# Early twists in films (open spoilers) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [June 4, 2012, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/early-twists-in-films-open-spoilers/624080 "2012-06-04T20:58:20Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Quartz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quartz/32/267_2.png) [@Quartz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quartz)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2012, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/early-twists-in-films-open-spoilers/624080/1 "2012-06-04T20:58:20Z")
We’re all familiar with twists at the end of films, but what about those near the start - say the first quarter of the film? I’m not talking about division points, though I expect the two will largely coincide, or standard tropes, like the death of the mentor character - e.g. Obi Wan in Star Wars - but scenes like the death of Steven Segal’s character in **Executive Decision**. ---
**Author:** ![GrandWino](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grandwino/32/67_2.png) [@GrandWino](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GrandWino)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2012, 8:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/early-twists-in-films-open-spoilers/624080/2 "2012-06-04T20:59:53Z")
\*\*\*Psycho \*\*\*is the first film that comes to mind. ---
**Author:** ![Morbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/morbo/32/389_2.png) [@Morbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morbo)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2012, 10:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/early-twists-in-films-open-spoilers/624080/3 "2012-06-04T22:32:10Z")
It was supposed to be a major surprise in **Terminator 2** when Arnold was revealed as the good Terminator. Too bad the trailers spoiled it. **Masquerade** had some major twists near the beginning, then a couple more long before the ending. I can think of lots of movies where a prominent actor gets killed in the beginning of the movie, basically making their role a cameo. The remake of **The Italian Job** , for example. ---
**Author:** ![Ethilrist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ethilrist/32/4604_2.png) [@Ethilrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ethilrist)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2012, 10:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/early-twists-in-films-open-spoilers/624080/4 "2012-06-04T22:34:30Z")
Clint Eastwood gets hanged during the opening credits for _Hang 'Em High_. This turns out to have been a poor choice of behavior for those what done it. ---
**Author:** ![Telemark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/telemark/32/372_2.png) [@Telemark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telemark)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2012, 2:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/early-twists-in-films-open-spoilers/624080/5 "2012-06-05T02:12:00Z")
> [@Bob Ducca](#): > > \*\*\*Psycho \*\*\*is the first film that comes to mind. That was mine, too. ---
**Author:** ![RealityChuck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/realitychuck/32/195_2.png) [@RealityChuck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RealityChuck)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2012, 2:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/early-twists-in-films-open-spoilers/624080/6 "2012-06-05T02:21:09Z")
**[Gambit](http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0060445/)** has a twist before the halfway point. After the exciting opening scene of **Raiders of the Lost Arc** , there’s a twist as Indy loses what he had taken. ---
**Author:** ![lawoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/35a633/32.png) [@lawoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lawoot)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2012, 8:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/early-twists-in-films-open-spoilers/624080/7 "2012-06-05T08:18:12Z")
Not so much a STORY twist, but an expectation twist, when one the best known (at the time) actors in the first Mission Impossible film (Emilio Estevez) gets offed within the first few minutes of the film. ---
**Author:** ![grude](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47774/32.png) [@grude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/grude)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2012, 10:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/early-twists-in-films-open-spoilers/624080/8 "2012-06-05T10:15:07Z")
> [@lawoot](#): > > Not so much a STORY twist, but an expectation twist, when one the best known (at the time) actors in the first Mission Impossible film (Emilio Estevez) gets offed within the first few minutes of the film. Similar twist in Quintet from 1979, the first thirty minutes of the movie establish that Paul Newman’s girlfriend is the first pregnant woman in a long time to wander the post apocalyptic wastes, then she gets killed and the film moves in a different direction. That was unexpected! I’m remembering a movie where the first thirty minutes made it seem like a coming of age buddy story until shockingly the one guy murders the other, it then flash forwards decades to a female investigator trying to find the by now prolific serial killer we saw in the opening.(the first part was the best part of the movie). ---
**Author:** ![tellyworth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/977dab/32.png) [@tellyworth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tellyworth)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2012, 10:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/early-twists-in-films-open-spoilers/624080/9 "2012-06-05T10:40:14Z")
It’s not really at the start, but From Dusk Till Dawn has quite a twist in the first half. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2012, 11:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/early-twists-in-films-open-spoilers/624080/10 "2012-06-05T11:30:23Z")
I hope I’m not the only one who was an A-V nerd in high school and thought the thread title meant you threaded the film wrong in the projector. ---
**Author:** ![amanset](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/8dc957/32.png) [@amanset](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/amanset)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2012, 12:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/early-twists-in-films-open-spoilers/624080/11 "2012-06-05T12:02:44Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > I hope I’m not the only one who was an A-V nerd in high school and thought the thread title meant you threaded the film wrong in the projector. Yes, because (plot) twists in film are such a rare and unusual concept, especially for someone that apparently loves his AV! Well done! ---
**Author:** ![bouv](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/bc8723/32.png) [@bouv](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bouv)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2012, 1:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/early-twists-in-films-open-spoilers/624080/12 "2012-06-05T13:01:39Z")
Similar to **Psycho** (and I’m guessing as sort of an homage to it,) Drew Barrymore was advertised as one of the stars of **Scream** , and she gets killed in the first five minutes. ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2012, 1:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/early-twists-in-films-open-spoilers/624080/13 "2012-06-05T13:08:26Z")
I came in to say Psycho, Scream, and From Dusk Til Dawn, but I see i don’t have to. Psycho may be the best example (imho, ymmv), certainly the earliest in a popular film that I can think of. Hitchcock tended to innovate, sometimes by invention, and other times by using something someone already did, but AH did it better. I’m curious about Psycho. Was it an AH invention or a swell adaptation of a previously done thing? ---
**Author:** ![Tapioca\_Dextrin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Tapioca\_Dextrin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tapioca_Dextrin)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2012, 1:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/early-twists-in-films-open-spoilers/624080/14 "2012-06-05T13:09:19Z")
**Deep Blue Sea** sets Sam Jackson up as the hero. Halfway through his rousing save the day spe\ ---
**Author:** ![RealityChuck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/realitychuck/32/195_2.png) [@RealityChuck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RealityChuck)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2012, 2:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/early-twists-in-films-open-spoilers/624080/15 "2012-06-05T14:32:17Z")
I’m pretty sure that **Psycho** was the first film where the major star (and main character of the film up to that point) was killed early. It was one reason why Hitchcock originally did not allow people to enter the theater after the first half hour. However, there are other mid-film twists that were earlier. In **[Laura](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laura_(1944_film))** (from 1944), the plot twist occurs about halfway through. Laura is the murder victim, but it turns out she’s alive ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2012, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/early-twists-in-films-open-spoilers/624080/16 "2012-06-05T17:38:57Z")
Yeah, **RC** , that’s the kind of trivia I was wondering. AH not the first, then. But maybe the first best (or best first). ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2012, 9:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/early-twists-in-films-open-spoilers/624080/17 "2012-06-05T21:50:48Z")
My understanding was that the opening to _Sunset Boulevard_ was considered a plot twist when it came out in that it told you how the movie was going to end. I don’t know if that fits with out current idea of a plot twist. ---
**Author:** ![TBG](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c89c15/32.png) [@TBG](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TBG)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2012, 10:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/early-twists-in-films-open-spoilers/624080/18 "2012-06-05T22:57:20Z")
> [@Morbo](#): > > It was supposed to be a major surprise in **Terminator 2** when Arnold was revealed as the good Terminator. Too bad the trailers spoiled it. Similarly, the liquid metal properties of the T-1000. The way the movie was put together, that would’ve been quite a twist, but the marketing for the movie was highly focused on all the CGI involved with all his morphing and such, so it didn’t work out that way. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2012, 12:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/early-twists-in-films-open-spoilers/624080/19 "2012-06-06T00:19:38Z")
> [@RealityChuck](#): > > **[Gambit](http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0060445/)** has a twist before the halfway point. And for bonus Michael Caine points, [Sleuth](http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0069281/) likewise has a major plot twist well before the halfway point: hired by a rich guy who’d get a big insurance check if heisted, our hero shrugs and dresses up like a cat burglar and goes climbing and makes it look like a break-in until his employer patiently explains that _yeah, this was never about stealing anything; I only ever just wanted to shoot you dead, while looking like a panicked homeowner who fired in self-defense. Bang._ ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2012, 12:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/early-twists-in-films-open-spoilers/624080/20 "2012-06-06T00:50:24Z")
> [@Morbo](#): > > It was supposed to be a major surprise in **Terminator 2** when Arnold was revealed as the good Terminator. Too bad the trailers spoiled it. Yeah, that’s one that it would be cool to see without knowing. I was only 12 or 13 when it came out, but everywhere you went, you heard about “Arnold being the hero Terminator” in that one. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/early-twists-in-films-open-spoilers/624080.md?page=2)