# Edwards = lying douchebag **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 6, 2004, 4:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/edwards-lying-douchebag/267806 "2004-10-06T04:25:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 11\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2004, 7:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/edwards-lying-douchebag/267806/61 "2004-10-06T19:22:45Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > The charge of lying is proven conclusively, you need at least three such instances to bring a charge of douchebagitude. How about [this thread](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=278596&page=1&pp=50) where he deliberately lied in the OP about what Kerry said, and then, precisely as he did in this thread, backpedaled faster than little Suzie’s bike approaching a cliff. Or [This thread](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=279409) where he once again misstates the position of his “opposition” to try and make a point. Including this trainwreck of an OP, that’s three. I officially make a Motion for a Finding of Douchebagitude. ---
**Author:** ![Mtgman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b5a626/32.png) [@Mtgman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mtgman)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2004, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/edwards-lying-douchebag/267806/62 "2004-10-06T19:27:27Z")
> [@Hamlet](#): > > Including this trainwreck of an OP, that’s three. I officially make a Motion for a Finding of Douchebagitude. It seems you already have a second for that motion. > [@duffer](#): > > I’m a douchebag. Enjoy, Steven ---
**Author:** ![Avenger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9de0a6/32.png) [@Avenger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Avenger)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2004, 7:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/edwards-lying-douchebag/267806/63 "2004-10-06T19:33:57Z")
This thread is pure gold **Duffer**. Can I subscribe to your mailing list in order to be kept fully appraised of any future threads that you may post 😃 ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2004, 8:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/edwards-lying-douchebag/267806/64 "2004-10-06T20:48:53Z")
Folks, ease off, willyas? **Duffer** was wrong, he knows it, he’s admitted it. Perhaps he was not particularly gracious, but it’s not easy to back off sometimes. I still struggle with it, and I’ve actually made an effort at it for years. He’s embarassed and having to face that he screwed up. He’s faced up to it. Case (and hopefully thread) closed. Thanks, **Duffer**. Ya done good. ---
**Author:** ![threemae](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/5f9b8f/32.png) [@threemae](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/threemae)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2004, 9:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/edwards-lying-douchebag/267806/65 "2004-10-06T21:07:29Z")
> [@andros](#): > > Folks, ease off, willyas? **Duffer** was wrong, he knows it, he’s admitted it… > > Thanks, **Duffer**. Ya done good. Someone help me, I’m getting that warm fuzzy feeling all over. Maybe I’ll go start my own GD thread about drug pricing… ---
**Author:** ![Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e19adc/32.png) [@Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2004, 9:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/edwards-lying-douchebag/267806/66 "2004-10-06T21:23:38Z")
Can I make a point of order? First: this whole ‘re-importation’ thing is a smokescreen. Canada has quite a few manufacturing plants for drugs of all kinds (there’s a massive Pfizer pfactory about pfive minutes pfrom where my pfolks live). It just comes down to Canada Health Service (or whatever it’s called) negotiating price controls on a federal level-- something the U.S. is unwilling to do. Second: lots of drugs are actually _researched_ in Canada. Last time I counted there were 28 bigass pharmaceutical/biotech companies in Montreal, like Pfizer, Merck Frosst, Novartis, etc… So don’t go thinking that the only place that does R&D is the U.S. Third: One of the largest costs for any drug company in the U.S. is advertising. You folks who live in the U.S. know how prevalent TV commercials are for all sorts of drugs. Up north, the CRTC has very strict rules about drug ads. To whit: an ad can either mention the name of the drug, or the condition it treats, but not both (so we have all sorts of Viagra ads with a guy dancing around, but nowhere does it say what Viagra does). We also have many fewer drug ads-- on a typical night of Canadian TV, you’ll probably get 5 ads TOTAL for drugs. I think here in NYC, you get 5 drug ads during every commercial break. ---
**Author:** ![glee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b5a626/32.png) [@glee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/glee)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2004, 9:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/edwards-lying-douchebag/267806/67 "2004-10-06T21:52:58Z")
> [@andros](#): > > Folks, ease off, willyas? **Duffer** was wrong, he knows it, he’s admitted it. > > Perhaps he was not particularly gracious, but it’s not easy to back off sometimes. I still struggle with it, and I’ve actually made an effort at it for years. > > He’s embarassed and having to face that he screwed up. He’s faced up to it. Case (and hopefully thread) closed. Although I agree with you that it’s tough to admit you’re wrong, it would be much better not to spray invective around in the first place, then argue for a while before ‘mumbling’ something resembling an apology. Here’s a summary: 1. Duffer’s slurs > [@duffer](#): > > Edwards = lying douchebag > > So, Mr. Edwards, what exactly will you do to lift the ban on Canadian drugs? > What a tool. So it’s not just a question of a ‘lie’. Let’s insult the man too. 1. The ‘evidence’ for the slurs > [@duffer](#): > > I suspect the law only applies to mail-order for international drugs. No research then to support the accusations. 1. The first ‘apology’ > [@duffer](#): > > Maybe it would have been better to use less inflammatory words in the OP? Just going by the left-wing rules of political discourse. **Would** it have been better? Duffer doesn’t say. And of course it’s time to insult all ‘left-wingers’. Some ‘apology’. :rolleyes: 1. The self-contradictory ‘argument’ > [@duffer](#): > > The point was, Edwards tried to get the sound bite out there that getting drugs from Canada was illegal and Bush wanted to keep it that way. And that statement was patently false. > … > To those that don’t know, you can buy drugs in Canada on a script written by a US doctor. Of course Edwards is still ‘lying’. Unless you know the difference between buying drugs from Canada, and buying drugs in Canada. Which Duffer clearly doesn’t. 1. The astonishment when your own lying insults are accurately returned… > [@lissener](#): > > duffer is a lying douchebag. > [@duffer](#): > > As always, a reasoned response. No, just a fact backed with evidence. 1. The continuing spraying of abuse > [@duffer](#): > > Sorry left-wingers, it’s fact. > > You lefties are becoming more amusing than annoying the closer we get to election day. 1. The laughable attempts to prove an ‘apology’ > [@duffer](#): > > I also said the wording of the OP was harsh. I’d apologize again, but it won’t do any good. No, you said **maybe** it would have been better not to use such language. Still no apology to Edwards. No apology to left-wingers. 1. The logic of the man exposed > [@duffer](#): > > The way I understood his statement was that ANY form of buying drugs in Canada was illegal. As pointed out in another post, apparently it is, in fact, illegal. Learn something new everyday. I was going by what actually happens, and it seems the Custom’s agents are turning a semi-blind eye to it. As I’ve never had to do it and it’s generally looked upon, at least here, as legal, well maybe you can see where I thought it was legal. So let’s sum up the above. Edwards stated a fact. Duffer called him a liar, with extra insults. Duffer was wrong. Duffer did no research, just used muddled anecdotal evidence. No apology. ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2004, 11:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/edwards-lying-douchebag/267806/68 "2004-10-06T23:52:33Z")
But really . . . I know you’re right. You know you’re right. And **Duffer** knows you’re right. This is as much as we can reasonable expect from him, I think–at this point, at any rate. I guess I just figure that continuing to beat him up for being a semirepentant bonehead will only make it more likely that he’ll be an unrepentant bonehead in the future. At least a partial and backhanded apology is progress. ---
**Author:** ![jshore](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/b5e925/32.png) [@jshore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jshore)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2004, 12:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/edwards-lying-douchebag/267806/69 "2004-10-07T00:26:32Z")
> [@Sublight](#): > > (Aug. 18, 2004) > Critics have charged that the safety issue is a red herring, noting that most of the drugs in question are actually made by U.S. manufacturers and exported to Canada and other countries. > [http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/08/18/bush.drugs/index.html](http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/08/18/bush.drugs/index.html) Interestingly, [a Vice President of Pfizer who apparently couldn’t stomach lying about this anymore has even called it a red-herring](http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A18917-2004Sep13.html), much to [the company’s chagrin](http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A63209-2004Sep30.html)! [quote] “This has been proven to be safe in Europe,” said Rost, who cautioned he was not speaking on behalf of Pfizer. “The real concern about safety is about people who do not take drugs because they cannot afford it. The safety issue is a made-up story.” ---
**Author:** ![Voyager](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voyager/32/133_2.png) [@Voyager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Voyager)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2004, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/edwards-lying-douchebag/267806/70 "2004-10-07T18:45:15Z")
**duffer** you still don’t get it. Americans buying drugs in Canada is not illegal, re-importing them is. Before Claritin became OTC here I bought it OTC in Canada, because it was a lot cheaper. My buying it was fine, and not siubsidized. If I had taken all of them there, it would still be legal. My sticking them in my suitcase and bringing them home was illegal. (Bring the cuffs.) I can look up the cite, but the author of the recent book on the drug industry said on Fresh Air that the marketing costs for drugs far exceed the R&D costs, so the R&D argument is a crock. The same thing seems to be happening with textbooks, which are much cheaper in England than here. (And these are legitimate ones, not Taiwan knockoffs.) It appears that students are making loads of money by buying them in bulk from England and selling them here for half price - even some bookstores are doing it. But I don’t blame Bush for this one. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2004, 2:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/edwards-lying-douchebag/267806/71 "2004-10-08T02:15:28Z")
> [@Squink](#): > > [Bush Administration Claims Terrorists May Poison Prescription Drugs from Canada](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=271943) Another blanket statement of “terror” and that’s it? Why is it that every damn thing anyone questions always boils down to some sort of unspecified terror plot? The drugs, as someone already said, are often, or maybe usually **re-imports**. I think it has more to do with profiteering, under US laws that give companies more leeway in how much they can charge. Refresh my memory… Weren’t drug companies huge contributors to the last Bush campaign (and also this one)? I smell a big stinky rat. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/edwards-lying-douchebag/267806.md?page=3)