# Edwards vs. Cheney **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 6, 2004, 2:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/edwards-vs-cheney/267786 "2004-10-06T02:45:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 11\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2004, 9:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/edwards-vs-cheney/267786/61 "2004-10-06T21:31:12Z")
> [@ralph124c](#): > > How DID this guy win $50 million in medical malpractice lawsuits? I couldn’t take the guy seriously…he was asked very serious questions, and never answered them! Oh, and all that crap about poor old people dying because they don’t have medical care…South Florida is fullof retired people, and it is Cadillac’s biggest market. Gah! Too much stupid! > [@](#): > > I hear the voters in NC aren’t too impressed with John (Opie from Mayberry) Edwards…if he loses in this election, will he retain his senate seat? Given that he’s not running for re-election, nope, I doubt he will. Daniel ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2004, 9:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/edwards-vs-cheney/267786/62 "2004-10-06T21:32:14Z")
> [@ralph124c](#): > > I couldn’t take the guy seriously…he was asked very serious questions, and never answered them! You’re talking about Cheney here, right? ---
**Author:** ![LilShieste](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/9f8e36/32.png) [@LilShieste](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LilShieste)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2004, 10:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/edwards-vs-cheney/267786/63 "2004-10-06T22:29:30Z")
> [@Psycho Pirate](#): > > Nobody has yet refuted Cheney’s excellent points that Senator Kerry and John Boy both have a history of being on the wrong side of national defense. [Why re-invent the wheel?](http://www.factcheck.org/article.aspx?docID=177) > [@Psycho Pirate](#): > > Edwards also completely sidestepped the global test issue. I don’t blame him – frankly it’s embarrassing that Franken-Kerry even said it in the first debate. By “embarrassing”, of course, you mean embarrassing for Bush et al. who couldn’t event grasp the simple notion that Kerry was describing… right? I also think it’s amusing that you make a comparison between Kerry and Frakenstein['s Monster], when it’s obvious that you don’t do any kind of thinking for yourself. (Cheney said it, it must be true. Bush said it, it must be true. Etc.) As further evidence, I refer you to your next statement: > [@Psycho Pirate](#): > > However, it is very telling on how he feels about pre-emptive action and his willingness to hand over the defense of the US to the UN. Do you really think Bush/Cheney have a better idea of what Kerry meant, than Kerry himself did? _If you don’t actually think this_, then can you explain to me why you’re more focused on Kerry’s mentioning of the “global test”, rather than his simple statement: “No one gets a veto over our security.” _If you do actually think this_, then please let me know; I don’t like wasting my time trying to reason with nutjobs. _[“Too late!” — **LilShieste** , from the future_] > [@Psycho Pirate](#): > > It’s also interesting to note that apparently Iraqi lives mean nothing to Senator Kerry or his “My Buddy” doll veep candidate. It’s also interesting that you came to that conclusion… how, precisely, _did_ you come to that conclusion? Oh, that’s right, Cheney said so. Can we actually look at what Edwards said (and Cheney’s response)? > [@](#): > > **Senator John Edwards** said: > _You know, we’ve taken **90 percent of the coalition causalities**._ > [@](#): > > **Vice President Dick Cheney** said: > _Well, Gwen, the 90 percent figure is just dead wrong._ Actually, he’s right. Edwards should have said “88.5%”. Howvever, the 50% figure that Cheney subsequently pulls out of his ass (yes, out-of-his-ass: Iraqis make up about 38% of the total casualties) had nothing to do with what Edwards had said (note bolded portion). > [@Psycho Pirate](#): > > This type of pessimism will never win the war against terror…\ ## You know what? I should have read your entire post, before deciding to reply to anything in it. There is _no doubt_ in my mind that you’re simply a parrot for the Bush/Cheney re-election campaign. I should have been more observant. There is one other thing I want to address, before I get back to work (nice late-lunch break, heh), regarding Cheney’s remarks about Edwards’ “absence” in the Senate lately (and I’m upset with Edwards, for not doing this, himself). In case anyone has forgotten, Edwards has been on the [Vice-]Presidential campaign trail for much of this year. As such, I don’t expect him to have the same _excellent_ attendance record that he has had in _all of his previous years in the Senate_. [Re: Edwards attendance record.](http://www.journalnow.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=WSJ%2FMGArticle%2FWSJ_BasicArticle&c=MGArticle&cid=1031770817111) > [@](#): > > _Before this year, **Edwards missed just seven votes out of 1,307 in his first four years in office** , Briggs said. During his five years in the Senate, Edwards voted 1,551 times out of 1,626 roll-call votes, Briggs said, or 95.4 percent._ (bolding mine) As usual, Cheney’s accusations and “explanations” last night, were without actual substance. Of course, who cares how true his statements are; he had some great soundbites. :rolleyes: LilShieste ---
**Author:** ![wolf\_meister](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolf_meister/32/15202_2.png) [@wolf\_meister](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolf_meister)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2004, 1:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/edwards-vs-cheney/267786/64 "2004-10-07T01:44:38Z")
Okay just to show I might be biased, I’m voting for Kerry/Edwards. I’d say last night’s debate was a draw. To me, Edwards seemed a bit lacking in confidence whereas Cheney was a little too forceful almost to the point of arrogance. To me, that seems like a “wash”. I think Cheney’s saying that he never met Edwards before last night was a bit much. Cheney’s been VP for 3½ years and never once met him? You’d think someone who presides over the Senate might actually want to know who the heck those people are. Geez there are only 100 Senators. He could have made it a point to meet with 1 per week and in 2 years he’d know them all. Then again, maybe his CEO Corporate mentality finds it disdainful to mix with the underlings. ---
**Author:** ![rjung](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/45deac/32.png) [@rjung](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rjung)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2004, 6:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/edwards-vs-cheney/267786/65 "2004-10-07T06:30:58Z")
> [@wolf\_meister](#): > > To me, Edwards seemed a bit lacking in confidence whereas Cheney was a little too forceful almost to the point of arrogance. To be fair, _you_ try sitting across the table from the Raw, Naked Horror Known As Cheney™ for 90 minutes and see how good you are at keeping your composure. 😉 (Me? Wooden stake and holy water inside of three minutes, tops.) ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2004, 1:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/edwards-vs-cheney/267786/66 "2004-10-07T13:29:21Z")
> [@rjung](#): > > To be fair, _you_ try sitting across the table from the Raw, Naked Horror Known As Cheney™ for 90 minutes and see how good you are at keeping your composure. 😉 The whole matchup was like a scene from the bizarro version of _It’s a Wonderful Life_, between Vice President Potter and Senator George Bailey: > [@](#): > > \*\*Cheney: \*\* "Look at you. You used to be so cocky. You claimed you were going to go out and conquer the world. You once called me, “a warped, frustrated, old man!” > > **Edwards** : “Just remember this, Mr. Potter: that this rabble you’re talking about, they do most of the working and paying and living and dying in this community. Well, is it too much to have them work and pay and live and die in a couple of decent rooms and a bath?” I forget how that ends; which one ended up with more friends? ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2004, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/edwards-vs-cheney/267786/67 "2004-10-07T17:17:25Z")
George Bailey winds up strapped to a chair inside an abandoned nuclear cooling tower while his interrogators cluck their tongues at losing him to his fantasies. ---
**Author:** ![Blonde](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/3be4f8/32.png) [@Blonde](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blonde)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2004, 12:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/edwards-vs-cheney/267786/68 "2004-10-09T00:29:47Z")
> [@rjung](#): > > To be fair, _you_ try sitting across the table from the Raw, Naked Horror Known As Cheney™ for 90 minutes and see how good you are at keeping your composure. 😉 Funny! I saw a quote from an online Dallas polling site, in which someone said during the debate they kept invisioning Robin, Boy Wonder…versus The Penguin. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![World\_Eater](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f04885/32.png) [@World\_Eater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/World_Eater)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2004, 12:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/edwards-vs-cheney/267786/69 "2004-10-09T00:31:56Z")
> [@rjung](#): > > To be fair, _you_ try sitting across the table from the Raw, Naked Horror Known As Cheney™ for 90 minutes and see how good you are at keeping your composure. 😉 > > (Me? Wooden stake and holy water inside of three minutes, tops.) How many times do you think each of them “held” their gas? 😃 ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2004, 12:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/edwards-vs-cheney/267786/70 "2004-10-09T00:32:52Z")
> [@Left Hand of Dorkness](#): > > Okay, in the “funny yet disgusting” department, remember how Cheney referred people to [factcheck.com](http://factcheck.com)? I snickered a bit, because [factcheck.com](http://factcheck.com) as of last week was a squatter’s site: someone had bought the name but not developed it, instead linking to a bunch of random advertisements. I was laughing at how he even got his facts about factchecking wrong. > > Try going to [factcheck.com](http://factcheck.com) today. Apparently, George Soros just bought the address. > > I betcha Cheney’s taking a double-dose of his blood-pressure medication. > > Daniel It was great, especially since someone with a sense of humor quickly put up a lot of antiBush stuff on there 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Blonde](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/3be4f8/32.png) [@Blonde](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blonde)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2004, 2:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/edwards-vs-cheney/267786/71 "2004-10-09T02:25:49Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > It was great, especially since someone with a sense of humor quickly put up a lot of antiBush stuff on there 😃 I read that he had directed folks to [factcheck.ORG](http://factcheck.ORG) in error: [http://www.factcheck.org](http://www.factcheck.org) Perhaps he meant to say [factcheck.COM](http://factcheck.COM)? [http://www.georgesoros.com/](http://www.georgesoros.com/) Looks about the same from here… 😛 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/edwards-vs-cheney/267786.md?page=3)