# Ed Schultz is an asshole **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 13, 2014, 1:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ed-schultz-is-an-asshole/688345 "2014-05-13T13:31:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2014, 4:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ed-schultz-is-an-asshole/688345/21 "2014-05-13T16:12:46Z")
Ed is an asshole, no doubt. But he’s one of the better assholes. If he did say this it was his usual mindless blathering. ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2014, 4:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ed-schultz-is-an-asshole/688345/22 "2014-05-13T16:14:40Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > That’s not Fox’ fault. If you want things to be taken in context, you shouldn’t tweet them. I’m with **Bricker** on this. Twitter is often used to engage in ongoing conversations, similar to this message board, and if the individual tweet that you’re criticizing is part of an ongoing conversation, and the tone or meaning of the tweet changes when removed from its conversational context, then you have a responsibility to provide the full context. I will say, though, that Twitter users should recognize that, because each tweet constitutes a discrete post, they need to be careful about wording. It’s one reason, among many, that i don’t use Twitter. As for Ed Schultz, i’d never even heard of him before this thread. The only time i watch any of the 24-hour “news” networks is when i’m on the cardio machines at the gym and, to be honest, while they differ in their politics, they all seem just about as bad as each other when it comes to news values and the quality of reporting and analysis. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2014, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ed-schultz-is-an-asshole/688345/23 "2014-05-13T16:23:56Z")
This wasn’t part of an ongoing conversation, though. Assuming Breitbart is telling the truth, there wasn’t anything about Gohmert posted until half an hour _later_. ETA: I’m not really sure where Fox came into this since they weren’t cited in the OP or anywhere else, as far as I can tell. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2014, 4:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ed-schultz-is-an-asshole/688345/24 "2014-05-13T16:24:08Z")
I will say my biggest reaction to reading the first part of this thread was… _Wait… Reagan’s Secretary of State has a Twitter account? He must be 100 years old!_ ---
**Author:** ![pulykamell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pulykamell/32/3166_2.png) [@pulykamell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pulykamell)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2014, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ed-schultz-is-an-asshole/688345/25 "2014-05-13T16:38:56Z")
> [@Inner\_Stickler](#): > > Well, I think the point is that it’s dumb and more than slightly offensive to say that gay people are acting like nazi stormtroopers when historically, actual nazi stormtroopers treated them worse than anyone else. I agree, badly worded. Ah, I didn’t see that context on the linked-to image. That makes more sense. I didn’t realize it was in response to a tweet basically saying gay people are acting like Nazis. :smack: Ah, it’s in the quote at the bottom of the post I was replying to. I glossed right over it. In that case, yeah, stupid thing to get upset about. I’m not a fan of Ed Schultz, but the context is important here. Still, one of those things you’ve got be wary of with social media. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2014, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ed-schultz-is-an-asshole/688345/26 "2014-05-13T16:39:54Z")
[Here’s](http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/ed-schultz-holocaust-jews-homosexuals) some possible clarification. From the link (bolding mine): > [@](#): > > In a floor speech last week, Gohmert complained that opponents of same-sex marriage have been labeled “haters.” He said Nazis also gave those they persecuted similar labels. > > When Schultz addressed Gohmert’s comments on-air, he used identical language to the deleted tweet and cited figures from the Holocaust Memorial Museum. > > “Louie is a little short on his Nazi history. **Gay people were really the ones being persecuted in Hitler’s Germany, according to the United States Holocaust Museum** ,” Schultz said. “Between 5,000 and 15,000 gay men were interned in concentration camps in Nazi Germany. These prisoners were marked by pink triangle badges. According to many survivor accounts, homosexuals were among the most abused groups in the camps.” > > “If Louie Gohmert thinks he’s being persecuted the same way the Jews were being persecuted, he can keep on pretending,” Schultz continued. In short, for some reason he or his staff snipped part of his on-air quote (that was perfectly reasonable in context) and tweeted it. Looks bad alone, but it was fine in context. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2014, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ed-schultz-is-an-asshole/688345/27 "2014-05-13T16:43:18Z")
I think at this point we can all agree that there was nothing wrong with what Schultz said, and he’s still an asshole. ---
**Author:** ![pulykamell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pulykamell/32/3166_2.png) [@pulykamell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pulykamell)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2014, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ed-schultz-is-an-asshole/688345/28 "2014-05-13T16:45:49Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > This wasn’t part of an ongoing conversation, though. Assuming Breitbart is telling the truth, there wasn’t anything about Gohmert posted until half an hour _later_. OK, so now I’m thoroughly confused. There was no immediate context? That is, it _wasn’t_ a reply to another tweet or something? So it was more like he was listening to someone on TV/radio comparing gays to Nazis, and then he tweeted this in response, without thinking about how the missing context might color the interpretation of his comment? Weird slip on his part, then. ETA: Never mind. I see it’s elucidated two posts above. ---
**Author:** ![Askthepizzaguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askthepizzaguy/32/9405_2.png) [@Askthepizzaguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askthepizzaguy)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2014, 6:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ed-schultz-is-an-asshole/688345/29 "2014-05-13T18:58:49Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > I think at this point we can all agree that there was nothing wrong with what Schultz said, and he’s still an asshole. Correct on both counts. Pit thread over, lock it up. New thread suggestion: Why Ed Schultz is still an asshole. ---
**Author:** ![samclem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a9a28c/32.png) [@samclem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/samclem)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2014, 3:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ed-schultz-is-an-asshole/688345/30 "2014-05-14T03:56:25Z")
At least Schultz is less of an asshole than Gomert. ---
**Author:** ![Ambivalid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a5b964/32.png) [@Ambivalid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ambivalid)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2014, 4:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ed-schultz-is-an-asshole/688345/31 "2014-05-14T04:02:52Z")
Ed Schultz might be an asshole but he’s an asshole _for the people_, dammit! 🆒 ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2014, 1:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ed-schultz-is-an-asshole/688345/32 "2014-05-14T13:49:56Z")
> [@](#): > > The question now is: Will the left call Schultz on his behavior? Or will they sweep it under the rug as they so often do for liberals? Dear TPNN: _why do you think most liberals, when seeing this, thought “no fucking way?”_ Here, lemme answer that - it’s because _you guys have a consistent track record of pulling this shit!_ Context is apparently a four-letter word to those on the right. ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2014, 2:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ed-schultz-is-an-asshole/688345/33 "2014-05-14T14:16:09Z")
> [@Askthepizzaguy](#): > > New thread suggestion: Why Ed Schultz is still an asshole. I would be interested in that thread because I’m not familiar with Schultz and so far based on this thread he doesn’t seem to be one. ---
**Author:** ![Sitnam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Sitnam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sitnam)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2014, 3:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ed-schultz-is-an-asshole/688345/34 "2014-05-14T15:23:52Z")
nm… ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2014, 10:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ed-schultz-is-an-asshole/688345/35 "2014-05-14T22:39:22Z")
> [@Inner\_Stickler](#): > > I would be interested in that thread because I’m not familiar with Schultz and so far based on this thread he doesn’t seem to be one. He’s a loud and annoying blowhard. Being a blowhard whose political views I share doesn’t mean he’s less of an asshole. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2014, 11:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ed-schultz-is-an-asshole/688345/36 "2014-05-14T23:31:50Z")
You got some sort of problem with loud and annoying, pencil neck? One of those liberals who sew leather patches on their Goodwill sports coats and use lilac water for aftershave? Tell me you wouldn’t pay good money to see a Steel Cage Death Match with him and Sean Hannity. ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2014, 11:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ed-schultz-is-an-asshole/688345/37 "2014-05-14T23:42:38Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > I will say my biggest reaction to reading the first part of this thread was… > > _Wait… Reagan’s Secretary of State has a Twitter account? He must be 100 years old!_ Shit, even Pope Frank’s got one. And George Schultz is only 94. In the prime of life, he is. Youthful, even, for a Republican. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2014, 11:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ed-schultz-is-an-asshole/688345/38 "2014-05-14T23:44:38Z")
They’re all too old. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2014, 2:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ed-schultz-is-an-asshole/688345/39 "2014-05-15T02:19:28Z")
To the Carousel with them all! ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2014, 3:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ed-schultz-is-an-asshole/688345/40 "2014-05-15T03:05:51Z")
> [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > Dear TPNN: _why do you think most liberals, when seeing this, thought “no fucking way?”_ Here, lemme answer that - it’s because _you guys have a consistent track record of pulling this shit!_ Context is apparently a four-letter word to those on the right. They don’t. They knew that would be the response, anticipated it, and poisoned the well. Now any of the faithful reading their news will instantly discount counterarguments. It’s just liberals being hypocrites–they can’t possibly have a real point. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ed-schultz-is-an-asshole/688345.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ed-schultz-is-an-asshole/688345.md?page=3)