# Election Day \[Week\]\[Month\[s\]\] \[Year\] 2020 follow-along thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [November 3, 2020, 5:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618 "2020-11-03T05:36:01Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 309
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2020, 4:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/6170 "2020-11-16T16:17:56Z")
> [@Ann\_Hedonia](#): > > One of the complaints in Arizona seemed to be legitimate and it could’ve been an issue if the vote difference was less than 200 votes. It seems to have been an operator instruction error with a tabulation machine and that when the machine registered an error due to an over vote, the operators would press a button that _cleared_ the error and nullified the votes in the over voted race instead of giving the voter a chance to cure. I haven’t voted in person for years but when I was, you’d feed your ballot into a machine that could draw it in, flash a green light, and put in a sealed ballot box. I asked the poll worked who was standing by it if it was _counting_ the votes and he said, “Naw, it’s just checking for over-votes.” Sure enough, one time the person behind me fed in his ballot, the light flashed red, and the ballot came out into the hands of the worker who glanced at a display and said, “You have too many votes for Corporate Commissioner,” and handed it back to the voter. I would imagine there was an override if the voter didn’t care. ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2020, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/6171 "2020-11-16T16:22:31Z")
That was the issue exactly, as I understood it. Some voter complained that they weren’t told what the red light meant or given a chance to correct, the poll workers just did what they had to do to override it. Of course, I think even the most addled Trump supporter should’ve been able to figure out how to vote for Trump without also casting a vote for Biden. It _really_ wasn’t that hard. ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2020, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/6172 "2020-11-16T16:30:31Z")
Hmmm. The one I witnessed, the ballot came back out right away – it wasn’t waiting there for the poll worker to make a decision. I figured – without seeing it – the worker would have to push an override button before feeding the ballot in a second time. This was six or eight years ago and the ballots were different back then, so the very manufacturer might be different. At that time you filled in a gap between an arrowhead and tail pointing to the candidate’s name; with current ballots it’s fill in a bubble. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2020, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/6173 "2020-11-16T16:47:11Z")
> [@DesertDog](#): > > Oddly enough (or perhaps not) the more conservative guy on the afternoon-drive program I’d listen to on the way home from work during the Obama administration would levy the same accusation at Obama, “He loves the parking space but hates the gig.” And the same people said Obama was born in Kenya. When it comes to work ethic I will happily pit Obama against Trump any day (Bush the younger too). ---
**Author:** ![SuntanLotion](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suntanlotion/32/16165_2.png) [@SuntanLotion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SuntanLotion)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2020, 5:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/6174 "2020-11-16T17:22:52Z")
Do you think Trump Really knows hes hurting Americans by not helping Biden transition? Its hard to believe anyone could be that noncaring. My maga(former)friend says they will never surrender. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2020, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/6175 "2020-11-16T18:09:24Z")
I do. I think that is what he wants. Trump is deeply vindictive. If he can hurt people he thinks slighted him he does that. ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2020, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/6176 "2020-11-16T18:25:02Z")
> [@SuntanLotion](#): > > Its hard to believe anyone could be that noncaring. This is a man who built his business career on screwing over business partners and customers (including over extremely petty stuff), who has a long track record of pretty much not actually caring about anyone except himself (and maybe his immediate family), and who is incredibly, maybe pathologically, vindictive. I have no problem believing that he could be that non-caring. ---
**Author:** ![JKellyMap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jkellymap/32/15880_2.png) [@JKellyMap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKellyMap)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2020, 7:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/6177 "2020-11-16T19:00:35Z")
> [@kenobi\_65](#): > > I have no problem believing that he could be that non-caring That’s why the “c-word” was so funny in the Bad Lip Reading! ---
**Author:** ![robby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robby/32/11048_2.png) [@robby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/robby)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2020, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/6178 "2020-11-16T19:03:38Z")
> [@SuntanLotion](#): > > Do you think Trump Really knows hes hurting Americans by not helping Biden transition? Its hard to believe anyone could be that noncaring. My maga(former)friend says they will never surrender. It’s undeniable that Trump doesn’t care about the country or the American people he purports to lead. He has now completely checked out on all presidential job responsibilities. The biggest crisis of his presidency was and still is the coronavirus, but he hasn’t met with his task force in months. Another financial stimulus is vitally needed, a fact that both Republicans and Democrats agree on (they just disagree on how big it should be), but he has not lifted a finger to help resolve the impasse. But Trump isn’t just uncaring. Trump is actively malevolent and wants to punish America for not re-electing him. If that means another [70,000 Americans will die between now and January 20th](https://www.usnews.com/news/top-news/articles/2020-11-13/before-biden-inauguration-70-000-more-americans-could-die-from-covid-19), then so be it. I recently re-watched [Downfall](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Downfall_(2004_film)), which portrays the last days of Hitler and is the source of countless internet parodies. Toward the end, Hitler proclaims that the German people do not deserve to survive, that they have failed him by losing the war and must perish. That is the direction that Trump is heading. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2020, 7:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/6179 "2020-11-16T19:05:32Z")
> [@robby](#): > > Toward the end, Hitler proclaims that the German people do not deserve to survive, that they have failed him by losing the war and must perish. This is, incidentally, not at all a fictionalization. Hitler truly believed this, and said it many times. It’s a cornerstone belief of Nazism itself; all peoples are in a state of war with one another, and if they survive they deserve to and if they don’t they deserve that too. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2020, 7:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/6180 "2020-11-16T19:12:22Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > …all peoples are in a state of war with one another, and if they survive they deserve to and if they don’t they deserve that too. This is quite trumpian. He has said that his management style (excuse the expression) is to cause chaos among his staff-- to pit them against each other. He believes that the best ideas spontaneously emerge when he stirs the flaming cauldron while pouring gasoline into it. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2020, 7:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/6181 "2020-11-16T19:20:30Z")
A homemade AR 15? ---
**Author:** ![Marvin\_the\_Martian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/marvin_the_martian/32/2898_2.png) [@Marvin\_the\_Martian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marvin_the_Martian)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2020, 7:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/6182 "2020-11-16T19:25:47Z")
Even Hitler had Albert Speer - an insider who deliberately disobeyed and sabotaged the [Nero Decree](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nero_Decree) calling for the destruction of German infrastructure. So far no one in Trump’s inner circle is stepping forward. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2020, 7:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/6183 "2020-11-16T19:40:54Z")
We might have to wait for a round of prison books to really know what’s happening these days in the White House. (I’m sure Albert Speer’s efforts were not known at the time) ---
**Author:** ![Peter\_Morris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/peter_morris/32/359_2.png) [@Peter\_Morris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peter_Morris)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2020, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/6184 "2020-11-16T19:54:08Z")
> [@Marvin\_the\_Martian](#): > > So far no one in Trump’s inner circle is stepping forward. Are you sure? If someone _wanted_ to undermine Trump, they couldn’t do a better job of it than Rudy Giuliani. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2020, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/6185 "2020-11-16T19:56:19Z")
> [@Peter\_Morris](#): > > Are you sure? If someone _wanted_ to undermine Trump, they couldn’t do a better job of it than Rudy Giuliani. How can you undermine Trump? For four years Trump has undermined himself and only got more popular. I am not sure what more anyone else could do. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2020, 8:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/6186 "2020-11-16T20:04:35Z")
It has begun in Nevada: > **[Trump attacks Vegas-area certification of Biden election win](https://apnews.com/article/election-2020-joe-biden-donald-trump-coronavirus-pandemic-reno-ab0ff2951aa8ab364697fa68669d08b9)** > > LAS VEGAS (AP) — As officials in Nevada’s most populous counties certified results of the Nov. 3 election, President Donald Trump took to Twitter on Monday with a new attack on the vote that gave Democratic candidate Joe Biden a 33,596-vote statewide... ---
**Author:** ![eschrodinger](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschrodinger/32/122_2.png) [@eschrodinger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschrodinger)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2020, 8:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/6187 "2020-11-16T20:05:44Z")
[[Album] imgur.com ![](https://i.imgur.com/6hiOXls.jpeg?fb "imgur.com") ](https://imgur.com/a/BFk9QcH) Is there a way to get the whole image to show up? ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2020, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/6188 "2020-11-16T20:07:44Z")
> [@Procrustus](#): > > I’m sure Albert Speer’s efforts were not known at the time Speer’s efforts may not have existed at the time. Speer started claiming he was apolitical after the war - when it was advantageous for him to do so. He was helped by the fact that he was still alive and most of the other top Nazis were dead; he could tell his version of events without fear of rebuttal. So it’s ironic how Speer’s death triggered a backlash against his postwar redemption. People began going back to the wartime records and comparing them to what Speer had later claimed and found a lot of discrepancies. It’s now the historical consensus that Speer was fully aware of the Nazi program (including the Holocaust) and actively supported it right up until the end of the war. You had two groups of people running Germany during the Nazi era. Those like Hitler and Himmler and Goebbels, who really believed the Jews were evil and worked on killing them. And those like Goering and Bormann and Speer who didn’t have any particular hostility towards the Jews but were willing to kill millions of Jews if it advanced their own careers. ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2020, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/6189 "2020-11-16T20:08:37Z")
> [@eschrodinger](#): > > Is there a way to get the whole image to show up? Click on it. Good stuff. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618.md?page=308) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618.md?page=310)