# Election Day Omnibus thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [November 4, 2024, 8:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-omnibus-thread/1009683 "2024-11-04T20:15:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 64
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2024, 5:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-omnibus-thread/1009683/1261 "2024-11-06T17:57:12Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > They never would have because they _are_ “evil”. They’ll live their whole lives hating everyone else. People like that are outlived, not persuaded. You can keep repeating this mantra, but you are wrong. Trump won handily among men under 30. Good luck outliving them. > [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > And much of the problem is the unwillingness to call them on it. The Democrats have spent decades trying to pander to them and it never works. This reminds me of comedians telling massive crowds how the wokies are taking away their free speech before making a joke they told you they weren’t allowed to make. No, some Democrats have called Republican supporters fascists since long before they actually were. I first started paying any kind of attention to politics during the Bush/Kerry election, and plenty of people were calling Bush a fascist and insisting he would use the Iraq war to make himself president for life. This narrative that no one is willing to call out the Right is ridiculous. Plenty of people call out the Right, and more deservedly so these days. And yet, Trump made big gains with minority voters. > [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > Which is what his supporters _want,_ a murderous racist crusade. 🙄 ---
**Author:** ![FlikTheBlue](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fliktheblue/32/10972_2.png) [@FlikTheBlue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FlikTheBlue)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2024, 5:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-omnibus-thread/1009683/1262 "2024-11-06T17:57:21Z")
> [@Half\_Man\_Half\_Wit](#): > > Still Too Early To Know Which Minority To Scapegoat: Yes, I know it’s satire, but IMHO misses the point. The minorities that voted Trump most likley did so because they no longer see themselves as minorities. In that sense Democrats became a victim of their own success. ---
**Author:** ![Lamoral](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lamoral/32/16078_2.png) [@Lamoral](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lamoral)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2024, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-omnibus-thread/1009683/1263 "2024-11-06T18:01:12Z")
I feel like for the past decade Democrats have hoped that demographics would eventually be on their side and they said stuff like “as the country gets more brown, it’s going to get more Democratic.” It just hasn’t panned out that way and I’ve sensed for some time now that Hispanics particularly were NOT going to be a reliable blue voting block. As soon as “Latinx” became a thing I thought to myself that every Hispanic person I know was the EXACT opposite of the kind of person who would use that word. We’re talking about a group of people who are in the main very pariochal and lean into machismo, and I do not say this to be derogatory, it’s just the reality of it. Democrats need to do some soul searching about why they’re losing men, and how they can win them back. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2024, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-omnibus-thread/1009683/1264 "2024-11-06T18:01:32Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > …plenty of people were calling Bush a fascist and insisting he would use the Iraq war to make himself president for life. Well, we know where he stands now. > **[George W. Bush reacts to Donald Trump winning election](https://www.newsweek.com/george-w-bush-reacts-silence-donald-trump-winning-election-1981458)** > > Former President Bush declined to endorse either Trump or Kamala Harris before the results were known. > Former President [George W. Bush](https://www.newsweek.com/topic/george-w.-bush) has released his first statement on the 2024 presidential election, congratulating his fellow [Republican](https://www.newsweek.com/topic/republican), President-elect [Donald Trump](https://www.newsweek.com/topic/donald-trump). > > “I congratulate President Trump on his election as 47th President of the United States of America, as well as Vice President-elect J.D. Vance and their families,” he said in a statement released about Wednesday 11 a.m. ET. ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2024, 6:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-omnibus-thread/1009683/1265 "2024-11-06T18:02:25Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > This message is _factually accurate_, but it seems that Democrats find it impossible to communicate. They need to figure out how to dumb things down for the US voters, without just lying, like Trump. I mean, look at tariffs. Trump says, “Tariffs are wonderful! China is paying us billions! Every other country will too!” It’s a stupid lie, but it’s stupid enough almost anyone can understand it, if they accept the lie. How to refute that? Sure, we can explain it to them, but as we’ve seen time and again, _they don’t understand the explanation_. We need to find a simple answer that even a MAGA can understand. Alas, I have no idea what that is. “Trump is a fucking idiot” isn’t it, though. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2024, 6:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-omnibus-thread/1009683/1266 "2024-11-06T18:02:34Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > You can keep repeating this mantra, but you are wrong. Trump won handily among men under 30. Good luck outliving them. This isn’t something new, this is the same faction that supported slavery, segregation, the disenfranchisement of women, illegality of homosexuality, and so on. They’ve always had to be outlived, not persuaded. All those men who voted for Trump? They _will_ hate everyone but themselves for the rest of their lives, and nothing will convince them otherwise. ---
**Author:** ![orcenio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/orcenio/32/1036_2.png) [@orcenio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/orcenio)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2024, 6:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-omnibus-thread/1009683/1267 "2024-11-06T18:03:55Z")
Honestly, I am allowed to hate people for their politics. This is perfectly ethical behaviour. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2024, 6:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-omnibus-thread/1009683/1268 "2024-11-06T18:10:47Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > Well, we know where he stands now. Emmanuel Macron also declined to endorse either candidate and called Trump to congratulate him, so I guess Macron and Bush are just a couple of Fascists together. See? This is PRECISELY what I’m talking about. Bush, a former Republican president, did not endorse Trump. His silence should speak volumes. But instead, he didn’t endorse Kamala either, so that makes him a fascist. OK, bud. There’s a reason why no one took us seriously when we said ‘OK, but Trump is _actually_ fascistic this time’, and that’s because every Republican since Nixon has been the Antichrist. When something that was ACTUALLY far outside the norms happened - the false slates of electors and the insurrection on Jan 6 - that should have been when we seriously deployed terms like “fascist”. Instead, we’d cheapened the term for two decades by using it the way Republicans use “communism”. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2024, 6:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-omnibus-thread/1009683/1269 "2024-11-06T18:12:18Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > Emmanuel Macron also declined to endorse either candidate and called Trump to congratulate him, so I guess Macron and Bush are just a couple of Fascists together. Fascist support _is_ something that Macron is known for? Of course he’d support Trump. ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2024, 6:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-omnibus-thread/1009683/1270 "2024-11-06T18:13:14Z")
One white male I was talking to predicted that minorities would vote Trump because “they’re tired of handouts.” 🙄 ---
**Author:** ![orcenio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/orcenio/32/1036_2.png) [@orcenio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/orcenio)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2024, 6:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-omnibus-thread/1009683/1271 "2024-11-06T18:13:46Z")
How would you criticize the Iraq War and Bush? enforce no Fascist comparisons? Kind of untenable and not helpful advice there. and hold on. The rhetoric from the right at that time was “you are all a bunch of Islamic terrorist loving traitors” it was wild. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2024, 6:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-omnibus-thread/1009683/1272 "2024-11-06T18:16:04Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > Fascist support _is_ something that Macron is known for? What? No, I don’t think it is. > [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > Of course he’d support Trump. ??? What evidence do you have that he supports Trump? He clearly favored Harris, even if he didn’t think it was his place to offer an endorsement. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2024, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-omnibus-thread/1009683/1273 "2024-11-06T18:17:22Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > What? No, I don’t think it is. Googling, the news appears to say he does, as do the few French people I know. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2024, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-omnibus-thread/1009683/1274 "2024-11-06T18:18:15Z")
> [@orcenio](#): > > How would you criticize the Iraq War and Bush? I’d criticize their motivations, as well as their incompetent execution. Do you think every bad war in history was fought by _fascists_? > [@orcenio](#): > > enforce no Fascist comparisons? I don’t know what you mean by “enforce”. You’re free to call Bush a fascist, and I’m free to think the comparison is _checks forum_ lacking. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2024, 6:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-omnibus-thread/1009683/1275 "2024-11-06T18:19:12Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > Googling, the news appears to say he does, as do the few French people I know. Trump is exceedingly unpopular in France, as you must surely know. It is normal and wise for other heads of state of government to remain neutral about allies’ elections and offer generic words of congratulation upon candidates winning elections. ---
**Author:** ![Wrenching\_Spanners](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/ecb155/32.png) [@Wrenching\_Spanners](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wrenching_Spanners)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2024, 6:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-omnibus-thread/1009683/1276 "2024-11-06T18:19:31Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > This message is _factually accurate_, but it seems that Democrats find it impossible to communicate. Yes. Harris didn’t have a clear, or at least clearly broadcasted, immigration policy. Trump had an emphatic immigration policy. And the left had policies that most voters disagreed with, and Harris got associated with them. And the left said that Trump’s immigration policy was racist. Harris lost on that issue because she was associated with the leftist policy. And my opinion is that because she lost the argument on immigration and a few other policies because she wasn’t trusted to not be left wing, she lost the election. ---
**Author:** ![orcenio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/orcenio/32/1036_2.png) [@orcenio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/orcenio)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2024, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-omnibus-thread/1009683/1277 "2024-11-06T18:21:07Z")
I mean, you criticize the rhetoric on the left as harsh and off putting (which can be legit). However at no time was it ever as toxic as the right’s. Plus the right’s rhetoric has devolved into wild conspiracy nonsense. Reflect. How could the left possibly police calling Trump/Bush/Etc as fash? This isn’t helpful advice. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2024, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-omnibus-thread/1009683/1278 "2024-11-06T18:23:30Z")
> [@Wrenching\_Spanners](#): > > And the left said that Trump’s immigration policy was racist. Because rounding up children and putting them in cages and all the other things he did _are_ racist. And have little to do with immigration. It’s about hating brown people, immigrant or not. And calling for the persecution _of their own base_ would hardly _help_ the Democrats. ---
**Author:** ![Wrenching\_Spanners](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/ecb155/32.png) [@Wrenching\_Spanners](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wrenching_Spanners)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2024, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-omnibus-thread/1009683/1279 "2024-11-06T18:24:55Z")
> [@Horatius](#): > > How to refute that? Sure, we can explain it to them, but as we’ve seen time and again, _they don’t understand the explanation_. Paraphrase of the above: _Let me explain this to you in simple terms because you’re stupid. And then please vote for my side._ ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2024, 6:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-omnibus-thread/1009683/1280 "2024-11-06T18:26:48Z")
> [@orcenio](#): > > I mean, you criticize the rhetoric on the left as harsh and off putting (which can be legit). However at no time was it ever as toxic as the right’s. Plus the right’s rhetoric has devolved into wild conspiracy nonsense. Sure, and if a Communist wing ever forms in the Democratic party Team Party/MAGA style and takes over, it might prove difficult for Republicans to convince people that no, this time the people they’re calling communists are ACTUALLY COMMUNISTS, they aren’t just being unhinged. Fortunately or unfortunately, that’s not a very likely scenario. > [@orcenio](#): > > Reflect. How could the left possibly police calling Trump/Bush/Etc as fash? This isn’t helpful advice. I’m not expecting the left to police anything; I’m responding to specific people using that rhetoric about people like Macron, or Bush, or 72% of non college educated white Americans. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-omnibus-thread/1009683.md?page=63) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-omnibus-thread/1009683.md?page=65)