# Eidolon909, just for you **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 27, 2002, 4:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/eidolon909-just-for-you/139126 "2002-11-27T16:09:34Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![TwistofFate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/cdc98d/32.png) [@TwistofFate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TwistofFate)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2002, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/eidolon909-just-for-you/139126/61 "2002-11-27T17:38:04Z")
> [@](#): > > Out of respect for the subject it should be moved. I could understand her putting it in the pit if the thread was more along the lines of “My selfish friend killed her self, what a jerk”, but she did not express those feelings. Others might believe that she meant to, and then make comments expressing so which would only lead to hurt feelings and flames. It had nothing to do with respect. It had to do with him hinting at his opinion of people who commit suicide. it had no place in that thread. Duck Duck: He acted like an asshole. I called him on it. It devalues nothing. ---
**Author:** ![GingerOfTheNorth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/cdc98d/32.png) [@GingerOfTheNorth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GingerOfTheNorth)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2002, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/eidolon909-just-for-you/139126/62 "2002-11-27T17:39:16Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Eidolon909 \* > **Wishing death on someone? Now thats a class act.** Had you tried it, you may have more compassion for the girl that succeeded, and the people left behind who are in pain because of it. ---
**Author:** ![Eidolon909](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ce7236/32.png) [@Eidolon909](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eidolon909)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2002, 5:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/eidolon909-just-for-you/139126/63 "2002-11-27T17:41:13Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Manda JO \* > \*\* > I don’t thnk it’s so much about being enlightened as it is about being effective: people that do not adhere to basic social formulae in any situation soon find themselves maginalized, which contradicts your statement about finding an audience. \*\* You misread me. I never said I was looking for an audience. I said anyone who ever posts on a message board is looking for an audience. Period. And as far as this board goes, anyone who doesn’t belong to the moral majority finds themself quickly marginalized. The point is essentially moot. ---
**Author:** ![Homebrew](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@Homebrew](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Homebrew)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2002, 5:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/eidolon909-just-for-you/139126/64 "2002-11-27T17:41:16Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Eidolon909 \* > \*\*Only that this particular ID has a recent reg date and a relatively low post count. \*\* Is this an admission of sock puppetry? ---
**Author:** ![Siege](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/dbc845/32.png) [@Siege](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siege)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2002, 5:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/eidolon909-just-for-you/139126/65 "2002-11-27T17:43:05Z")
I did ask **Eidolon** for his opinions on suicide on page 1 of this thread. I’ve got no response so far. By the way, I pretty much do abide by the same social conventions on the internet as I do in real life, with one exception – I don’t play solitaire while speaking to people in real life. CJ ---
**Author:** ![Eidolon909](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ce7236/32.png) [@Eidolon909](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eidolon909)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2002, 5:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/eidolon909-just-for-you/139126/66 "2002-11-27T17:46:24Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by GingerOfTheNorth \* > \*\*Had you tried it, you may have more compassion for the girl that succeeded, and the people left behind who are in pain because of it. \*\* Considering you know next to nothing about me personally you are really in no position to be making those statements. Now are you? Your constant platitudes really do bore me Ginger, you post them everywhere. Shoo fly. ---
**Author:** ![MandaJo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ac91a4/32.png) [@MandaJo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MandaJo)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2002, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/eidolon909-just-for-you/139126/67 "2002-11-27T17:49:31Z")
> [@](#): > > I never said I was looking for an audience. I said anyone who ever posts on a message board is looking for an audience. Period. All posters who are posting on a message board are looking for an audience. **Eidolon909** is a poster on a message board. Therefore, **Eidolon909** is looking for an audience. That established, I am sugesting that if you are looking for an audience, the best way to aquire one that actually listens to you is be sensitive to the reactions you garner. > [@](#): > > And as far as this board goes, anyone who doesn’t belong to the moral majority finds themself quickly marginalized. The point is essentially moot. Among **any** group of people persons who do not adhere to the basic conventions are marginalized. One of the conventions here is that members follow many of the same conventions about when and how it is appropriate to speak as they do in real life. ---
**Author:** ![TwistofFate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/cdc98d/32.png) [@TwistofFate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TwistofFate)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2002, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/eidolon909-just-for-you/139126/68 "2002-11-27T17:51:08Z")
We have one convention on these boards. Don’t be a jerk. You should know that if you have lurked and posted under several ID’s. ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_Wright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/848f3c/32.png) [@Steve\_Wright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_Wright)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2002, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/eidolon909-just-for-you/139126/69 "2002-11-27T17:51:50Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Eidolon909 \* > \*\*The only one suggesting anything is you. \*\* And two others, by my last count. So it’s not an impossible, or even an unreasonable, inference to draw from your comment. > [@](#): > > \*\* One does not need an ID to be a lurker… or a number of any other possibilities. > > But yes, feel free to jump on the worse case scenario. No rules have been violated.\*\* Glad to hear it. I still think it unwise of you to make a comment that people could take as meaning that they had. > [@](#): > > \*\*I’m sure you’re dissapointed. \*\* Actually, yes, but not by that. I remember having a fairly reasonable discussion with you about the merits of Admiral Nelson, back in the [Greatest Briton](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=140502) thread. If you’d devote your energies more towards that sort of thing, instead of trying to be Big Bad Controversial Super-Poster, you’d make more of a positive impression around here. I don’t wish to flaunt my registration date or anything, but I have been around long enough to see more than one Big Bad Controversial Super-Poster come and go … usually leaving no trace behind them. ---
**Author:** ![Eidolon909](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ce7236/32.png) [@Eidolon909](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eidolon909)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2002, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/eidolon909-just-for-you/139126/70 "2002-11-27T17:54:09Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Manda JO \* > \*\* > Among **any** group of people persons who do not adhere to the basic conventions are marginalized. One of the conventions here is that members follow many of the same conventions about when and how it is appropriate to speak as they do in real life. \*\* I’m not talking about social forms. I’m talking about political views or personal ideology. People are instantly marginalized here the minute they speak their views that dissent from the majority. It has nothing to do with basic conventions. Look at the main page of the Pit. Speaks for itself. ---
**Author:** ![jjimm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba8739/32.png) [@jjimm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jjimm)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2002, 5:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/eidolon909-just-for-you/139126/71 "2002-11-27T17:57:03Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Eidolon909 \* > \*\*I’m not talking about social forms. I’m talking about political views or personal ideology. People are instantly marginalized here the minute they speak their views that dissent from the majority. It has nothing to do with basic conventions. Look at the main page of the Pit. Speaks for itself. \*\* This is entirely incorrect. There are people with extremely bizarre notions and a wide spectrum of opinions. For the most part, it’s how they present themselves that determines other people’s reaction. You haven’t done a very good job of presenting yourself so far. You come over as abrasive, dismissive and rude. ---
**Author:** ![MandaJo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ac91a4/32.png) [@MandaJo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MandaJo)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2002, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/eidolon909-just-for-you/139126/72 "2002-11-27T18:07:26Z")
[quote] I’m not talking about social forms. I’m talking about political views or personal ideology. People are instantly marginalized here the minute they speak their views that dissent from the majority. It has nothing to do with basic conventions. Look at the main page of the Pit. Speaks for itself. [quote] We are not talking about “people” or “the board” in general. We are talking about **you** and why your behavoir pissed so many poeple off. I said it was because it wasn’t an approprite time or place to express your feelings. That’s a social convention, in the same way that the fact that your grandmother’s funeral is not the time or place for a stranger ot express their opinion on her sweet potato cassarole is a social convention. My understanding is that you then said that message boards aren’t like real life and are the place for everyone to express whatever they feel whenever, provided they are within forum guidelines. I suggested that this wasn’t true, and that the conventions of this board more nearly mimiced real life than you seem to realize. None of this has anything to do with being marginalized for unpopular opinions. We are discussing time and place and only time and place. ---
**Author:** ![Enderw24](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ba9def/32.png) [@Enderw24](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enderw24)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2002, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/eidolon909-just-for-you/139126/73 "2002-11-27T18:09:39Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Eidolon909 \* > \*\*I’m not talking about social forms. I’m talking about political views or personal ideology. People are instantly marginalized here the minute they speak their views that dissent from the majority. It has nothing to do with basic conventions. Look at the main page of the Pit. Speaks for itself. \*\* Not true at all. Had you opened up a thread in IMHO or even GD titled “what I find wrong with suicide” you would have gotten some very rational debate from all sides of the issue. Even if you were the ONLY person who believed suicide was wrong (and I very much doubt that to be the case), you still would have been treated with respect. You didn’t do that. You went into a thread where someone was grieving about a suicide from the night before and tried to start a debate. Wrong comments. Wrong thread. Wrong time. It’s pretty easy to claim that all dissenting opinions are “instantly marginalized” when you do something that boorish. It’s easy, but mistaken. ---
**Author:** ![Diane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/2acd7d/32.png) [@Diane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diane)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2002, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/eidolon909-just-for-you/139126/74 "2002-11-27T18:43:04Z")
> [@](#): > > MJ, may I call you MJ? You’re obviously a mental health professional Naw, she just plays one on a message board. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2002, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/eidolon909-just-for-you/139126/75 "2002-11-27T19:52:10Z")
Silly of me, eid. I was under the impression that the first victim of a suicide is the person who committed suicide. Apparently you’re not human enough to understand that. ---
**Author:** ![erislover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/71e660/32.png) [@erislover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/erislover)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2002, 9:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/eidolon909-just-for-you/139126/76 "2002-11-27T21:45:56Z")
Many of my opinions are unpopular. I do not feel marginalized. I do not understand the objection of our OP’s target whatsoever. ---
**Author:** ![jacksen9](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ce73a5/32.png) [@jacksen9](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jacksen9)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2002, 11:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/eidolon909-just-for-you/139126/77 "2002-11-27T23:02:07Z")
> [@](#): > > This doesn’t belong in the Pit. It should be moved to MPSIMS/IHMO/Wherever before someone (like myself), feels the need to make a comment on Suicide in general. Maybe it’s not about what you need or what you feel. Maybe there is a more appropriate forum for the thread. So. Your comment was not appropriate in this circumstance. The post was about loss, grief, and confusion. Why “scold” someone about the forum in this instance? If you wish to share your thought about suicide in general, post your own thread. ---
**Author:** ![TVeblen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/4bbf92/32.png) [@TVeblen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TVeblen)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2002, 1:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/eidolon909-just-for-you/139126/78 "2002-11-28T01:04:12Z")
**Moderator’s note:** **Eidolon909** , if you aren’t a jerk you’re sure going out of your way to appear like one. A thread’s placement --even temporarily–in The Pit doesn’t issue anyone a hunting license. It should be plain by now that the vast majority of posters retained the decency and common sense to recognize the suicide thread for what it was: a rant against tragedy. You, on the other hand, didn’t. You’re in no position to play coy little brinksmanship games, hinting at deliberate trolling and sock puppetry. Not amused. Consider yourself warned. TVeblen SDMB Moderator ---
**Author:** ![Rilchiam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/2bfe46/32.png) [@Rilchiam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rilchiam)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2002, 2:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/eidolon909-just-for-you/139126/79 "2002-11-28T02:29:34Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Eidolon909 \* > \*\*Considering you know next to nothing about me personally you are really in no position to be making those statements. Now are you? > > Your constant platitudes really do bore me Ginger, you post them everywhere. Shoo fly. \*\* Now that is the pot calling the kettle 18% gray. **Eidolon** , you could have done as **TwistofFate** did and started your own Pit thread to the effect of “Why all this sympathy for suicides? I think suicides are \_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_.” In that manner, he could have expressed his opinion without shitting all over **nani** ’s (sorry, can’t do the tilde) grief. That said, I’ll give **Eidolon** the benefit of the doubt that he’s not a sock. It may be that when he said “this particular ID” he meant his ID as opposed to **Twisty** ’s, **jjimm** ’s and so forth. ---
**Author:** ![Lynn\_Bodoni](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e47c2d/32.png) [@Lynn\_Bodoni](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lynn_Bodoni)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2002, 6:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/eidolon909-just-for-you/139126/80 "2002-11-28T06:30:12Z")
I had previously warned \*\* Eidolon909 \*\*to tone it down. He didn’t. Goodbye, and I’m locking this thread. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/eidolon909-just-for-you/139126.md?page=3)