# Election Day \[Week\]\[Month\[s\]\] \[Year\] 2020 follow-along thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [November 3, 2020, 5:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618 "2020-11-03T05:36:01Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 323
**Author:** ![Jas09](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/d07c76/32.png) [@Jas09](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jas09)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2020, 2:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/6451 "2020-11-19T14:56:46Z")
> [@Cardigan](#): > > There’s got to be some payoff here in the future. What could it possibly be? > [@beowulff](#): > > The “plan” is to delay certification until the deadline is past, and then get the state legislators to simply submit the own slate of Electors, ignoring the vote, I’m going to quibble a little bit here, but I could be wrong. I think what @beowulff highlighted is the _stated plan_. And they will definitely encourage as many low-level flunkies (like the two Wayne County officials) to go along with that plan. They will continue to file/modify/withdraw/re-file as many lawsuits as possible to slow things down and paint the veneer of “contested election”. But I don’t think there is actually a plan to have legislators submit alternate electors. They all know that won’t happen unless lawsuits succeed (and even then I don’t think elected officials will do that). The plan is to _make it seem_ like that should happen, and then rail when it doesn’t that the election was stolen for you. Play up the greivance for four years and then try again. Or just monetize the grievance for as long as you can. The fact that it undermines faith in the entire democratic system is either a feature or just an unimportant by-product. The horrible thing is this is the _best case_ outcome. Them actually hoping that and planning for state legislatures will overturn the will of the people is much, much scarier. ---
**Author:** ![beowulff](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beowulff/32/542_2.png) [@beowulff](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/beowulff)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2020, 2:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/6452 "2020-11-19T14:59:43Z")
[Trump’s superpower](https://www.huffpost.com/entry/chris-hayes-donald-trump-steal-the-2020-election_n_5fb63171c5b66cd4ad41e2bf?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAFjC5aGlTeRkN6d3eKpeWPRHdFKFx_ziOBvMbMRCUr1XwYXOhgbN5yRx3emi-Bz7bG0WaEvqQctz0126MuqgvXRm9E3-VKrWV5t_JUAkKVnoIgPMhKlHJ-znJTcP5CLfs1wpDDB8Js3jwUSgk1i5pmQfRHL4Qlfshpf8aktULtin). ---
**Author:** ![Railer13](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/railer13/32/9742_2.png) [@Railer13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Railer13)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2020, 3:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/6453 "2020-11-19T15:05:28Z")
> [@psychobunny](#): > > I am hoping that the states start officially certifying their results soon. According to [Ballotpedia](https://ballotpedia.org/Election_results_certification_dates,_2020): > As of November 19, 2020: > > - Election result certification dates had passed in **13 states** > - Election result certification dates had not passed in **37 states** Of those 13 states, 9 have certified their results. In 3 of the remaining 4, the date was yesterday, so presumably the certification will be forthcoming. The 4th state is Louisiana, where the certification date was November 10. No word on why it’s delayed or hasn’t been released. Of the remaining 37 states, the deadline ranges from 11/20 through 12/11, except for 3 states where the date is ‘unspecified’, which are Hawaii, Tennessee, and Rhode Island. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2020, 3:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/6454 "2020-11-19T15:06:58Z")
> [@Northern\_Piper](#): > > I’m simply saying that you can’t assume someone is cheating because they support one or the other of the presidential candiates. I don’t see anyone as saying the fact he supports Trump proves he is willing to cheat for him. The evidence is that (1) he ran for an office where he explicitly states his goals are to assure Trump will win (2) that he refused to certify (and is now trying to rescind the certification) the vote when Trump lost. Action 1 suggests the purpose of action 2 was to try and help defraud the election. If he had never attempted action 2, no one would have thought anything of action 1. But, since he did, it looks a more like “assure Trump wins” was his intended goal for being in position to certify the vote. ---
**Author:** ![Skypist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skypist/32/169_2.png) [@Skypist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skypist)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2020, 3:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/6455 "2020-11-19T15:08:01Z")
> [@psychobunny](#): > > I am getting tired of going out on the ledge then coming back in again. I am hoping that the states start officially certifying their results soon. It just bothers me how much our democracy apparently has relied on people’s good will and integrity. Me too. I’m back out in the ledge, I think. I read an article saying that those Wayne county affidavits of wishing to rescind certification could be used in the ongoing lawsuits to “prove” foul play and that an audit needs to be done. ---
**Author:** ![JKellyMap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jkellymap/32/15880_2.png) [@JKellyMap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKellyMap)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2020, 3:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/6456 "2020-11-19T15:12:28Z")
> [@Jas09](#): > > The plan is to _make it seem_ like that should happen, and then rail when it doesn’t that the election was stolen for you. Play up the greivance for four years and then try again. Exactly. Well put. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2020, 3:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/6457 "2020-11-19T15:19:42Z")
> [@psychobunny](#): > > I am getting tired of going out on the ledge then coming back in again. > [@Skypist](#): > > Me too. I’m back out in the ledge, I think. Ditto. It is a sad state of affairs when one can actually take _comfort_ from the following… > [@Jas09](#): > > The plan is to _make it seem_ like that should happen, and then rail when it doesn’t that the election was stolen for you. Play up the greivance for four years and then try again. Or just monetize the grievance for as long as you can. The fact that it undermines faith in the entire democratic system is either a feature or just an unimportant by-product. …which I agree with and believe is true. I think I’m just going to leave a cushion, some snacks, and a stack of magazines out on the ledge. I have a feeling I’ll be back there. 🙄 ---
**Author:** ![Bijou\_Drains](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bijou_drains/32/2814_2.png) [@Bijou\_Drains](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bijou_Drains)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2020, 3:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/6458 "2020-11-19T15:23:07Z")
Trump is probably doing a Howard Hughes where he stores urine in bottles and only talks to a few people in person. Like in the movie the Aviator and that part was true. Also the Hotel tried to kick Hughes out so he bought it . And he made them order years worth of his fav. ice cream , I think it was Banana Nut. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2020, 3:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/6459 "2020-11-19T15:24:13Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > I don’t see anyone as saying the fact he supports Trump proves he is willing to cheat for him. **Skypist** ( made that assertion, citing a Tweeter who said that: > [@Election Day \[Week\]\[Month\[s\]\] \[Year\] 2020 follow-along thread](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/6382): > > Seems the fool ran on openly cheating for Trump! > [@BigT](#): > > The evidence is that (1) he ran for an office where he explicitly states his goals are to assure Trump will win (2) that he refused to certify (and is now trying to rescind the certification) the vote when Trump lost. Action 1 suggests the purpose of action 2 was to try and help defraud the election. > > If he had never attempted action 2, no one would have thought anything of action 1. But, since he did, it looks a more like “assure Trump wins” was his intended goal for being in position to certify the vote. Except he wasn’t running for the office of County canvasser. He was running for the office of Vice-Chair of the 12th District Republican Party, and stated that he would support Trump for President. That seems entirely normal for someone running for a leadership position within the Michigan Republican party. He was at some point appointed to the Wayne County canvassing board by the County Board of Commissioners, as one of the two Republicans on the Board of Canvassers: [https://www.waynecounty.com/elected/clerk/board-of-canvassers.aspx](https://www.waynecounty.com/elected/clerk/board-of-canvassers.aspx) If you have a system where the canvassers are appointed precisely because of their partisan affiliation, you can’t assume that they will cheat because of their support for their candidate. That’s all I’m saying. ---
**Author:** ![Skypist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skypist/32/169_2.png) [@Skypist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skypist)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2020, 3:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/6460 "2020-11-19T15:27:42Z")
That was **Skywatcher** , not me 🥴 ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2020, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/6461 "2020-11-19T15:29:04Z")
My apologies! Quite right. I find it hard to do multiquotes on a big thread. ---
**Author:** ![tingbudong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tingbudong/32/520_2.png) [@tingbudong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tingbudong)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2020, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/6462 "2020-11-19T16:00:59Z")
Why are those guys such fucking cowards? It’s the same story with that postal worker. Flip flop, flip flop. Fuck them. ---
**Author:** ![Skypist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skypist/32/169_2.png) [@Skypist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skypist)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2020, 4:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/6463 "2020-11-19T16:01:50Z")
No problem. I find the quoting feature kind of confusing too. Well WaPo says “breaking news” - one of the Wayne County GOP officials that didn’t want to certify received a call from Trump. ---
**Author:** ![solost](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/solost/32/11776_2.png) [@solost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/solost)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2020, 4:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/6464 "2020-11-19T16:03:17Z")
> [@Skypist](#): > > Now those two GOP turkeys that tried not to certify the results in Wayne county have signed affidavits saying they wish to rescind their certification. They say they thought their recommendation that the results be audited was binding. Now they feel harassed and betrayed! 😪 It looks like it’s too late for them to rescind; I hope so. Looks like there’s a bit more to this shit-show: in between them reversing their attempt to block certification, then reversing their reversal and saying they wanted to rescind their vote, trump apparently reached out to them to congratulate them for their support. Key quote from the article: > A person familiar with the matter said Trump reached out to the canvassers, Monica Palmer and William Hartmann, on Tuesday evening after the revised vote to express gratitude for their support. Then, on Wednesday, Palmer and Hartmann signed affidavits saying they believe the county vote “should not be certified.” > **[Trump, allies make frantic steps to overturn Biden victory](https://apnews.com/article/trump-allies-try-overturn-biden-victory-29da6aac9cc41e47f3095855e7af7031)** > > WASHINGTON (AP) — President Donald Trump and his allies are taking increasingly frantic steps to subvert the results of the 2020 election, including summoning state legislators to the White House as part of a longshot bid to overturn Joe Biden’s... ---
**Author:** ![Skypist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skypist/32/169_2.png) [@Skypist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skypist)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2020, 4:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/6465 "2020-11-19T16:09:24Z")
Wow, wow, wow. What concerns me most is that if trump could get his own slate of electors, half the country wouldn’t even think democracy had been subverted because of course Dems cheated to get Biden the win. WHEN is Canada going to get off their butts and start letting in disenfranchised Americans before trump can put up a wall trapping us here? Only half kidding, man. ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2020, 4:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/6466 "2020-11-19T16:09:41Z")
RESOLVED: Susan Collins epitaph **must** read: > I believe that the president has learned from this case. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2020, 4:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/6467 "2020-11-19T16:19:04Z")
> [@Railer13](#): > > The 4th state is Louisiana, where the certification date was November 10. No word on why it’s delayed or hasn’t been released. I can only assume they’re concerned that maybe Biden is the true victor in Louisiana this year. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2020, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/6468 "2020-11-19T16:22:31Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > I look forward to **Dozens Mourn Death of Imprisoned Former President** I think I love you. > [@Marvin\_the\_Martian](#): > > Somebody should start a “Georgia Runoff 2021” thread. I would, but pretty much every thread I start dies off after a few posts. Here ya go: > [@Georgia senate runoff elections. Let’s debate and make predictions](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/georgia-senate-runoff-elections-let-s-debate-and-make-predictions/925015): > > Trump has gone down. Now it’s time to find out if the same can be done to McConnell’s senate leadership. The Georgia senate runoffs will be on 1/5/2021. Here are some relevant vote totals from recent elections in Georgia. 2016 POTUS race R - Trump - 2,089,104 D- Clinton - 1,877,963 2016 Senate race R - Isakson - 2,135,806 D - Barksdale - 1,599,726 2018 Governor’s race R - Kemp - 1,978,408 D - Abrams - 1,923,686 2020 POTUS race (11/7 1700 CST) D - Biden - 2,462,099 R - Trump - 2,45… ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2020, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/6469 "2020-11-19T16:23:57Z")
> [@Skypist](#): > > No problem. I find the quoting feature kind of confusing too. [Aside] Don’t know if this will help… As I’m reading through all the new posts that have happened after my last visit, when I see something I want to comment on, I highlight the text I want to quote and click the “quote” button. That places the text in the reply area at the bottom of the screen with the poster’s name. I read along some more and see something else I want to comment on, and do the same, highlight, click “quote” and the quote is copied into the reply area. You can continue doing this, collecting quotes in the reply area. Then when you’re ready to compose and post, go to the reply area (making the reply box BIGGER by dragging the dark boundary bar upwards by means of the double-tipped-arrow handle-- not sure what color it is in different skins-- in mine it’s dark blue). Then just insert your comments in between the saved quotes, deleting anything you’ve lost interest in. This is FAR superior to the system on the old board where you had to keep track of multi-quotes with your own faltering brain. [/aside] ---
**Author:** ![Skypist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skypist/32/169_2.png) [@Skypist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skypist)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2020, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/6470 "2020-11-19T16:39:25Z")
I tried to do that earlier today and it pasted the wrong thing, but it was probably something I did wrong. Maybe it’s because I’m on my phone these days, waiting for the verdict on my ailing computer. On the old board there was a multiquote button that I understood better, but I’m still working on getting the hang of this board. Anyway, I’m out here on the ledge with my phone and Diet Coke. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618.md?page=322) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618.md?page=324)