# Election Day \[Week\]\[Month\[s\]\] \[Year\] 2020 follow-along thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [November 3, 2020, 5:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618 "2020-11-03T05:36:01Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 262
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2020, 11:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/5230 "2020-11-09T23:19:59Z")
So sorry. I think I got fooled. Goddammit, and again my apologies. I had just read Trump filed an action in Pennsylvania to get an injunction against mail-in votes. I was struggling to make sense of the mixed messages, but… I seriously jumped the gun. Again, many apologies. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2020, 11:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/5231 "2020-11-09T23:21:13Z")
No worries. Probably the MSNBC chyron operator having a laugh. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Folly](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folly/32/3219_2.png) [@Folly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folly)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2020, 11:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/5232 "2020-11-09T23:21:29Z")
The interesting thing was that I immediately got fearful, not glad. Like it was some massive trick that was about to be perpetrated. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2020, 11:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/5233 "2020-11-09T23:22:21Z")
Yeah. It’s that feeling when you know something is deeply wrong but you can’t figure out what it is and are waiting for the shoe to drop. ---
**Author:** ![thorny\_locust](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thorny_locust/32/431_2.png) [@thorny\_locust](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thorny_locust)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2020, 11:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/5234 "2020-11-09T23:22:36Z")
> [@JKellyMap](#): > > Sorry. They’re just so famously run by Hasidic Jews — everyone who works in the store.it’s quite distinctive. In this case, I promise, it was just a way of giving some interesting detail to the outfit, like saying “the Met Life building, right on top of Grand Central Station,” or “Cirque du Soleil, the French Canadian performance troupe” Ah, OK. Mentioning Jews in the context of conspiracy theories sets off my alarm systems, that’s all. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2020, 11:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/5235 "2020-11-09T23:22:56Z")
> [@thorny\_locust](#): > > Nope. Not if McConnell is in charge; he just won’t bring it to the floor, and they’ll get no chance to vote. You’re right. Still, it’s a big signal that some in the Senate have had enough. I don’t think McConnell can’t count on their support as much as before. ---
**Author:** ![Boycott](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boycott/32/6741_2.png) [@Boycott](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boycott)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2020, 11:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/5236 "2020-11-09T23:25:19Z")
Former Vice President Dan Quayle (who lost re-election with George HW Bush in 1992): > “You know, it’s tough in defeat. Unfortunately, we were the last incumbent president to lose, and it’s not easy,” he said. “But we’ve had enough time to look at what’s going on, there have been a lot of allegations they continue to investigate, but from my viewpoint, I don’t think there’s any systemic fraud. It’s time to move on, and therefore I hope that there’s some sort of announcement from the White House sooner rather than later.” ---
**Author:** ![xanthous](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/x/53a042/32.png) [@xanthous](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/xanthous)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2020, 11:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/5237 "2020-11-09T23:25:21Z")
It was a successful “communications systems check” for me, that I didn’t go texting 10 people without pausing and verifying, so thanks, even though I so wish it were true! 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Folly](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folly/32/3219_2.png) [@Folly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folly)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2020, 11:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/5238 "2020-11-09T23:25:40Z")
> [@JKellyMap](#): > > I think they were just ordering camera equipment from a Jewish-run store in New York. All I know about them is that they are every other ad on youtube for me. ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2020, 11:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/5239 "2020-11-09T23:26:27Z")
For those who would like some help to get off the ledge, here’s an encouraging summary from the WaPo (non-paywalled election coverage) [Trump’s a big 0-for-5 in court](https://apple.news/AY9K0jBWVQhaBqaCqqDacxA) ---
**Author:** ![lobotomyboy63](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobotomyboy63/32/2900_2.png) [@lobotomyboy63](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lobotomyboy63)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2020, 11:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/5240 "2020-11-09T23:27:41Z")
Awhile back, I read “The Fifth Risk.” The author says that normally, you’d expect the Presdent-elect to do what Biden is trying to do right now—start to transition. The new appointees get the baton from the guys who have been doing their job for the past four years, and it’s like a shift change—here’s the status quo, watch out for this, remember to do that, etc. Hopefully that way the government can continue smoothly, without missing a beat. Only Trump and hs people didn’t know what they were doing and didn’t care. > [@](#): > > According to one of his advisers, few Americans had less interest in the federal government than Trump. He ignored advice on “people staff [his] administration” after he was elected. His close advisor at the time, Steve Bannon, is quoted as complaining “Holy f–k, this guy doesn’t know anything. And he doesn’t give a s–t” (p. 30). (I swapped – for the two asterisks). More here: > **[Book Review | The Fifth Risk: Undoing Democracy, by Michael Lewis](https://www.independent.org/publications/tir/article.asp?id=1406)** > > Reviewed by Dwight R. Lee | The Fifth Risk can be thought of as a book to celebrate the dedicated government employees who labor in obscurity to make all of us safer. Michael Lewis's main motivation, however, is to convince readers that government... The reviewer’s conclusion surprised me. > [@](#): > > If this book represents the best Lewis can do making a case against the Trump administration, he should forget about politics and stick with books on sports, such as he did with baseball ( _Moneyball_ ) and football ( _The__Blind Side_ ). Also, in sports better people really do make better teams. On the other hand [Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Fifth_Risk) says: > [@](#): > > The book spent fourteen weeks on _[The New York Times](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_New_York_Times)_ non-fiction [best-seller list](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_New_York_Times_best_seller_list).[[6]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Fifth_Risk#cite_note-6) A lengthy excerpt from the book was published twice by [The Guardian](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Guardian),[[7]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Fifth_Risk#cite_note-7) using a quote from a top adviser to Trump in the title. > [@](#): > > [Barack](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama) and [Michelle Obama](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michelle_Obama) acquired the rights to the book for a possible [Netflix](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netflix) series about the [U.S. government](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_government_of_the_United_States).[[8]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Fifth_Risk#cite_note-8) Anyway, a certain amount of Trump dragging his feet may come from stalling so the incoming people won’t realize and publicize that four years later Trump’s appointees still don’t know or care. Or they may not be done plundering and pillaging just yet. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2020, 11:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/5241 "2020-11-09T23:31:22Z")
You all are being very kind, and I appreciate it. I feel like 2 cents waiting for change. I’m not worried about Trump prevailing in his lawsuits, but I am worried about the Trump Cabal whipping up Teh Base while Republicans traitorously refuse to acknowledge what is true. When I saw the misleading banner/Trump at podium, I had actually sat down to post this link: > **[Why Trump Can’t Afford to Lose](https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2020/11/09/why-trump-cant-afford-to-lose)** > > The President has survived one impeachment, twenty-six accusations of sexual misconduct, and an estimated four thousand lawsuits. What happens when his Presidential immunity is gone? I think it is very insightful on what we should in fact expect. Michael Cohen’s comments are particularly prescient. Thanks again to all for being kind about my big bloof. ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2020, 11:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/5242 "2020-11-09T23:32:06Z")
> [@Folly](#): > > Well, he just tweeted about Michigan election fraud so… Here’s the court document: > **[election-crimes-lawsuit.pdf](https://townsquare.media/site/656/files/2020/11/election-crimes-lawsuit.pdf)** > > 5.46 MB ---
**Author:** ![Biffster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biffster/32/339_2.png) [@Biffster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffster)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2020, 11:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/5243 "2020-11-09T23:33:34Z")
> [@Marvin\_the\_Martian](#): > > Also relevant: The character who tells him to “Sit down and never open your mouth again” is (at that point) _on the same side_ - voting guilty - but not wanting support for his POV from a racist. Good point. If only simple reason could persuade everyone. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2020, 11:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/5244 "2020-11-09T23:36:44Z")
Sorry for the confusion, I made a new thread about what I fear this action implied: > [@The American Coup: 11.9.2020 -](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182): > > thinking Trump fired his Secretary of Defense, replaced Esper with Chris Miller. This is a totally normal thing for an outgoing President to prioritize. Esper then says, in an interview in Military Times, that for the George Floyd protests he (Esper) would not support Trump’s desire to invoke the Insurrection Act against the Floyd protesters: [[Google Photos] ](https://photos.app.goo.gl/9xqbCpACp8jJAxHG6) We know if you’re Donald Trump and you want troops on the streets for a Portland police stat… ---
**Author:** ![Folly](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folly/32/3219_2.png) [@Folly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folly)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2020, 11:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/5245 "2020-11-09T23:41:11Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > Here’s the court document: Well, I read the first allegation about Forging ballots on the Qualified Voter List. All the proof provided was that he was not allowed to stand over the shoulder of the pollworker operating the pollbook. I’ll read the other allegations later when I can bring my eyes into an un-rolled position. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2020, 11:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/5246 "2020-11-09T23:45:33Z")
> [@Aspenglow](#): > > Thanks again to all for being kind about my big bloof. Were you at least drunk? 🙃 ---
**Author:** ![Fiendish\_Astronaut](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fiendish_astronaut/32/3295_2.png) [@Fiendish\_Astronaut](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiendish_Astronaut)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2020, 11:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/5247 "2020-11-09T23:46:06Z")
Update from today’s counts: **Arizona** Biden’s margin is down to 15,432 with 76,292 votes remaining to be counted. Trump needs to win 60.3% of the remaining votes. If you look at the last 30k votes counted Trump has only averaged 55.7% but there are some counties where he can win by a much bigger margin. However Pima County still has a large number to count which should favour Biden (or least be more equal). It’s still in the balance but you wouldn’t want to bet against the President Elect. **Georgia** Biden has stretched his lead to a clear 11,414. I did say on Wednesday this would be a 10k win! It’s not clear how many votes are left to count but it’s probably not bigger than 20k. What remains are overseas military and provisional ballots. **Nevada** This has been called now by everyone. Biden’s margin is 36,186. For shits and giggles we can work out what Trump needs from the remaining 66k votes: 78% **North Carolina** Trump’s lead is 75,152. The last 30k votes have averaged 63.9% to Biden, however he needs 70.3% to overturn the lead and there are 187,459 votes left to count. A lot of those remaining votes do however come from urban areas like Orange County which have heavily favoured Biden. Nobody is suggesting Biden can win this but neither is anybody sure enough to call it. Biden will certainly close the gap. **Pennsylvania** Biden’s margin is 45,313 with 55,192 left to count. Trump needs a whopping 90.8% of the remaining votes or something dramatic in a courtroom. **Alaska** Trump has stretched his commanding lead with the first batch to be announced since election day. He won that batch with 58.9% of the votes taking his advantage to 54,598. There are 175,036 votes left to count and Biden needs 66.3% of them to win. All of them are mail in and absentee ballots. I have no idea about this one but nobody seems to be suggesting that Biden can get what it takes. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2020, 11:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/5248 "2020-11-09T23:53:26Z")
> [@thorny\_locust](#): > > At what point does it become the New Administration Follow-Along Thread? We already have one of those: > [@The Biden Administration - the first 1,500 days \[NOT an Afghanistan discussion\]](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-biden-administration-the-first-1-500-days/925057): > > Okay, I’m gonna do it. The clusterfuck is over and will be dismantled. What will take its place? What will Biden do? What should he do? What do you want him to do? President-elect Joe Biden is planning to quickly sign a series of executive orders after being sworn into office on Jan. 20, immediately forecasting that the country’s politics have shifted and that his presidency will be guided by radically different priorities. He will rejoin the Paris climate accords, according to those close… ---
**Author:** ![squidfood](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a87d85/32.png) [@squidfood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/squidfood)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2020, 11:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/5249 "2020-11-09T23:58:28Z")
> [@Fiendish\_Astronaut](#): > > **Pennsylvania** > Biden’s margin is 45,313 with 55,192 left to count. Trump needs a whopping 90.8% of the remaining votes or something dramatic in a courtroom. Do we know if this includes the sequestered late-arriving ballots? Last I heard that number was low (\<5,000) and they were being “counted” but I’m not finding any info on whether they’re included in the count or whether there were more than that in the end. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618.md?page=261) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618.md?page=263)