# Election Day \[Week\]\[Month\[s\]\] \[Year\] 2020 follow-along thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [November 3, 2020, 5:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618 "2020-11-03T05:36:01Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 362
**Author:** ![Railer13](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/railer13/32/9742_2.png) [@Railer13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Railer13)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2020, 10:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/7235 "2020-12-01T22:04:05Z")
Now I just learned that former Kansas AG, Phil Kline, who lost his law license because of his anti-abortion zeal, is on the Trump team. Another top legal expert to join the Rudy mind-meld. > **[Former Kansas AG Kline not letting absence of law license hinder work on...](https://kansasreflector.com/2020/12/01/former-kansas-ag-kline-not-letting-absence-of-law-license-hinder-work-on-trump-election-fraud-fight/?fbclid=IwAR12bUmIopBDvhvHHRU1XXtP8r6CFYODFfIJjtSbmsyylmHcu8vLMzDfkw8)** > > TOPEKA — Former Kansas Attorney General Phill Kline resumed riding waves of contested-election controversy Tuesday in battleground states at the center of President Donald Trump’s bid to block ascent of President-elect Joe Biden. Kline’s role in the... ---
**Author:** ![leahcim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/b4bc9f/32.png) [@leahcim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/leahcim)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2020, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/7236 "2020-12-01T22:06:34Z")
> [@Aspenglow](#): > > This is going to become my standard answer to people who try to tell me there was widespread voter fraud in 2020: “You’re looking for WMD in Iraq all over again.” And you’ll find it right after OJ hunts down the real killer! Then again, there is a good fraction of the reality-impaired who believe that we _did_ find WMD in Iraq. I suspect that fraction has a strong overlap with people who thing there was obvious proof of voter fraud in this election. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2020, 10:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/7237 "2020-12-01T22:33:24Z")
I think they found two, count 'em 2 votes in one state. But you see if they said NO fraud, the maga hat wearers and the pedantic jerks would jump all over them pointing to those two votes. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2020, 10:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/7238 "2020-12-01T22:36:21Z")
They found them you know. Shells and warheads left over from Desert Storm, buried and rusting, hidden in the desert, far more dangerous to the environment than as weapons. But Blix and the UN knew such things were unaccounted for, but they couldnt find them. ---
**Author:** ![Kent\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kent_clark/32/105_2.png) [@Kent\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kent_Clark)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2020, 10:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/7239 "2020-12-01T22:37:02Z")
> [@flurb](#): > > That article highlights a key reason why Trump will keep the circus going until his last day in office (and beyond) – he has raised an eye-popping $170 million in campaign contributions _since_ Election Day. My current fantasy is that Trump gives himself a full pardon for anything he did while he was in office. Then, in a year or so, he looks at that campaign war chest and tries to divert some of it for paying off his debts, paying off his pre-nup with Melania, or whatever. Not realizing that his self-pardon didn’t extend to crimes after the fact, he gets nailed for campaign finance violations and goes to jail. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2020, 10:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/7240 "2020-12-01T22:43:05Z")
> [@Kent\_Clark](#): > > …he gets nailed for campaign finance violations- There’s that ol’ passive voice again. WHO is going to nail him?? Hmmm?? If you say, _Biden’s new Attorney General_, then I approve that message. And drink to it. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2020, 10:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/7241 "2020-12-01T22:57:43Z")
My friend(on parler, of course) just wrote this: > [@](#): > > What do you think of AG Barr’s statement that he doesn’t think there is wide-spread election fraud? Is he and the DOJ incompetent or has he been paid-off to ignore it? Until now I thought he was one of the good guys but now I’m thinking he is just another member of the swamp!! See, they can’t take it. Their whole world is collapsing. ---
**Author:** ![Fiveyearlurker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/da6949/32.png) [@Fiveyearlurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveyearlurker)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2020, 11:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/7242 "2020-12-01T23:21:30Z")
Looks like someone [bought a pardon](https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/01/politics/presidential-pardon-justice-department/index.html) and got caught. ---
**Author:** ![Senegoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senegoid/32/6606_2.png) [@Senegoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Senegoid)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2020, 1:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/7243 "2020-12-02T01:06:46Z")
> [@Peter\_Morris](#): > > Read Railer’s post again, more carefully. His sentence is self-referential. Aha. Got it. I missed that the first time. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2020, 1:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/7244 "2020-12-02T01:13:17Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > Generally, everything that guy says is bullshit, so I’m confused. Barr is clearly jumping off the train. That’s why he vanished weeks ago. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2020, 1:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/7245 "2020-12-02T01:42:35Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > Barr is clearly jumping off the train. That’s why he vanished weeks ago I think it would be better to get fired in the final two months than ride it out. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2020, 2:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/7246 "2020-12-02T02:01:57Z")
I’m sure he doesn’t need the salary. ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Colossus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dr.colossus/32/9423_2.png) [@Dr.Colossus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Colossus)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2020, 2:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/7247 "2020-12-02T02:33:55Z")
> [@jsc1953](#): > > He fired Krebs over basically saying the same thing. > > It’s just a pet peeve, but I wish news stories would stop using the phrase “widespread fraud”. It implies (and Barr says basically the same thing) that there may have been 50,000 fraudulent votes cast in Michigan but that’s not enough to change the outcome. > > There’s virtually _zero_ fraud. Zip, nada. Count the occurrences on your fingers & toes. Can anyone contribute to a catalogue of all the fraud cases so far? I got into a debate before the election with my BIL when I told him there were 4 fraud cases in 2016 and “they were almost all republicans who did it.” He was indignant that it could possibly be true, there’s lots more than that and on both sides. So I double checked–1 was someone “testing the system by voting twice,” two were older people who messed up/wanted to cast for their dead spouse, and I don’t recall the third. I’ve heard so many stories about affidavits and recanted testimonies and complete bullshit that I don’t know what has really been found in this election. ---
**Author:** ![Jas09](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/d07c76/32.png) [@Jas09](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jas09)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2020, 3:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/7248 "2020-12-02T03:13:07Z")
> [@Dr.Colossus](#): > > Can anyone contribute to a catalogue of all the fraud cases so far? I’m not sure exactly what you are asking for. The cases that have been filed come in 3 main flavors: 1. Process cases. This is things like the one in PA that challenges all of the mail-in ballots because they didn’t follow the right rules when passing the laws that allowed them. They also include things like ballot curing, missing address information, etc. Things where the claim isn’t that a vote was _fraudulent_ but that it was _invalid_. 2. Minor fraud. This would include various claims about relatively small-scale issues like “Sharpie-gate” in Arizona. None of these cases have made any ground, but I believe there was one that did confirm a few votes were thrown out that should not have been (however the ruling ended up being moot as it was far lower than the margin). These cases aren’t generally being pursued since they won’t be enough to change the result. But if you really dug around I’m sure you could find a few hundred votes in each state that were truly fraudulent (voting for senile relatives, submitted absentee ballots for someone else, voting in the wrong state or even in two states). I have no reason to believe it would be slanted towards any particular party. 3. Accusations of major fraud. These range from borderline-process questions about how many observers should be allowed or whether workers were failing to check signatures at all to batshit-crazy ones like Dominion Voting Systems has an algorithm that weights votes fractionally and the CIA had a server farm in Germany raided by Army special forces to prove it. None of these have come close to being born out under scrutiny. It’s basically impossible to pull off considering how dispersed the election apparatus is and how many people would have to be in on it. There is a decent summary along with a table here: [Post-election lawsuits related to the 2020 U.S. presidential election - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-election_lawsuits_related_to_the_2020_United_States_presidential_election) Honestly, about the only way to respond to the claim is “show me the court cases”. Then they will respond with “courts refuse to see the evidence” or “liberal justices” or “deep-state coverup” and then you can just smile and change the subject. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2020, 3:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/7249 "2020-12-02T03:29:49Z")
Reuters: U.S. judiciary, shaped by Trump, thwarts his election challenges > **[U.S. judiciary, shaped by Trump, thwarts his election challenges](https://www.aol.com/u-judiciary-shaped-trump-thwarts-181757647-223740186.html)** > > An appeals court judge appointed by Trump, a Republican, on Friday ruled against his campaign's effort to overturn President-elect Joe Biden's win in Pennsylvania based on unsupported allegations of voter fraud. "Free, fair elections are the... ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2020, 3:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/7250 "2020-12-02T03:31:58Z")
And a Georgia elections official takes on the “Have you no shame?” role: > [@](#): > > “ **Mr. President, you have not condemned these actions or this language,** ” he said. **“Senators, you have not condemned this language or these actions.** **This has to stop.** We need you to step up. **And if you’re going to take a position of leadership, show some.”** > > “Mr. President, it looks like you likely lost the state of Georgia,” Sterling said later in the press conference. “ **Stop inspiring people to commit potential acts of violence.** Someone is going to get hurt, someone is going to get shot, someone is going to get killed. And it’s not right.” > … > **“It has to stop,” Sterling said. “This is elections. This is the backbone of democracy. And all of you who have not said a damn word are complicit in this. It is too much. … It is not right. They have lost the moral high ground to claim that it is.”** > **[Georgia election official condemns Trump after threat to worker](https://www.politico.com/news/2020/12/01/georgia-election-official-condemns-trump-441879)** > > Gabriel Sterling, an aide to Georgia's secretary of state, said Trump should "stop inspiring people to commit potential acts of violence." ---
**Author:** ![Mike\_Mabes](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mike_mabes/32/1782_2.png) [@Mike\_Mabes](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mike_Mabes)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2020, 4:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/7251 "2020-12-02T04:02:00Z")
Pollwatchers testify in Michigan about why results need to be thrown out … follow the whole thread . It’s priceless. > ---
**Author:** ![Spice\_Weasel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spice_weasel/32/5435_2.png) [@Spice\_Weasel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spice_Weasel)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2020, 4:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/7252 "2020-12-02T04:05:34Z")
Tell 'em, Gabriel! We need more people to step up like this. ---
**Author:** ![epbrown](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e47774/32.png) [@epbrown](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/epbrown)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2020, 5:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/7253 "2020-12-02T05:58:19Z")
I love that Barr telling the truth is not one of the options - hilarious! ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2020, 6:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/7254 "2020-12-02T06:14:43Z")
We need this guy in the West Wing as the token Republican. He has guts and backbone. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618.md?page=361) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618.md?page=363)