# Election Day \[Week\]\[Month\[s\]\] \[Year\] 2020 follow-along thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [November 3, 2020, 5:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618 "2020-11-03T05:36:01Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 312
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2020, 3:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/6230 "2020-11-17T03:35:38Z")
[![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/LukyMYp2noo/maxresdefault.jpg "Sad Trombone Wah Wah Wah Fail Sound Effect") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LukyMYp2noo) Like these? ---
**Author:** ![Heffalump\_and\_Roo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/heffalump_and_roo/32/7691_2.png) [@Heffalump\_and\_Roo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Heffalump_and_Roo)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2020, 4:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/6231 "2020-11-17T04:00:01Z")
Biden’s talk about the transition. I wish Biden would do more of these talks so he could drown out the nonsense coming from the White House. Biden talks about meeting with corporate leaders to help boost the economy, some of his plans on covid. He was asked about student debt forgiveness and said that was in his plan. He also talked about Thanksgiving and how he’s planning on handling his Thanksgiving with masking, social distancing and testing. [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/TcJNE-3iVp0/maxresdefault.jpg "President-elect Joe Biden delivers remarks on the economy | USA TODAY") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TcJNE-3iVp0) ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2020, 4:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/6232 "2020-11-17T04:41:02Z")
Michigan news: > **[Michigan court rejects appeal over counting ballots](https://apnews.com/michigan-court-rejects-appeal-over-counting-ballots-a2bf48c435b56b77586ec053667f6a26)** > > An effort to stop the certification of Detroit-area votes from the Nov. 3 election has been rejected by the Michigan appeals court. > [@](#): > > The court wasn’t convinced that a Wayne County judge made “manifest error” in refusing to stop the work of county canvassers, who must certify the votes this week and notify the state. > > The appeal was rejected, 3-0. ---
**Author:** ![Heffalump\_and\_Roo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/heffalump_and_roo/32/7691_2.png) [@Heffalump\_and\_Roo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Heffalump_and_Roo)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2020, 4:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/6233 "2020-11-17T04:57:56Z")
I might have missed this, but who is paying for these lawsuits about alleged voter fraud that are getting dismissed left and right? I heard on a newscast today that there have been at least 24-25 of them. Are the taxpayers paying for this? ---
**Author:** ![Biffster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biffster/32/339_2.png) [@Biffster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffster)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2020, 5:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/6234 "2020-11-17T05:22:16Z")
Supposedly that’s what his Orangeness is fundraising for. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2020, 5:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/6235 "2020-11-17T05:22:24Z")
I thought that these are (mostly?) paid for by the campaign. ---
**Author:** ![Heffalump\_and\_Roo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/heffalump_and_roo/32/7691_2.png) [@Heffalump\_and\_Roo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Heffalump_and_Roo)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2020, 5:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/6236 "2020-11-17T05:36:11Z")
> [@Biffster](#): > > Supposedly that’s what his Orangeness is fundraising fo > [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > I thought that these are (mostly?) paid for by the campaign. Thanks. Glad this is not taxpayer funded. No wonder he has such a big debt to pay for his campaign. ---
**Author:** ![GreenWyvern](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/greenwyvern/32/2834_2.png) [@GreenWyvern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GreenWyvern)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2020, 11:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/6237 "2020-11-17T11:15:30Z")
So Trump thought about a military strike against Iran last week… > **[Trump Sought Options for Attacking Iran to Stop Its Growing Nuclear Program...](https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/16/us/politics/trump-iran-nuclear.html)** > > The president was dissuaded from moving ahead with a strike by advisers who warned that it could escalate into a broader conflict in his last weeks in office. > A range of senior advisers dissuaded the president from moving ahead with a military strike. The advisers — including Vice President Mike Pence; Secretary of State Mike Pompeo; Christopher C. Miller, the acting defense secretary; and Gen. Mark A. Milley, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff — warned that a strike against Iran’s facilities could easily escalate into a broader conflict in the last weeks of Mr. Trump’s presidency. At least there are still some sane people around him, but who knows what he will try in the coming weeks, if he gets more desperate? ---
**Author:** ![JKellyMap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jkellymap/32/15880_2.png) [@JKellyMap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKellyMap)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2020, 12:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/6238 "2020-11-17T12:25:45Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > convictions Hahahaha ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2020, 2:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/6239 "2020-11-17T14:26:50Z")
> [@GreenWyvern](#): > > So Trump thought about a military strike against Iran last week… I’m just worried about what else is on his “To Do” list for the next two months. ---
**Author:** ![TroutMan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/troutman/32/6721_2.png) [@TroutMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TroutMan)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2020, 2:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/6240 "2020-11-17T14:33:00Z")
Unfortunately, first up is quickly selling off drilling rights in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge before Biden takes office. > **[Trump Administration Rushes To Sell Oil Rights In Arctic National Wildlife...](https://www.npr.org/2020/11/16/935527352/trump-administration-rushes-to-sell-oil-rights-in-arctic-national-wildlife-refug)** > > Officials hope to auction off leases before President-elect Joe Biden takes office. He has pledged to protect the pristine landscape that's home to polar bears and migrating caribou. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2020, 3:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/6241 "2020-11-17T15:11:27Z")
> [@Heffalump\_and\_Roo](#): > > Thanks. Glad this is not taxpayer funded. No wonder he has such a big debt to pay for his campaign. Tax payers aren’t funding this (as noted) but his donors think they are paying for recounts. They (mostly) aren’t. Some few dollars is paying for an attorney to file a shit case but that costs peanuts in the scheme of things. The rest of the money is being used for other purposes: > **[Where Trump’s recount fundraising dollars are really going](https://www.politico.com/news/2020/11/12/trump-fraud-claims-fundraising-436188)** > > Money raised to pay for recounts goes to covering campaign debts, funding future political activities and boosting like-minded figures. > **[Perspective | Trump tells his donors they’re paying for recounts. They aren’t.](https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2020/11/13/trump-fundraising-pac-recount/)** > > The president is mostly raising money for a post-White House leadership PAC. ---
**Author:** ![SuntanLotion](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suntanlotion/32/16165_2.png) [@SuntanLotion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SuntanLotion)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2020, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/6242 "2020-11-17T16:00:40Z")
I finally had to block my former friend, who is pro trump. I asked him about trumps failure to help the transition as hurting people. He said" installing a criminal communist is good? If so, I support Satanism." He also claimed hundreds of millions have died from restrictions instead of the virus. Theres no reasoning with his supporters. ---
**Author:** ![Tamerlane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tamerlane/32/7602_2.png) [@Tamerlane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tamerlane)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2020, 5:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/6243 "2020-11-17T17:13:16Z")
> [@SuntanLotion](#): > > He also claimed hundreds of millions have died from restrictions instead of the virus. Hundreds of millions? Yeah, they’re insane. Even worldwide that would be cloud-cuckoo nuts. If they mean in the U.S. they should probably be in an institute for their own sake. There are only about 328 million in the U.S. - subtract plural hundreds of millions and over 2/3 of us are dead. I suspect that would be hard to cover up 🙂. ---
**Author:** ![Malden\_Capell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/malden_capell/32/5274_2.png) [@Malden\_Capell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malden_Capell)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2020, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/6244 "2020-11-17T17:19:37Z")
And _you_ fell for the cover-up! ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2020, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/6245 "2020-11-17T17:21:29Z")
The Deep State has buried all the bodies beneath a pizza parlor in Washington D.C. They’ll tell you there is no basement but they are clearly lying. ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2020, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/6246 "2020-11-17T17:26:12Z")
They’re obviously in a basement in San Antonio instead. ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2020, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/6247 "2020-11-17T17:29:39Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > A homemade AR 15? One can buy “85%” receivers and finish them off with some machining – a lot more than the so-called kitchen table gun smithing. The chief advantage is that they would have no serial number. I’m not sure how much this would mean to a couple QAnon-yahoos who were presumably planning on going out in a blaze of glory. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2020, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/6248 "2020-11-17T17:45:16Z")
> [@Ludovic](#): > > They’re obviously in a basement in San Antonio instead. We don’t really have basements here… okay, _some_ buildings do. ---
**Author:** ![Max\_S](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/46a35a/32.png) [@Max\_S](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Max_S)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2020, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/6249 "2020-11-17T17:45:33Z")
> [@Railer13](#): > > I looked at that case. Plaintiff alleged that the State of Michigan counted absentee ballots without observers present, and that early-ballot drop boxes did not have video surveillance. How does that allege fraud? Am I looking at the right case? The allegations are there and fraud is specifically mentioned. > **Details** > > From [the complaint](https://cdn.donaldjtrump.com/public-files/press_assets/1.-11-10-20-trump-v.-benson-w.d.-mich.-complaint-final.pdf), heading I. > > > “I. Secretary Benson and Wayne County election officials did not follow Michigan’s Election Code and allowed fraud and incompetence to corrupt the conduct of the 2020 general election.” > > Pages 16 to 19 contain the actual, specific _allegations_. Under heading I.C.ii, > > > “ii. Ineligible ballots were counted – some multiple times.” > > > “Challenger Patricia Rose stated she observed a stack of about fifty ballots being fed multiple times into a ballot scanner counting machine. Id. (Rose aff. ¶¶4-14).” > > > “Challenger Articia Bomer stated, ‘I observed a station where election workers were working on scanned ballots that had issues that needed to be manually corrected. I believe some of these workers were changing votes that had been cast for Donald Trump and other Republican candidates.’ Id. (Bomer aff. ¶9). Articia Bomer further stated that she witnessed the same group of ballots being rescanned into the counting machine ‘at least five times.’ Id. ¶12.” > > > “Many challengers reported that when a voter was not in the poll book, the election officials would enter a new record for that voter with a birth date of January 1, 1900. Exhibit 1 (Gaicobazzi aff. ¶10; Piontek aff. ¶10; Cizmer aff. ¶8(F); Wirsing aff., p. 1; Cassin aff. ¶9; Langer aff. ¶3; Harris aff. ¶3; Brigmon aff. ¶5; Sherer aff. ¶¶10-11; Henderson aff. ¶9; Early ¶16; Klamer aff. ¶13; Shock aff. ¶8; M. Seely aff. ¶9). See also id. (Gorman aff. ¶¶23-26; Chopjian aff. ¶12; Ungar aff. ¶15; Valden aff. ¶17). Braden Gaicobazzi reported that a stack of thirty-five ballots was counted even though there was no voter record. Id. (Giacobazzi aff. ¶10).” > > > “At least one challenger observed poll workers adding marks to a ballot where there was no mark for any candidate. Id. (Tyson aff. ¶17).” > > > “Another challenger observed election officials making mistakes when duplicating ballots. Id. (Piontek aff. ¶9).” > > > “An election challenger at the Detroit Department of Elections office observed passengers in cars dropping off more ballots than there were people in the car. Exhibit 1 (Meyers aff. ¶3). This challenger also observed election workers at the Detroit Department of Elections office handing t-shirts and food to voters in cars. Id. ¶4. This challenger also observed an election worker accepting a ballot after 8:00 p.m. on Election Day. Id. ¶7.” > > > “One Michigan voter stated that her deceased son has been recorded as voting twice since he passed away, most recently in the 2020 general election. Exhibit 1 (Chase aff. ¶3).” > > They also cite a previous lawsuit filed by the Great Lakes Justice Center (_Costantino, et al. v. City of Detroit, et al._, Circuit Court of Wayne County), which itself alleges that the Detroit Election Commission > > - “systematically processed and counted ballots from voters whose name failed to appear in either the Qualified Voter File (QVF) or in the supplemental sheets”, > - “instructed election workers to not verify signatures on absentee ballots, to backdate absentee ballots, and to process such ballots regardless of their validity”, > - “instructed election workers to process ballots that appeared after the election deadline and to falsely report that those ballots had been received prior to November 3, 2020 deadline”, and > - "systematically used false information to process ballots, such as using incorrect or false birthdays,” including inserting “new names into the QVF after the election and recorded these new voters as having a birthdate of 1/1/1900.” I haven’t bothered to check out that second lawsuit or the underlying affadavits (I suspect that if we are dealing with fraud, it would be isolated incidents and not something systemic), nonetheless I think these qualify as _allegations_ of fraud. ~Max [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618.md?page=311) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618.md?page=313)