# Election Day \[Week\]\[Month\[s\]\] \[Year\] 2020 follow-along thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [November 3, 2020, 5:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618 "2020-11-03T05:36:01Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 328
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2020, 3:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/6552 "2020-11-20T03:27:02Z")
Well, dammit, they are right and we are wrong, there is massive criminal vote fraud: > **[Lindsey Graham’s Alleged Attempt to Toss Georgia Ballots Is Felony Election...](https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/11/lindsey-graham-brad-raffensperger-georgia-election-fraud.html)** > > If he weren’t a senator, Graham might be facing years in prison. _# Lindsey Graham’s Alleged Attempt to Toss Georgia Ballots Is Felony Election Fraud_ _## If he weren’t a senator, Graham might be facing years in prison, according to legal experts in Georgia… So far, however, the only individual credibly accused of a fraudulent effort to steal the election is South Carolina Sen. Lindsey Graham. On Monday, Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger—who, like Graham, is a Republican—[told the Washington Post](https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/brad-raffensperger-georgia-vote/2020/11/16/6b6cb2f4-283e-11eb-8fa2-06e7cbb145c0_story.html) that Graham asked him if he could throw out all mail ballots from counties with a high rate of signature mismatch. Raffensperger later [clarified](https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=m92ZEu00Pxw&ab_channel=TheChoice) that he believed Graham wanted his office to throw out valid, legally cast ballots. The senator has [contested](https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/graham-georgia-secretary-of-state-raffensberger-cant-explain) this account._ _Graham’s alleged request is unseemly and corrupt. But is it criminal? In short, yes, according to multiple Georgia election law experts. If Raffensperger’s account is true, there is virtually no doubt that Graham committed a crime under Georgia law._ So, yep, fraud-_criminal fraud_- by the republicans, of course. ---
**Author:** ![Spice\_Weasel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spice_weasel/32/5435_2.png) [@Spice\_Weasel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spice_Weasel)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2020, 3:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/6553 "2020-11-20T03:35:09Z")
Wait, Senators can’t be held criminally liable? I had no idea. ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2020, 3:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/6554 "2020-11-20T03:37:13Z")
> [@Spice\_Weasel](#): > > Wait, Senators can’t be held criminally liable? I Not that, so much as (quoting the article): > [@](#): > > Because he is a Republican and a sitting U.S. senator, Graham likely won’t face an investigation, let alone prosecution, for conduct that would get almost anyone else arrested. ---
**Author:** ![Marvin\_the\_Martian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/marvin_the_martian/32/2898_2.png) [@Marvin\_the\_Martian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marvin_the_Martian)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2020, 3:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/6555 "2020-11-20T03:38:50Z")
Trump is just being what he always has been - a fucking asshole: > **[Trump told ally he's trying to get back at Democrats for questioning...](https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/19/politics/trump-democrats-election/index.html)** > > President Donald Trump told an ally that he knows he lost, but that he is delaying the transition process and is aggressively trying to sow doubt about the election results in order to get back at Democrats for questioning the legitimacy of his own... He is making me very angry…I know I have an extra explosive space modulator around here somewhere…need a Trump-shattering kaboom… ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2020, 3:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/6556 "2020-11-20T03:53:23Z")
> [@Marvin\_the\_Martian](#): > > Trump is just being what he always has been - a fucking asshole: This is just birtherism for Biden. Delegitimize the president to pretend he isn’t “really” president or doesn’t deserve to be. Trump is the biggest loser in American history. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2020, 4:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/6557 "2020-11-20T04:00:04Z")
> [@Boycott](#): > > I heard something implicating Hugo Chavez in that press conference. What, they didn’t mention Generalissimo Francisco Franco? He’s at least as dead as Chavez. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2020, 4:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/6558 "2020-11-20T04:09:04Z")
This is the joke I love today. [“No, I was in in prison. I swear!!!”](https://i.redd.it/npu6j2khr6061.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![Heffalump\_and\_Roo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/heffalump_and_roo/32/7691_2.png) [@Heffalump\_and\_Roo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Heffalump_and_Roo)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2020, 5:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/6559 "2020-11-20T05:06:27Z")
> [@Spice\_Weasel](#): > > This was really helpful. Sorry for the off-topic, but I thought you (and maybe others) might find this helpful also. You can draft responses in multiple threads at the same time and the drafts will save until you get back to them. That way, if you’re researching the topic, you can save your research in the draft. (You might have to close the tab and open the board again to move to a different thread) When you go back to the thread, the draft will appear again. You can even log out and the drafts will save. [I’ve only had one draft mysteriously disappear out of dozens.] Back to the thread. Yay about Georgia. Was LOLing about the goop running down Giuliani’s face. ---
**Author:** ![GreenWyvern](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/greenwyvern/32/2834_2.png) [@GreenWyvern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GreenWyvern)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2020, 9:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/6560 "2020-11-20T09:43:20Z")
> **[Along with everything else, Trump has killed satire as well | First Dog on...](https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/nov/20/along-with-everything-else-trump-has-killed-satire-as-well)** > > What is that stuff running down Rudy Giuliani’s face? Is it hair dye? Has his brain-coal been liquefied by all the lies? ---
**Author:** ![JKellyMap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jkellymap/32/15880_2.png) [@JKellyMap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKellyMap)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2020, 1:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/6561 "2020-11-20T13:05:25Z")
> [@Mike\_Mabes](#): > > He knows the city about as well as Woody Allen or Sherman in Bonfire of the Vanities Nice! ---
**Author:** ![JKellyMap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jkellymap/32/15880_2.png) [@JKellyMap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKellyMap)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2020, 1:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/6562 "2020-11-20T13:06:58Z")
Hilarious! ---
**Author:** ![JKellyMap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jkellymap/32/15880_2.png) [@JKellyMap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKellyMap)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2020, 1:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/6563 "2020-11-20T13:11:31Z")
Great idea, I think! How to Persuade Trump to Concede - One NY Times reader suggests turning the promising vaccine news into a victory lap for the president. "To the Editor: It seems to me that President Trump’s continued refusal to concede defeat is less a sinister plot to cling to power and more a determination to somehow declare victory even in defeat. If the recent vaccine news holds true, that will be an extraordinary accomplishment by our scientific community, and let’s give credit where it’s due — and maybe even some that’s not due. Let’s all agree to praise Mr. Trump for Operation Warp Speed’s success and congratulate him for the fastest and most robust (or best and most beautiful) vaccine campaign in history. Let him take that win as his way to declare a personal victory and make way for President-elect Joe Biden. If Mr. Trump is going to continue to hold incredible sway over his supporters in his post-presidency, I can think of no better role for him than as a champion of the effectiveness of the ‘Trump’ Covid vaccines. Maybe he can reach people who would otherwise be reluctant to get vaccinated. So let me be the first to congratulate him. Heckuva job, Donnie!" Will Brennan Girdwood, Alaska ---
**Author:** ![susan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/susan/32/17537_2.png) [@susan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/susan)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2020, 2:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/6564 "2020-11-20T14:21:43Z")
Time to change the thread title to Election Day [Week] [Month] 2020… ---
**Author:** ![Jas09](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/d07c76/32.png) [@Jas09](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jas09)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2020, 2:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/6565 "2020-11-20T14:24:07Z")
These things are getting tossed almost as fast as they can get filed. I’m not sure what the appeals process looks like, but without a TRO issued and with certifications in key states coming next Monday, it only gets harder to legally overturn those certifications now. I need to read a bit more on the exact process by which electors are selected in the various states after the certification of results. I know in Arizona the governor has already he said he won’t sign until all of the law suits are finished. I don’t know how that exactly plays out if there are still appeals being heard and the safe harbor deadline passes for choosing electors (Dec 8). ---
**Author:** ![Dinsdale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/97f17d/32.png) [@Dinsdale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dinsdale)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2020, 2:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/6566 "2020-11-20T14:44:09Z")
I don’t read a ton of press, but what little I do read (basically Chicago Trib) is getting increasingly critical of Trump’s efforts. Remember way back when the media hesitated even to call him on his flat-out lies? Man, you read any of the stories and they just flatly dismiss his contentions calling them “lacking any basis in fact” and so on. Meanwhile pointing out that he has nothing on his calendar, etc, and declaring efforts as threatening democracy. Yeah, most people dwell in their own echo chambers, but it IS nice to see such plain speaking. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2020, 3:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/6567 "2020-11-20T15:44:25Z")
Let’s go to the quarry and throw stuff down there! I really can’t quite explain why, but the “Minifa” panel had me howling for about 20 minutes. Completely uncontrollable laughter, tears streaming down my face, etc. Thank you so much for linking this! “Minifa! Teeny tiny vote-stealing Antifas” is absolutely my favorite and the most hilarious thing in the universe right now. ---
**Author:** ![robby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robby/32/11048_2.png) [@robby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/robby)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2020, 4:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/6568 "2020-11-20T16:01:38Z")
> [@Dinsdale](#): > > I don’t read a ton of press, but what little I do read (basically Chicago Trib) is getting increasingly critical of Trump’s efforts. Remember way back when the media hesitated even to call him on his flat-out lies? Man, you read any of the stories and they just flatly dismiss his contentions calling them “lacking any basis in fact” and so on. Meanwhile pointing out that he has nothing on his calendar, etc, and declaring efforts as threatening democracy. > > Yeah, most people dwell in their own echo chambers, but it IS nice to see such plain speaking. Agreed. > [@The American Coup: 11.9.2020 -](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/575): > > The Washington Post is not sugarcoating this crisis. Note that this is not an opinion piece. [Trump uses power of presidency to try to overturn the election and stay in office](https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-uses-power-of-presidency-to-try-to-overturn-the-election-and-stay-in-office/2020/11/19/bc89caa6-2a9f-11eb-8fa2-06e7cbb145c0_story.html) > [@The American Coup: 11.9.2020 -](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-11-9-2020/925182/576): > > From the linked article: From the linked article: > [@](#): > > These are the words and actions of an attempted coup, according to historians and other experts. > > “We have never seen anything like this before,” historian and author Michael Beschloss said. “This is a president abusing his very great powers to try to stay in office, even though it is obvious to everyone that he has been defeated in the polls. That is a prospect that terrified most of the founders.” > > Beschloss added, “I don’t want to be alarmist, but I do think it’s our job as citizens to keep watch on every one of these things with an eye to that ultimate dread of the founders, which is that a president rejected by the voters would use his powers to try to stay in office anyway.” ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2020, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/6569 "2020-11-20T16:22:03Z")
On a similar note: [https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/why-trump-s-attempts-to-overturn-2020-election-are-unparalleled-in-us-history/ar-BB1bbCrx?ocid=msedgdhp](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/why-trump-s-attempts-to-overturn-2020-election-are-unparalleled-in-us-history/ar-BB1bbCrx?ocid=msedgdhp) I love the Bolton quote near the end. You’ve got to hand it to the guy - he knows how to craft a soundbite. ---
**Author:** ![Marvin\_the\_Martian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/marvin_the_martian/32/2898_2.png) [@Marvin\_the\_Martian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marvin_the_Martian)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2020, 4:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/6570 "2020-11-20T16:40:21Z")
> [@Jas09](#): > > I know in Arizona the governor has already he said he won’t sign until all of the law suits are finished. I don’t know how that exactly plays out if there are still appeals being heard and the safe harbor deadline passes for choosing electors (Dec 8). From the _Arizona Republic:_ > The Republican Party is now 0 for 3 in its frantic legal quest to declare President Donald Trump the winner of Arizona’s election. > > Maricopa County Superior Court Judge John Hannah on Thursday not only declined to order the county to re-audit the ballots, he invited the state to file a motion asking that the GOP pay its legal fees, [as allowed b](https://www.azleg.gov/ars/12/00349.htm)when a lawsuit is groundless. > > Hannah’s ruling comes after the hand audit in sample precincts showed a 100% match between the paper count and the machine count. One lawsuit remaining: > A hearing for the remaining election challenge, which claims the county denied one voter the right to cast her ballot and failed to properly process another voter’s ballot electronically, will begin at 9 a.m. Friday. ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2020, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/6571 "2020-11-20T16:42:50Z")
> [@Marvin\_the\_Martian](#): > > A hearing for the remaining election challenge, which claims the county denied one voter the right to cast her ballot and failed to properly process another voter’s ballot electronically, will begin at 9 a.m. Friday. Anybody else okay with just giving up _both_ of those two votes for the sake of expedience ? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618.md?page=327) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618.md?page=329)