How about this thread where he deliberately lied in the OP about what Kerry said, and then, precisely as he did in this thread, backpedaled faster than little Suzie’s bike approaching a cliff.
Or
This thread where he once again misstates the position of his “opposition” to try and make a point.
Including this trainwreck of an OP, that’s three. I officially make a Motion for a Finding of Douchebagitude.
It seems you already have a second for that motion.
Enjoy,
Steven
This thread is pure gold Duffer. Can I subscribe to your mailing list in order to be kept fully appraised of any future threads that you may post 
Folks, ease off, willyas? Duffer was wrong, he knows it, he’s admitted it.
Perhaps he was not particularly gracious, but it’s not easy to back off sometimes. I still struggle with it, and I’ve actually made an effort at it for years.
He’s embarassed and having to face that he screwed up. He’s faced up to it. Case (and hopefully thread) closed.
Thanks, Duffer. Ya done good.
Someone help me, I’m getting that warm fuzzy feeling all over.
Maybe I’ll go start my own GD thread about drug pricing…
Can I make a point of order?
First: this whole ‘re-importation’ thing is a smokescreen. Canada has quite a few manufacturing plants for drugs of all kinds (there’s a massive Pfizer pfactory about pfive minutes pfrom where my pfolks live). It just comes down to Canada Health Service (or whatever it’s called) negotiating price controls on a federal level-- something the U.S. is unwilling to do.
Second: lots of drugs are actually researched in Canada. Last time I counted there were 28 bigass pharmaceutical/biotech companies in Montreal, like Pfizer, Merck Frosst, Novartis, etc… So don’t go thinking that the only place that does R&D is the U.S.
Third: One of the largest costs for any drug company in the U.S. is advertising. You folks who live in the U.S. know how prevalent TV commercials are for all sorts of drugs. Up north, the CRTC has very strict rules about drug ads. To whit: an ad can either mention the name of the drug, or the condition it treats, but not both (so we have all sorts of Viagra ads with a guy dancing around, but nowhere does it say what Viagra does). We also have many fewer drug ads-- on a typical night of Canadian TV, you’ll probably get 5 ads TOTAL for drugs. I think here in NYC, you get 5 drug ads during every commercial break.
Although I agree with you that it’s tough to admit you’re wrong, it would be much better not to spray invective around in the first place, then argue for a while before ‘mumbling’ something resembling an apology.
Here’s a summary:
So it’s not just a question of a ‘lie’. Let’s insult the man too.
No research then to support the accusations.
Would it have been better? Duffer doesn’t say. And of course it’s time to insult all ‘left-wingers’. Some ‘apology’. :rolleyes:
Of course Edwards is still ‘lying’. Unless you know the difference between buying drugs from Canada, and buying drugs in Canada. Which Duffer clearly doesn’t.
No, just a fact backed with evidence.
No, you said maybe it would have been better not to use such language.
Still no apology to Edwards.
No apology to left-wingers.
So let’s sum up the above.
Edwards stated a fact.
Duffer called him a liar, with extra insults.
Duffer was wrong.
Duffer did no research, just used muddled anecdotal evidence.
No apology.
But really . . . I know you’re right. You know you’re right. And Duffer knows you’re right. This is as much as we can reasonable expect from him, I think–at this point, at any rate.
I guess I just figure that continuing to beat him up for being a semirepentant bonehead will only make it more likely that he’ll be an unrepentant bonehead in the future. At least a partial and backhanded apology is progress.
Interestingly, a Vice President of Pfizer who apparently couldn’t stomach lying about this anymore has even called it a red-herring, much to the company’s chagrin!
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“This has been proven to be safe in Europe,” said Rost, who cautioned he was not speaking on behalf of Pfizer. “The real concern about safety is about people who do not take drugs because they cannot afford it. The safety issue is a made-up story.”
duffer you still don’t get it. Americans buying drugs in Canada is not illegal, re-importing them is. Before Claritin became OTC here I bought it OTC in Canada, because it was a lot cheaper. My buying it was fine, and not siubsidized. If I had taken all of them there, it would still be legal. My sticking them in my suitcase and bringing them home was illegal. (Bring the cuffs.)
I can look up the cite, but the author of the recent book on the drug industry said on Fresh Air that the marketing costs for drugs far exceed the R&D costs, so the R&D argument is a crock.
The same thing seems to be happening with textbooks, which are much cheaper in England than here. (And these are legitimate ones, not Taiwan knockoffs.) It appears that students are making loads of money by buying them in bulk from England and selling them here for half price - even some bookstores are doing it. But I don’t blame Bush for this one.
Another blanket statement of “terror” and that’s it? Why is it that every damn thing anyone questions always boils down to some sort of unspecified terror plot? The drugs, as someone already said, are often, or maybe usually re-imports. I think it has more to do with profiteering, under US laws that give companies more leeway in how much they can charge. Refresh my memory… Weren’t drug companies huge contributors to the last Bush campaign (and also this one)? I smell a big stinky rat.