# Eat my shit George W. Bush **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 19, 2005, 2:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/eat-my-shit-george-w-bush/336237 "2005-12-19T02:07:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![bannerrefugee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/c68b51/32.png) [@bannerrefugee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bannerrefugee)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2005, 6:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/eat-my-shit-george-w-bush/336237/181 "2005-12-23T06:07:43Z")
> [@John Carter of Mars](#): > > Ohforshit’ssake…I’ll repeat myself, which seems to be necessary in this thread: Ohforshit’ssake…I’ll repeat myself, which seems to be necessary in this thread You fucking cheerleader ---
**Author:** ![John\_Carter\_of\_Mars](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/2bfe46/32.png) [@John\_Carter\_of\_Mars](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Carter_of_Mars)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2005, 6:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/eat-my-shit-george-w-bush/336237/182 "2005-12-23T06:26:57Z")
> [@bannerrefugee](#): > > You fucking cheerleader You’ve mis-identified me! Once, long ago, I enjoyed an evening with a fucking cheerleader, but I’m not one myself. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![kidchameleon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/898d66/32.png) [@kidchameleon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kidchameleon)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2005, 3:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/eat-my-shit-george-w-bush/336237/183 "2005-12-23T15:47:29Z")
> [@bannerrefugee](#): > > Bush should not have been in a place to run in 2004 because the 2000 election was stolen. Even if 2000 was ‘stolen’ why couldn’t he have run in 2004? ---
**Author:** ![asterion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/4da419/32.png) [@asterion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asterion)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2005, 4:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/eat-my-shit-george-w-bush/336237/184 "2005-12-23T16:08:32Z")
> [@kidchameleon](#): > > Even if 2000 was ‘stolen’ why couldn’t he have run in 2004? Well, you could question whether or not he’d get the nomination again, but otherwise I agree with your question. ---
**Author:** ![Lord\_Ashtar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ea924/32.png) [@Lord\_Ashtar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lord_Ashtar)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2005, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/eat-my-shit-george-w-bush/336237/185 "2005-12-23T17:26:26Z")
> [@bannerrefugee](#): > > Bush should not have been in a place to run in 2004 because the 2000 election was stolen. I propose a new rule, similar to Godwin’s Law, called the Law of the Y2K Election. The longer a Bush is teh suxx0rz thread goes on, the probability of someone mentioning the “stolen” presidential election of 2000 approaches infinity. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2005, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/eat-my-shit-george-w-bush/336237/186 "2005-12-23T17:34:06Z")
> [@John Carter of Mars](#): > > Again with the reading comprehension problems! I’ve backpedaled on…_NOTHING!_ > > I stand by this statement: My guess is that **the lefties on this board never played competitive sports**. When you’re on a sports team, you learn to lose, dislike it, but move on with your life. These whiners are gonna keep going until at least the 2008 elections. On behalf of the American people, I apologize. > In fact, I’m rather proud of it, now that I see how hard you and Joe have strained, twisted, paraphrased and misquoted in failed attempts to discredit it. No, you’re just full of shit. Lefties never played any competitive sports. If they did, they’d be good Americans(?). That’s what you’re saying, and it’s bullshit. It’s stupid. We ain’t gonna wait until 2008. I have MY sights set on 2006. For the first time in my life, I am gonna vote straight ticket Democrat with the following proviso. If the Democrat is one who supported Bush (Republican Lite), I am gonna vote Independent. Or Green Or Libertarian. Or Bullmoose if they ever come back. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Carter\_of\_Mars](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/2bfe46/32.png) [@John\_Carter\_of\_Mars](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Carter_of_Mars)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2005, 4:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/eat-my-shit-george-w-bush/336237/187 "2005-12-24T04:42:34Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > No, you’re just full of shit. Lefties never played any competitive sports. If they did, they’d be good Americans(?). That’s what you’re saying, and it’s bullshit. It’s stupid.\ What I’m saying is precisely this: _“My guess is that the lefties on this board never played competitive sports. When you’re on a sports team, you learn to lose, dislike it, but move on with your life.”_ Since y’all are such a bunch of whining, crybaby, sore losers I guess that you never played competitive sports. If you did, you failed to benefit from one of the lessons you should have learned from being on a sports team. Now, it will be Christmas Eve here in about an hour and 20 minutes, so to hell with this. Merry Christmas, Season’s Greetings, Happy Holidays, Peace on earth, good will toward men; whatever floats yer boat. ---
**Author:** ![bannerrefugee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/c68b51/32.png) [@bannerrefugee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bannerrefugee)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2005, 6:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/eat-my-shit-george-w-bush/336237/188 "2005-12-24T06:23:56Z")
> [@John Carter of Mars](#): > > You’ve mis-identified me! Once, long ago, I enjoyed an evening with a fucking cheerleader, but I’m not one myself. 😉 No I hit it on the head. The best you’ve done is fuck a cheerleeder. ---
**Author:** ![TheLoadedDog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/35a633/32.png) [@TheLoadedDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TheLoadedDog)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2005, 6:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/eat-my-shit-george-w-bush/336237/189 "2005-12-24T06:53:58Z")
I’m curious about this. How long was GWB’s televised address, and how many of similar addresses from various presidents (both Dem and Rep) has the average American participant to this thread been subjected to in their lifetimes to date? How many minutes, _really_ have you had to give over to this stuff? And how many thousands of sitcom hours have you seen? Please don’t take my above words as overly snippy (I know they look it), but I’m genuinely curious here at what seems to be one of those rare enormous cultural chasms between the US and countries like Australia. Is it an American “freedom” thing? “It’s my goddam right to watch whatever I want without the President interrupting it because that smacks of totalitarianism?” There is a similar wide rift of thought when Americans find out my country has compulsory voting, for example. Americans find that offensive. Australians think, “Meh, ten minutes every other year. Big deal.” Genuinely curious here. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Carter\_of\_Mars](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/2bfe46/32.png) [@John\_Carter\_of\_Mars](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Carter_of_Mars)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2005, 7:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/eat-my-shit-george-w-bush/336237/190 "2005-12-24T07:22:41Z")
> [@TheLoadedDog](#): > > Is it an American “freedom” thing? No. If it had been any politician other than Bush there’d have been no mention of this. The Brotherhood of Bush Bashers is not capable of letting _any_ action by Bush pass without complaint. No part of any show was missed, and I understand the message lasted about ten minutes. Other than at times of great catastrophe, these unscheduled addresses to the nation are not frequent. 99.99% of the American pubic is not at all concerned about this brief interruption of TV scheduling. The other .01% gripe about it on the Straight Dope message board. ---
**Author:** ![bannerrefugee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/c68b51/32.png) [@bannerrefugee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bannerrefugee)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2005, 7:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/eat-my-shit-george-w-bush/336237/191 "2005-12-25T07:23:22Z")
> [@John Carter of Mars](#): > > The other .01% gripe about it on the Straight Dope message board. The first 99.99 won’t waste their time to respond to you. ---
**Author:** ![lalaith](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/96bed5/32.png) [@lalaith](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lalaith)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2005, 8:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/eat-my-shit-george-w-bush/336237/192 "2005-12-25T08:33:31Z")
> [@TheLoadedDog](#): > > Please don’t take my above words as overly snippy (I know they look it), but I’m genuinely curious here at what seems to be one of those rare enormous cultural chasms between the US and countries like Australia. Is it an American “freedom” thing? “It’s my goddam right to watch whatever I want without the President interrupting it because that smacks of totalitarianism?” > [@John Carter of Mars](#): > > No. If it had been any politician other than Bush there’d have been no mention of this. The Brotherhood of Bush Bashers is not capable of letting _any_ action by Bush pass without complaint. Okay, Um… When I was in junior high, the President interrupted my favorite TV show. The next day at school we had to do skits (planned in advance). My group had decided to be Greek gods. We were standing around talking before our skit started and it turned out that it wasn’t just my favorite TV show. We were all so mad at the President that then and there we changed our skit. We grabbed one of our friends out of the class and had him be the President giving a speech. Then I as Athena, Goddess of War, assassinated him with my spear. Don’t interrupt my TV shows. That’s what the news hour is for. ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2005, 4:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/eat-my-shit-george-w-bush/336237/193 "2005-12-25T16:55:54Z")
> [@TheLoadedDog](#): > > Americans find that offensive. Australians think, “Meh, ten minutes every other year. Big deal.” > > Genuinely curious here. I don’t particularly care about the interruption, but I suspect that a good proportion of Americans would be more troubled by the interruption than by the fact that it contained only complete bullshit. A ten minute infomercial would have been more accurate and would have been subject to more regulations regarding truth-content. I would prefer to see _more_ compulsory Presidential speeches on television. Say 30 minutes every week - to include an open question portion, with regular people being given the opportunity to ask questions that the President is required to answer. The press is supposed to do this for us, but continue to lack the cajones to get answers from him in any meaningful way. ---
**Author:** ![Lord\_Ashtar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ea924/32.png) [@Lord\_Ashtar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lord_Ashtar)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2005, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/eat-my-shit-george-w-bush/336237/194 "2005-12-27T20:23:50Z")
> [@lalaith](#): > > Okay, > > Um… > > When I was in junior high, the President interrupted my favorite TV show. > > The next day at school we had to do skits (planned in advance). My group had decided to be Greek gods. We were standing around talking before our skit started and it turned out that it wasn’t just my favorite TV show. > > We were all so mad at the President that then and there we changed our skit. We grabbed one of our friends out of the class and had him be the President giving a speech. > > Then I as Athena, Goddess of War, assassinated him with my spear. > Don’t interrupt my TV shows. That’s what the news hour is for. I expect that kind of reaction from an 8th grader, not from grown adults. ---
**Author:** ![bup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/6bbea6/32.png) [@bup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bup)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2005, 9:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/eat-my-shit-george-w-bush/336237/195 "2005-12-27T21:19:51Z")
> [@Weirddave](#): > > There is no PROOF, no EVIDENCE. Until you provide that, the whole thing is just another crackpot conspiracy theory. Jesus, it’s amazing how difficult folks like you seem to find that simple concept. I’ll tell you what. You’ve got all of your blogs, all of your partisan outrage to look at. Is there anything in all of that that you could take into a court of law and get a conviction with? Anything at all? The answer is no. All your partisan whining is just so much pissing against the wind without that. When come back bring facts. I hope you had a Merry Christmas, **WeirdDave**. I first got into this thread because you compared exit polling to the Bible Code, saying they had equal merit, and that exit polling had no scientific value. I have called you on that, supplying plenty of PhD’s who contend exit polls have scientific merit. You keep making it into an argument that there was fraud in the 2004 election. **STOP IT**. PLEASE. Exit polls have scientific merit. I have brought cites. You dismiss them as ‘biased,’ although they are signed onto by members of academia. It’s time for you to bring cites that exit polls have no validity. **That’s it**. I don’t want to hear any other arguments, or accusations that I’m loony and accusing anybody of fraud. Provide evidence for **your assertion** that exit polls are not scientifically valid. Here’s one more cite. [Knock these people down](http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:Mj6ZiPQRvDEJ:electionarchive.org/ucvAnalysis/US/Exit_Polls_2004_Edison-Mitofsky.pdf+2004+discrepancy+statistics+analysis&hl=en) - either with cites, or just hope that we take your word over theirs. ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2005, 10:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/eat-my-shit-george-w-bush/336237/196 "2005-12-28T10:12:43Z")
Here’s the [Washington Post](http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A64906-2004Nov20.html?sub=AR) story on exit polls, which seems to be slightly more nuanced than the hysterical ‘The election was stolen!’ camp is willing to admit… > [@](#): > > It seems clear now that the 2004 exit polls were rife with problems, most of them small but none trivial. Skewed samples, technical glitches and a woefully inept question that included the undefined term “moral values” in a list of concrete issues all combined to give exit polling its third black eye in as many elections. > … > It’s hardly unexpected news that the exit polls were modestly off; exit polls are never exactly right. **The networks’ 1992 national exit poll overstated Democrat Bill Clinton’s advantage by 2.5 percentage points, about the same as the Kerry skew.** But Clinton won, so it didn’t create a stir. > … > On election night in 1988, we relied on the ABC News exit poll to characterize how demographic subgroups and political constituencies had voted. One problem: **The exit poll found the race to be a dead heat, even though Democrat Michael Dukakis lost the popular vote by seven percentage points to Dubya’s father.** > … > Mitofsky, the veteran pollster who co-directed this year’s exit surveys, fears that Republican voters refused to be interviewed in disproportionately higher numbers, thus skewing the results. Perhaps they were busier than Democrats and didn’t have time to be interviewed. Perhaps they disliked the media’s coverage of Bush, and showed it by snubbing poll interviewers. **Whatever the reason, Mitofsky warned the networks about the apparent Democratic bias mid-afternoon on Election Day – a caution “they chose to ignore,”** he told Terence Smith on PBS > … > Historically, exit polls have been more likely to err on the side of Democratic candidates, though this bias is usually small. In 2000, for example, the exit polls overstated Democrat Al Gore’s share of the vote by more than one percentage point in about 20 states, while inflating Bush’s share in just 10 states. And of course, there are those in the more excitable wing of the Republican party that accuse Democrats of rigging the exit polls to get out the vote and suppress the Republican vote. This theory has the benefit of the one that says Bush rigged the election - there is no evidence either for or against it, so it can be the bogeyman in the room. ---
**Author:** ![Weirddave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/919ad9/32.png) [@Weirddave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Weirddave)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2005, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/eat-my-shit-george-w-bush/336237/197 "2005-12-28T19:52:09Z")
Bup, I had a fine Xmas, I hope you did as well. I see Sam has linked a brilliant article (from a liberal paper no less) that exactly highlights many of the things that I have been saying here, but I would like to point out one other thing as well. The link you provided in your last post is simply a report by one group of “experts” (and one with a partisan leaning as well, I believe we covered this already) disagreeing with the conclusions of another group of “experts” over the 2004 exit polls. If the fact that two groups of learned people can take the same data, and each can reach different conclusions about the way to interpret that data doesn’t conclusively demonstrate that exit polls are more art than science, then I don’t know what will. I also don’t understand your sudden desire to distance yourself from election fraud angle unless it’s a simple need to get away from a point your are losing badly on. If your contention is not that the difference between the exit polls and the results indicates voter fraud, then what exactly is your point? ---
**Author:** ![rjung](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/45deac/32.png) [@rjung](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rjung)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2005, 1:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/eat-my-shit-george-w-bush/336237/198 "2005-12-29T01:43:34Z")
> [@Weirddave](#): > > (from a liberal paper no less) **Dave,** you think anything left of the _Washington Times_ is liberal… ---
**Author:** ![Weirddave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/919ad9/32.png) [@Weirddave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Weirddave)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2005, 1:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/eat-my-shit-george-w-bush/336237/199 "2005-12-29T01:57:42Z")
> [@rjung](#): > > **Dave,** you think anything left of the _Washington Times_ is liberal… The fact that everything is left of the _Washington Times_ doesn’t meant that the _Post_ isn’t a liberal paper. Personally, I read neither, but at least in DC you can usually figure out what the truth is by averaging the two papers. 🆒 ---
**Author:** ![bannerrefugee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/c68b51/32.png) [@bannerrefugee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bannerrefugee)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2006, 4:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/eat-my-shit-george-w-bush/336237/200 "2006-01-01T04:57:56Z")
[QUOTE=Lord Ashtar] I propose a new rule, similar to Godwin’s Law, called the Law of the Y2K Election. QUOTE] I propose a similar law called Dimwit’s law. Every time someone mentions Godwin’s law they are a Dimwit. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/eat-my-shit-george-w-bush/336237.md?page=9) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/eat-my-shit-george-w-bush/336237.md?page=11)