# El Presidente... ¡de ignorancia! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 8, 2010, 2:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/el-presidente-de-ignorancia/563370 "2010-12-08T02:30:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2010, 12:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/el-presidente-de-ignorancia/563370/21 "2010-12-10T00:14:45Z")
> [@GiantRat](#): > > What’s wrong with cotton/wool/whatever? Shit, you can make clothing out of cornhusk fibers. But the screaming demand for hemp fibers (which, admittedly have considerable strength and durability… although all of my old hemp “jewelry” back in the day tended to fail after a few months in the shower) seems like a a screaming hippie cry. One that I once espoused. Now I kind of feel like, hey - grow up and get some grown-up clothes. I have many friends who would disagree with this. Nothing wrong with cotton/wool/whatever. I don’t go out of my way to buy articles made of hemp, but I appreciate that they increase my overall consumer choice, and items made of hemp certainly do have some qualities that make them a good choice for things like shirts that are comfortable in different temperatures. I don’t get hemp clothes from hippy-dippy shops, and they are quite “grown-up”. I guarantee you could not tell them from “regular” clothes without looking at the label (unless of course, you are in possession of **El Presidente** ’s super paranormal clothes ability) I just don’t see why my consumer choices should be restricted just because a group of nitwits can’t tell the difference between a plant grown for it’s THC content and a plant grown for it’s industrial fibres. ---
**Author:** ![dumbroad](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/cc9497/32.png) [@dumbroad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dumbroad)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2010, 4:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/el-presidente-de-ignorancia/563370/22 "2010-12-10T16:13:19Z")
> [@saoirse](#): > > I really hate it when this argument comes out. You know what? If you live downstairs from that party, fighting is really preferable to a guitar and percussion jam session. People who are high are no less obnoxious than people who are drunk. That doesn’t mean they ought to go to jail, and it especially doesn’t mean that people walking down the street need to be “tossed” or that paramilitary units need to attack private residences in order to prevent its use. But please no more about how groovy teh world would be if we’d all just take a hit and chill. If you’re wanting some peace and quiet, maybe you should live somewhere that isn’t attached to others. ---
**Author:** ![saoirse](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/5daacb/32.png) [@saoirse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/saoirse)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2010, 6:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/el-presidente-de-ignorancia/563370/23 "2010-12-10T18:48:36Z")
One caveat to what I posted above. If this is your response: > [@dumbroad](#): > > If you’re wanting some peace and quiet, maybe you should live somewhere that isn’t attached to others. then we need to disband those paramilitary police units just as soon as they have raided your house and with any luck at all shot all of you pets. Then we declare victory in the War on Drugs. ---
**Author:** ![Cheshire\_Human](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/5f8ce5/32.png) [@Cheshire\_Human](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheshire_Human)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2010, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/el-presidente-de-ignorancia/563370/24 "2010-12-11T19:02:29Z")
> [@rachelellogram](#): > > …you’re pretty deadset in the post-D.A.R.E. mentality… Ducks Are Retarded Eagles Deputies Are Rarely Ethical ---
**Author:** ![Cheshire\_Human](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/5f8ce5/32.png) [@Cheshire\_Human](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheshire_Human)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2010, 7:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/el-presidente-de-ignorancia/563370/25 "2010-12-11T19:08:53Z")
> [@GiantRat](#): > > …we all know they scream when they die. [Cite.](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmK0bZl4ILM) It’s true. ---
**Author:** ![Rachellelogram](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rachellelogram/32/8689_2.png) [@Rachellelogram](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rachellelogram)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2010, 4:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/el-presidente-de-ignorancia/563370/26 "2010-12-14T04:08:30Z")
Apologies on the GQ/IMHO mistake. I was forum jumping excessively and misremembered/misattributed. It doesn’t make our guest of honor any less dogmatic or wrong, though. > [@Cheshire\_Human](#): > > Ducks Are Retarded Eagles > Deputies Are Rarely Ethical derpty herp [LMGTFY - Let Me Google That For You](http://lmgtfy.com/?q=dare+marijuana) ---
**Author:** ![Buckler\_of\_Swashing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/d6d6ee/32.png) [@Buckler\_of\_Swashing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buckler_of_Swashing)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2010, 6:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/el-presidente-de-ignorancia/563370/27 "2010-12-14T06:23:20Z")
> [@saoirse](#): > > I really hate it when this argument comes out. You know what? If **you** live downstairs from that party, fighting is really preferable to a guitar and percussion jam session. Bolded your apparent use of the generic ‘you’. I would vastly prefer the guitars and percussion to fighting if I lived downstairs from that party. Maybe you’re more comfortable with violence than music but not everyone feels that way. ---
**Author:** ![Cheshire\_Human](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/5f8ce5/32.png) [@Cheshire\_Human](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheshire_Human)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2010, 7:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/el-presidente-de-ignorancia/563370/28 "2010-12-14T07:21:35Z")
> [@Cheshire\_Human](#): > > Ducks Are Retarded Eagles > Deputies Are Rarely Ethical > [@rachelellogram](#): > > derpty herp [LMGTFY - Let Me Google That For You](http://lmgtfy.com/?q=dare+marijuana) 😉 I know what it’s _ **supposed** _ to stand for, those are just what it’s been called for years around my area. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![saoirse](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/5daacb/32.png) [@saoirse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/saoirse)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2010, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/el-presidente-de-ignorancia/563370/29 "2010-12-14T18:11:11Z")
> [@Buckler\_of\_Swashing](#): > > Bolded your apparent use of the generic ‘you’. > > I would vastly prefer the guitars and percussion to fighting if I lived downstairs from that party. Maybe you’re more comfortable with violence than music but not everyone feels that way. Having lived downstairs from each, I can tell you, you are wrong. A ten-minute fight between a couple idiots is entirely preferable to a clutch of fucking hippies on a three-hour jam session with guitar, bongo, rain stick and nose flute. ---
**Author:** ![Rachellelogram](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rachellelogram/32/8689_2.png) [@Rachellelogram](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rachellelogram)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2010, 9:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/el-presidente-de-ignorancia/563370/30 "2010-12-14T21:06:23Z")
How dare those peaceful motherfuckers play musical instruments?? ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2010, 9:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/el-presidente-de-ignorancia/563370/31 "2010-12-14T21:28:51Z")
> [@dumbroad](#): > > I think marijuana should be legal, too. I mean seriously, what harm does marijuana do? Let’s try this… Please stop arguing on behalf of my side. Please. Please, please, please. This hypothetical is the most retarded thing I’ve read all day. It’s approximately as valid and useful a contribution as if El Presidente had suggested that getting high means you’ll end up microwaving a baby. People on pot aren’t automatically amusing geniuses, and people on alcohol aren’t automatically destructive assholes. > [@dumbroad](#): > > I got told to take my hemp discussion here because I called him IGNORANT. Really? I’d love to see a link for that, because [according to **twickster** , calling someone ignorant is 100% acceptable](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=588284). > [@BigT](#): > > I never thought I’d say this, but I miss Czarcasm’s over-moderation. [Funny you should mention…](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=589151) ---
**Author:** ![Rachellelogram](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rachellelogram/32/8689_2.png) [@Rachellelogram](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rachellelogram)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2010, 9:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/el-presidente-de-ignorancia/563370/32 "2010-12-14T21:33:18Z")
Sure, weed doesn’t automatically make people cool and insightful. However, it also never makes people violent or crazed addicts. Alcohol does. So I think there’s a point hidden deep in the hippie talk. ---
**Author:** ![Cheshire\_Human](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/5f8ce5/32.png) [@Cheshire\_Human](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheshire_Human)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2010, 10:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/el-presidente-de-ignorancia/563370/33 "2010-12-14T22:19:13Z")
> [@rachelellogram](#): > > How dare those peaceful motherfuckers play musical instruments?? Did you mean “How _ **D.A.R.E.** _ those…”? ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2010, 10:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/el-presidente-de-ignorancia/563370/34 "2010-12-14T22:48:07Z")
> [@rachelellogram](#): > > However, [weed] also never makes people violent or crazed addicts. Alcohol does. If you’re going to accept violent drunks as an argument against alcohol and in favor of marijuana, then you also have to accept lazy, do-nothing potheads as an argument against marijuana and for alcohol. Personally, I think both characterizations are useless. People who drink alcohol aren’t going to automatically turn into crazy, violent, reckless drunk drivers, just as people who use marijuana aren’t going to automatically become incapable of fulfilling any responsibility. ---
**Author:** ![Tinkertoy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f19dbf/32.png) [@Tinkertoy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tinkertoy)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2010, 11:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/el-presidente-de-ignorancia/563370/35 "2010-12-15T11:50:40Z")
> [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > people who use marijuana aren’t going to automatically become incapable of fulfilling any responsibility. But it’s a goal. ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2010, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/el-presidente-de-ignorancia/563370/36 "2010-12-15T17:28:48Z")
You slackers will never meet it! Wait… ---
**Author:** ![The\_Weird\_One](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7bcc69/32.png) [@The\_Weird\_One](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Weird_One)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2010, 6:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/el-presidente-de-ignorancia/563370/37 "2010-12-15T18:15:33Z")
> [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > If you’re going to accept violent drunks as an argument against alcohol and in favor of marijuana, then you also have to accept lazy, do-nothing potheads as an argument against marijuana and for alcohol. Personally, I think both characterizations are useless. People who drink alcohol aren’t going to automatically turn into crazy, violent, reckless drunk drivers, just as people who use marijuana aren’t going to automatically become incapable of fulfilling any responsibility. Thank you! I’m so tired of that “argument” for marijuana legalization. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Excellent](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f19dbf/32.png) [@Mr.Excellent](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Excellent)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2010, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/el-presidente-de-ignorancia/563370/38 "2010-12-15T18:25:04Z")
> [@rachelellogram](#): > > How dare those peaceful motherfuckers play musical instruments?? I’ve had enough of these motherfucking jam sessions in my motherfucking apartment building! ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2010, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/el-presidente-de-ignorancia/563370/39 "2010-12-15T19:15:31Z")
> [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > If you’re going to accept violent drunks as an argument against alcohol and in favor of marijuana, then you also have to accept lazy, do-nothing potheads as an argument against marijuana and for alcohol. Here’s the thing … I’ll take 100 lazy do-nothing potheads (who I’ll never even know about because they will be doing nothing) for every violent drunk. So I’m fine with that rationalization. ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2010, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/el-presidente-de-ignorancia/563370/40 "2010-12-15T19:52:24Z")
\*\*Except it’s bullshit. \*\*It’s like saying you’d take 15 lazy Mexican neighbors crammed into one house over 5 violent drug-selling Black ones. It’s \*still \*racist. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/el-presidente-de-ignorancia/563370.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/el-presidente-de-ignorancia/563370.md?page=3)