# Election Day \[Week\]\[Month\[s\]\] \[Year\] 2020 follow-along thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [November 3, 2020, 5:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618 "2020-11-03T05:36:01Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 360
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2020, 2:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/7195 "2020-12-01T14:59:28Z")
And a lawyer on the Trump “elite” legal team is calling for Krebs, former head of the federal elections cyber-security division, to be “taken out and shot” or drawn and quartered. Krebs disagreed with Der Fuehrer and must be killed. Classic fascism. > **[Trump lawyer: ex-election security chief Krebs should be 'taken out and shot'](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/dec/01/trump-lawyer-joe-digenova-election-security-chief-chris-krebs-shot)** > > Joe DiGenova condemned for ‘mob attorney’ remark made on podcast shown on conservative Newsmax TV ---
**Author:** ![Marvin\_the\_Martian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/marvin_the_martian/32/2898_2.png) [@Marvin\_the\_Martian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marvin_the_Martian)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2020, 3:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/7196 "2020-12-01T15:14:32Z")
Why isn’t this sort of thing grounds for disbarment? Or is the defense “It’s just a figure of speech”? ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2020, 3:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/7197 "2020-12-01T15:19:54Z")
> [@Skypist](#): > > I think trump has 5 days to request another recount in Wisconsin too. Maybe he can get Joe some more votes. ---
**Author:** ![MikeF](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@MikeF](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MikeF)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2020, 3:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/7198 "2020-12-01T15:22:58Z")
“I am enjoying the turd circling the bowl, even if it refuses to go down” Can someone please, please make a GIF of a turd with Trump’s face superimposed on it doing just that? Please! It would go viral in a New York minute. . ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2020, 3:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/7199 "2020-12-01T15:24:57Z")
> [@Marvin\_the\_Martian](#): > > Why isn’t this sort of thing grounds for disbarment? Or is the defense “It’s just a figure of speech”? I don’t know about disbarment, but it likely would be protected speech under the principles set out in the _Brandenberg_ case: > **[Brandenburg v. Ohio](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brandenburg_v._Ohio)** > > Brandenburg v. Ohio, 395 U.S. 444 (1969), is a landmark decision of the United States Supreme Court interpreting the First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution. The Court held that the government cannot punish inflammatory speech unless that speech is "directed to inciting or producing imminent lawless action and is likely to incite or produce such action".: 702  Specifically, the Court struck down Ohio's criminal syndicalism statute, because that statute broadly prohibited the mere advoca Claren... ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2020, 3:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/7200 "2020-12-01T15:39:54Z")
American lawyers can’t say things that ordinary citizens can without facing disciplinary action. Hope someone reports this guy for so outrageous a remark. ---
**Author:** ![solost](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/solost/32/11776_2.png) [@solost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/solost)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2020, 3:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/7201 "2020-12-01T15:47:15Z")
> [@Jackknifed\_Juggernaut](#): > > And I’m more concerned about the precedents being set. If Trump, or anyone else for that matter, wins the party nomination in 2024, and both houses are Republican majority, it seems like there are many paths for party to discard the results and simply insert their guy. “The Dems cheated again, but this time we aren’t going to let them get away with it.” For the past 4 years I’ve been expecting a “McCarthy moment” where the dam breaks and trump’s support dries up when the majority of people finally accept what an utterly incompetent, repugnant, cruel, self-serving, grifting piece of shit he actually is. But I’m starting to see I may have been naïve-- even now, with trump’s embarrassing, clearly fictional crybaby tantrums about how the election was rigged, he still seems to have strong support with his base who lap up all the shit he shovels at them like it’s chocolate pudding. Maybe we _ **are** _ in for a future in which every Presidential election is bitterly contested by the loser, no matter how clear-cut the results were. ---
**Author:** ![Jas09](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/d07c76/32.png) [@Jas09](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jas09)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2020, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/7202 "2020-12-01T15:52:42Z")
> [@solost](#): > > Maybe we _ **are** _ in for a future in which every Presidential election is bitterly contested by the loser, no matter how clear-cut the results were. Only if the loser is a Republican, of course. Because rural counties never have election irregularities - that sort of thing only happens in “_Democrat-run_” cities, ifyaknowwhattimean. ---
**Author:** ![snowthx](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowthx/32/10660_2.png) [@snowthx](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snowthx)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2020, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/7203 "2020-12-01T16:23:04Z")
Ask and you shall receive… I cannot get the GIF to show here, [so here is the link](https://tenor.com/view/drump-gif-8131188) ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2020, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/7204 "2020-12-01T16:38:49Z")
> [@Skypist](#): > > Ugh. How could I forget how convoluted it was? Thanks @Northern_Piper. > [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > Thanks for that, **Northern Piper**. You’re welcome. It is quite convoluted. And today’s news is that some of Trump’s supporters are looking into the option of using the electoral vote counting act to try to get Trump elected by challenging electoral votes: > **[How Trump’s Hill allies could take one last shot to overturn the election](https://www.politico.com/news/2020/11/30/republicans-overturn-electoral-college-441459)** > > It's deeply unlikely to succeed, but some House Republicans are weighing an effort to challenge Biden's Electoral College win. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2020, 4:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/7205 "2020-12-01T16:55:38Z")
My understanding is that it would require both chambers in conference to allow deliberations on the validity of the claims. Fat chance of that happening in the House, where Dems have control. I could be wrong - it’s a very complicated process obviously. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2020, 5:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/7206 "2020-12-01T17:00:03Z")
I think that’s a real concern. Matt Bevin challenged the legitimacy of the governor’s race, no doubt putting into action what Trump started in 2016 by suggesting that his loss could only come as a result of a rigged election. The Republicans are becoming a conspiracy theory party, and they are increasingly engaging in conspiracy theory politics, which is incompatible with democracy. ---
**Author:** ![solost](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/solost/32/11776_2.png) [@solost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/solost)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2020, 5:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/7207 "2020-12-01T17:10:21Z")
I said a little bit upthread that I keep expecting a “McCarthy moment” with trump, a “Have you no sense of decency, sir, at long last?” callout that finally bursts the bubble of support for him. Here’s a decent article discussing the parallels between McCarthyism and trumpism-- it’s pretty striking, right down to the Roy Cohn connection: > **[GOP silence on Trump's false election claims recalls McCarthy era | CNN Politics](https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/01/politics/gop-silence-trump-false-election-claims-mccarthy/index.html)** > > The silence of congressional Republican leaders as President Donald Trump's unfounded claims of election fraud grow wilder and more venomous increasingly resembles the party's deference to Sen. Joe McCarthy during the worst excesses of his... ---
**Author:** ![Deeg](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/deeg/32/2955_2.png) [@Deeg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Deeg)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2020, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/7208 "2020-12-01T17:21:54Z")
I wonder if establishment Republicans want it going that far. Then they will have to go on record of either supporting Trump’s nonsense or annoying his base. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2020, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/7209 "2020-12-01T17:32:20Z")
McCarthyism is nothing like Trumpism - Trumpism is much more dangerous. McCarthyism is “You’re either with us or the terrorists,” or “You either support the troops or you don’t.” We did McCarthyism redux already - that was in Bush/Cheney. This isn’t 1958 all over again; this is **18** 58 all over again. ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2020, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/7210 "2020-12-01T17:37:30Z")
> [@snowthx](#): > > I must say I am enjoying the turd circling the bowl, even if it refuses to go down. Time to drag out my [turd post](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-crap-bigger-than-you-way-tmi/443886) from twelve years ago. (Non-election related) ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2020, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/7211 "2020-12-01T17:37:32Z")
Things have a way of going too far before people realize they’ve gone too far - that’s the GOP pretty much since 2015. ---
**Author:** ![solost](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/solost/32/11776_2.png) [@solost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/solost)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2020, 5:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/7212 "2020-12-01T17:41:06Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > McCarthyism is nothing like Trumpism - Trumpism is much more dangerous. McCarthyism is “You’re either with us or the terrorists,” or “You either support the troops or you don’t.” We did McCarthyism redux already - that was in Bush/Cheney. McCarthyism is nothing like Trumpism? Really? I agree that trumpism is more dangerous than McCarthyism-- but in degree, not in style. I mean "You’re either with us or the terrorists” is straight out of the trump playbook. The article I linked to reads like a dress rehearsal for trumpism. The difference is, trump is President, not just Senator, and there’s no “have you no sense of decency” moment in sight. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2020, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/7213 "2020-12-01T17:51:45Z")
Republicans use violent rhetoric because they like to intimidate others. They don’t seek persuasion; they value coercion instead. I know people hope this goes away, but it won’t. They will keep pushing aggression because they know that they can’t win through persuasion, can’t win with ideas, so they favor force instead. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2020, 6:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/7214 "2020-12-01T18:04:35Z")
> [@solost](#): > > “Have you no sense of decency, sir, at long last?” The problem with asking that of Trump and his cohort is that they’ve already made it very clear what the answer is. And _that’s_ why Trumpism is fundamentally different from McCarthyism. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618.md?page=359) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618.md?page=361)