Way back in the summer of 1997, I went to the National Fire Academy for a just-released course which had been jointly developed by the USFA and the US DOJ. It was put together in response to a number of incidents including the WTC bombing, an ALF set fire at Michigan State University, the Atlanta family planning clinic and gay bar bombings, and the Murrah building bombing, along with 20 other significant occurrances listed in the first few pages of the student manual.
Here is the US Department of Justice definition for terrorism:
[QUOTE=Miller]
Anyone who uses the words “oppressed” and “enslaved” when talking about lab rats has no basis at all for complaining about the use of the word “terrorism” when talking about the ELF.
On the other hand, anyone who uses the word “problematize” needs to be taken out and shot, so we should keep the above in its proper perspective.
MILLER- So my word choice negates any basis for complaint? And seals my doom at the hands of cryptofacists?
Since your complaint is rooted in word choice, yes, it does. Your initial complaint, as near as meaning can be salvaged from the incomprehensible wreckage of your posts, is that terrorism is a ridiculous hyperbole. The accuracy of this statement aside, the fact that you framed it (such as it was) in terms of equal-if-not-greater hyperbole suggests that you are not mentally or emotionally capable of accurately judging the severity of the circumstances in question.
In other words, anyone who talks about animals being slaves with any sort of seriousness is such an idiot you can pretty much discount anything else he has to say.
Chill out, Wavy Gravy. The closest thing to a cryptofascist in this thread is Updike, and it’s not so much that he’s cryptic, he just expresses himself poorly.
MILLER- My apologies for not writing to the degree of clarity necessary for you.
My posts are indeed wreckage. So, for the record, my complaint/pit- The use by the aforementioned groups of the term ‘ecoterrorist’ to discribe their activities ties them linguistically, therefor ideologically, to terror. The word “Sabotage” could applied at least to some of the actions here to for described; and would not tie these groups to terror as the M.O., but change through direct action with personal responsibilty. Not hiding, not terrorising. As I said in multiple posts- Do not support these groups or condone their actions, or violence as a positive tool for social change.
In addition to this idea, there is the idea expressed herein that the word ‘terrorist’ is being bandied about quite liberally these days. That is the hyperbolic part. Kind of like <snip>are not mentally or emotionally capable of accurately judging the severity of the circumstances in question.</snip>? Thas’ a big claim mister. Put it in a frame.
In regard to animal slavery- that is a post all on it’s own, no?
I am sorry about my lack of written clarity. This is the first message board I have particpated in. I will attempt to be more lucid in future postings.
You won’t. Neither will you for the rest of us. Stop digging the hole.
Seems we’re getting somewhere.
So when is your dictionary coming out? We need to have access to the definitions of these words. Or does the definition change too fast for publication?
Your freshman English and Social Sciences professors should be punched in the tit.
No, the bolded part is hyperbolic. In fact the OP should be bolded, IMO.
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I see your “…Rats of NIHM” and raise you “The Plague Dogs” by Richard Adams!
> I’ll see your “Dogs” and raise you with an “Animal farm”
But are either of these books legitimate cites about the treatment of research lab animals?
> I think it will be hard to find balenced texts- bias too prevelent. You could ask the people who test stuff and they would justify their actions, same with activists.
Sort of kidding with NIHM…
**Do you still maintain that ELF & ALF are not terrorist? **
Forget the semantics, do you still maintain these nuts are not terrorists?
It is morons like this that allow the Bushes & Cheneys of the world to deride all environmental actions and tear apart the acts that have started cleaning up America.
They have done more harm to good honest groups like the Humane Society than anyone short of a Cock Fighter.
In the USA, the Green party is treated as a fringe nut job party because the Right Wing of the Republican Party and the Irresponsible Corporations that prefer to pollute to maintain a high profit Margin use these extremist against legitimate groups.
