# Education, Middle-class identification, and those who claimno religion in Politics. This might sur **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [August 3, 2018, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/education-middle-class-identification-and-those-who-claimno-religion-in-politics-this-might-sur/819068 "2018-08-03T20:13:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Dangerosa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/22d042/32.png) [@Dangerosa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dangerosa)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2018, 5:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/education-middle-class-identification-and-those-who-claimno-religion-in-politics-this-might-sur/819068/81 "2018-08-09T17:00:59Z")
> [@Skywatcher](#): > > A _2007_ article on the _2004_ election?! Its at least more current than “The GOP : The party that freed the slaves!” ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2018, 5:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/education-middle-class-identification-and-those-who-claimno-religion-in-politics-this-might-sur/819068/82 "2018-08-10T05:58:46Z")
> [@Silver\_lining](#): > > Hello there. I have a life, family, a sometimes busy job that requires travel, too many meetings with executives, and weekend plans. **Sorry if I don’t post every day.** Pish tosh, old boy, no apologies necessary. Not posting every day is the only way you actually live up to your screen name. ---
**Author:** ![Exapno\_Mapcase](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/exapno_mapcase/32/1051_2.png) [@Exapno\_Mapcase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Exapno_Mapcase)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2018, 3:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/education-middle-class-identification-and-those-who-claimno-religion-in-politics-this-might-sur/819068/83 "2018-08-10T15:59:05Z")
[Koch brothers polling reveals conservative positions](https://theintercept.com/2018/08/09/koch-brothers-health-care-free-college/). ```auto (Ranked by “Very Effective Solution.”) Very Effective Solution Somewhat Effective Solution Not a Solution at All Don’t Know Preparing ex-offenders to re-enter society as law-abiding and productive citizens 39% 45% 8% 8% Ending the cronyism that leads to corporate welfare 37% 35% 10% 18% Ending harsh sentences for nonviolent, petty crimes 37% 40% 15% 8% Government-paid college tuition 35% 31% 26% 8% A $15 minimum wage 35% 30% 28% 6% Freer trade and the open exchange of goods and services 34% 44% 9% 13% More regulation of Wall Street 33% 36% 15% 15% Increasing government assistance for child care 30% 39% 21% 9% ``` We know these are conservative positions because the ones ranked even higher are definitely conservative (although the questions are heavily biased in their wording to make them so). What’s fascinating is how little the “Not a Solution at All” share goes up when these distinctly liberal positions are included. BTW, I couldn’t find any mention of this on Gateway Pundit. Someone will need to tell Silver Living about this. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2018, 4:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/education-middle-class-identification-and-those-who-claimno-religion-in-politics-this-might-sur/819068/84 "2018-08-10T16:06:24Z")
That works better if you formatted it in something like Notepad first. ```auto (Ranked by “Very Effective Solution.”) Very Effective Solution Somewhat Effective Solution Not a Solution at All Don’t Know Preparing ex-offenders to re-enter society as law-abiding and productive citizens 39% 45% 8% 8% Ending the cronyism that leads to corporate welfare 37% 35% 10% 18% Ending harsh sentences for nonviolent, petty crimes 37% 40% 15% 8% Government-paid college tuition 35% 31% 26% 8% A $15 minimum wage 35% 30% 28% 6% Freer trade and the open exchange of goods and services 34% 44% 9% 13% More regulation of Wall Street 33% 36% 15% 15% Increasing government assistance for child care 30% 39% 21% 9% ``` ---
**Author:** ![glee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b5a626/32.png) [@glee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/glee)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2018, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/education-middle-class-identification-and-those-who-claimno-religion-in-politics-this-might-sur/819068/85 "2018-08-10T16:32:57Z")
I can’t understand why you are all having so much difficulty with Silver lining’s post. Using some very old data, he proves that Trump won the popular vote because Democrats education class religion Thank you. :smack:😕:eek: ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2018, 5:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/education-middle-class-identification-and-those-who-claimno-religion-in-politics-this-might-sur/819068/86 "2018-08-10T17:00:55Z")
It’s all so sur. ---
**Author:** ![Exapno\_Mapcase](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/exapno_mapcase/32/1051_2.png) [@Exapno\_Mapcase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Exapno_Mapcase)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2018, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/education-middle-class-identification-and-those-who-claimno-religion-in-politics-this-might-sur/819068/87 "2018-08-10T19:15:01Z")
> [@Skywatcher](#): > > That works better if you formatted it in something like Notepad first. I refuse on principle to put more effort into my posts in these threads than Silver lining does. ---
**Author:** ![Silver\_lining](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aca169/32.png) [@Silver\_lining](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Silver_lining)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2018, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/education-middle-class-identification-and-those-who-claimno-religion-in-politics-this-might-sur/819068/88 "2018-08-11T17:58:51Z")
> [@Exapno\_Mapcase](#): > > I refuse on principle to put more effort into my posts in these threads than Silver lining does. Well, just read this and you’ll get it. > **[GOP gained ground in middle-class communities in 2016](https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2016/12/08/gop-gained-ground-in-middle-class-communities-in-2016/)** > > Although many middle-class areas voted for Barack Obama in 2008, they overwhelmingly favored Donald Trump in 2016, a shift that was a key to his victory. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2018, 7:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/education-middle-class-identification-and-those-who-claimno-religion-in-politics-this-might-sur/819068/89 "2018-08-11T19:28:37Z")
Yet [Democratic turnout for House primaries was up last month](http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2018/07/27/turnout-in-this-years-u-s-house-primaries-is-up-especially-on-the-democratic-side/). Surely some of those voters are middle-class. ---
**Author:** ![Exapno\_Mapcase](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/exapno_mapcase/32/1051_2.png) [@Exapno\_Mapcase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Exapno_Mapcase)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2018, 10:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/education-middle-class-identification-and-those-who-claimno-religion-in-politics-this-might-sur/819068/90 "2018-08-11T22:27:22Z")
> [@Silver\_lining](#): > > Well, just read this and you’ll get it. > > [GOP gained ground in middle-class areas in 2016 | Pew Research Center](http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/12/08/gop-gained-ground-in-middle-class-communities-in-2016/) That’s nice. Since you never bothered to tell us in your OP what significance your claims have for the 2018 elections or anything else, what are we supposed to “get” from this other set of facts that everybody also already knows? ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2018, 3:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/education-middle-class-identification-and-those-who-claimno-religion-in-politics-this-might-sur/819068/91 "2018-08-12T03:40:01Z")
Don’t spoil the sur! ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2018, 11:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/education-middle-class-identification-and-those-who-claimno-religion-in-politics-this-might-sur/819068/92 "2018-08-12T11:56:49Z")
Big Sur. Bigly. Yuge. Even _bolshoi_. ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2018, 1:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/education-middle-class-identification-and-those-who-claimno-religion-in-politics-this-might-sur/819068/93 "2018-08-12T13:45:47Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Don’t spoil the sur! I think the sur is those who claimno religion. ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2018, 2:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/education-middle-class-identification-and-those-who-claimno-religion-in-politics-this-might-sur/819068/94 "2018-08-12T14:06:46Z")
Is there any reason for this thread? No one seems to be debating properly. Or at all, really. ---
**Author:** ![Bone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bone/32/407_2.png) [@Bone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bone)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2018, 3:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/education-middle-class-identification-and-those-who-claimno-religion-in-politics-this-might-sur/819068/95 "2018-08-12T15:13:58Z")
Sometimes a purpose can solely to serve as a warning to others. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2018, 3:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/education-middle-class-identification-and-those-who-claimno-religion-in-politics-this-might-sur/819068/96 "2018-08-12T15:36:56Z")
> [@Ann\_Hedonia](#): > > I think the sur is those who claimno religion. I’m waiting for the OP’s next thread, which I imagine might prise me. ---
**Author:** ![BeepKillBeep](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/9e8a1a/32.png) [@BeepKillBeep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BeepKillBeep)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2018, 3:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/education-middle-class-identification-and-those-who-claimno-religion-in-politics-this-might-sur/819068/97 "2018-08-12T15:45:41Z")
> [@El\_Kabong](#): > > I’m waiting for the OP’s next thread, which I imagine might prise me. Ok that was funny! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2018, 4:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/education-middle-class-identification-and-those-who-claimno-religion-in-politics-this-might-sur/819068/98 "2018-08-12T16:13:19Z")
> [@Jonathan\_Chance](#): > > Is there any reason for this thread? No one seems to be debating properly. > > Or at all, really. But isn’t that the perfect paradigm of post-rational American politics? ---
**Author:** ![Exapno\_Mapcase](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/exapno_mapcase/32/1051_2.png) [@Exapno\_Mapcase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Exapno_Mapcase)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2018, 5:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/education-middle-class-identification-and-those-who-claimno-religion-in-politics-this-might-sur/819068/99 "2018-08-12T17:06:20Z")
> [@Bone](#): > > Sometimes a purpose can solely to serve as a warning to others. It doesn’t help when a “moderator” uses the grammar of a Russian bot. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2018, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/education-middle-class-identification-and-those-who-claimno-religion-in-politics-this-might-sur/819068/100 "2018-08-12T17:27:20Z")
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