# Election Day \[Week\]\[Month\[s\]\] \[Year\] 2020 follow-along thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [November 3, 2020, 5:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618 "2020-11-03T05:36:01Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 369
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2020, 1:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/7375 "2020-12-05T01:41:29Z")
> [@flurb](#): > > This will give Trump a nice kitty to draw from to immediately start campaigning for 2024. He’s not running in 2024. When he’s freed of his current job, and rakes in all of his mark’s money, he will just be running. ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2020, 1:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/7376 "2020-12-05T01:42:07Z")
Things not going well for Trump in Wisconsin today. The Wisconsin Supreme Court again refused to take up a lawsuit aimed at getting the Wisconsin state legislature to appoint electors: > [@](#): > > For the third time in less than 30 hours, four justices on the state Supreme Court dealt President Donald Trump a setback Friday, saying they wouldn’t accept a lawsuit by Trump allies who wanted to let Republican lawmakers instead of voters decide how to cast the state’s electoral votes. > > As with [two decisions Thursday](https://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/story/news/politics/2020/12/03/wisconsin-supreme-court-rejects-trumps-election-lawsuit/3807385001/), Friday’s ruling was 4-3, with conservative Justice Brian Hagedorn joining the court’s liberals to rebuff the president as he seeks to take away Democrat Joe Biden’s narrow win of the state. > > “The relief being sought by the petitioners is the most dramatic invocation of judicial power I have ever seen,” Hagedorn wrote. > > “While the rough and tumble world of electoral politics may be the prism through which many view this litigation, it cannot be so for us. In these hallowed halls, the law must rule.” But, wait, there’s more! Earlier today: > [@](#): > > In a case brought by Trump in federal court, U.S. District Judge Brett Ludwig told an attorney for the president he was asking for “pretty remarkable declaratory relief” by asking to have the fate of Wisconsin’s 10 electoral votes decided by the Legislature instead of voters. > > He questioned whether [the case](https://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/story/news/politics/elections/2020/12/03/trump-files-federal-court-challenge-wisconsin-election-outcome/3807794001/) should even be before him, noting Trump is arguing the Legislature has the power under the U.S. Constitution to decide who to send to the Electoral College. > > “If that’s the case, why are we doing anything in this court and if that’s the appropriate arena for a remedy, why isn’t the plaintiff going to the Legislature?” asked Ludwig, a [Trump appointee](https://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/story/news/politics/2020/09/09/trump-nominee-approved-milwaukee-federal-court/5756814002/) who was confirmed by the U.S. Senate in September. > **[Wisconsin Supreme Court deals Trump election challenges 3rd defeat in 30 hours](https://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/story/news/politics/2020/12/04/trump-appointed-judge-calls-presidents-request-wisconsin-bizarre/3826351001/)** > > As with two decisions Thursday, Friday's ruling was 4-3, with conservative Justice Brian Hagedorn joining the court's liberals to rebuff the president. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2020, 1:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/7377 "2020-12-05T01:43:36Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > He’s not running in 2024. When he’s freed of his current job, and rakes in all of his mark’s money, he will just be running. I think he might try, though the Republicans should just pick someone else. The best possible solution is for him to run third party. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2020, 1:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/7378 "2020-12-05T01:48:52Z")
He will not be running for president in 2024. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2020, 1:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/7379 "2020-12-05T01:52:59Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > He will not be running for president in 2024 Do you think he will say he will so he can do the rallies for a few year and then stop just short of actually running? Or just not? He’s not going to prison. I know he should for countless reasons, but he won’t. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2020, 1:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/7380 "2020-12-05T01:55:39Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > Do you think he will say he will so he can do the rallies for a few year and then stop just short of actually running? I think he will say he is running as long as he can raise money from it. It also may help him if he is prosecuted to say it is all politically motivated because the “deep state” doesn’t want him to be president. I’d be shocked if he actually ran again when the time comes though. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2020, 1:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/7381 "2020-12-05T01:57:39Z")
He will play like he’s ging to run. He’ll do it for money. He doesn’t want the freaking job that he has today. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2020, 1:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/7382 "2020-12-05T01:59:13Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > He will play like he’s ging to run. This. He’ll pretend as long as the money is coming in. ---
**Author:** ![snowthx](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowthx/32/10660_2.png) [@snowthx](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snowthx)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2020, 2:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/7383 "2020-12-05T02:05:05Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > The best possible solution is for him to run third party. Yes, please! And make sure he out-conservatives the conservatives. A nice GOP rift is in order here: half for Trump and the other half for the rest. That’ll be perfect! Maybe we can get Bloomberg to help fund his 2024 campaign (as long as he is not running as a GOP candidate)! ---
**Author:** ![Peter\_Morris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/peter_morris/32/359_2.png) [@Peter\_Morris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peter_Morris)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2020, 2:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/7384 "2020-12-05T02:10:20Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > He will not be running for president in 2024 I agree. He will be either in jail, or in a coffin, or in another country fighting extradition. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2020, 2:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/7385 "2020-12-05T02:18:32Z")
This would be awesome but instead I think Trump would threaten it to get money/concessions from republicans. And I bet it would work too. Trump going third party would make the republican party lose their minds. They’d do a lot to stop Trump from going there. Likely paying him off somehow which I doubt would come cheap. I also have no doubt that Trump has zero loyalty to the republican party and would be more than happy to do this if it served his own interests. ---
**Author:** ![Deeg](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/deeg/32/2955_2.png) [@Deeg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Deeg)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2020, 2:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/7386 "2020-12-05T02:36:38Z")
Oof, three judges actually backed Trump? I don’t like that, although I suppose they were only voting to hear the allegations, not to vote on their validity. ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2020, 2:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/7387 "2020-12-05T02:38:05Z")
Exactly; the votes have been as to whether the WI Supreme Court would even consider the cases. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2020, 2:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/7388 "2020-12-05T02:41:33Z")
> [@Deeg](#): > > Oof, three judges actually backed Trump? I don’t like that, although I suppose they were only voting to hear the allegations, not to vote on their validity. - > [@kenobi\_65](#): > > Exactly; the votes have been as to whether the WI Supreme Court would even consider the cases. - It should have been obvious that the allegations weren’t worth hearing. ---
**Author:** ![Heffalump\_and\_Roo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/heffalump_and_roo/32/7691_2.png) [@Heffalump\_and\_Roo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Heffalump_and_Roo)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2020, 2:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/7389 "2020-12-05T02:56:31Z")
> [@Dr.Strangelove](#): > > Turns out that Trump can give a dignified concession speech after all: I actually bit on it for a second. I still have hope after all these years. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2020, 3:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/7390 "2020-12-05T03:14:10Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > It should have been obvious that the allegations weren’t worth hearing. To be fair, we really don’t want judges deciding something isn’t worth hearing because they just feel like it shouldn’t be heard for reasons of their own. But that is kinda what the other judges were on about when they said Trump really needs to start in the lower courts where fact finding happens. Trying to skip that process is not ok. The higher court needs that step to happen so they have a basis to judge the merits. Devil’s Advocate: Assume there really was massive voter fraud and you only have a month (or less) to sort it out before stopping the damage becomes impossible when the Electoral College votes the other guy in? The court system is notoriously slow. Even expedited cases wouldn’t be fast enough for this. But do we want a precedent where the highest court just skips all the earlier steps? That didn’t even happen in Bush v. Gore. ---
**Author:** ![gnarator](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gnarator/32/8266_2.png) [@gnarator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gnarator)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2020, 3:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/7391 "2020-12-05T03:34:11Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > OK, I just saw the video of (some of) her “testimony”. She’s had a liquid lunch, and maybe a hit from her purse just prior to entering the room. That’s what I thought when I watched it. ---
**Author:** ![TroutMan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/troutman/32/6721_2.png) [@TroutMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TroutMan)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2020, 4:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/7392 "2020-12-05T04:54:03Z")
> [@Northern\_Piper](#): > > Can we have the thread re-named: “Election Day [Week] [Month] 2020 follow-along thread”? As of yesterday, we’re already into “months” plural. ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2020, 5:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/7393 "2020-12-05T05:08:52Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > OK, I just saw the video of (some of) her “testimony”. She’s had a liquid lunch, and maybe a hit from her purse just prior to entering the room. From the same article, she had “support” from another witness, although the other witness was advancing an entirely different theory: the evidence of massive election fraud is that all Chinese look alike: > Ms Carone wasn’t the only controversial witness to appear before the House Oversight Committee on Wednesday — another unidentified woman drew backlash when she suggested voter fraud could have taken place because “all Chinese look alike” in a statement. > > “The other representative said that you can actually show up and vote without an ID, it’s shocking. How can you allow that to happen?” she said. “A lot of people think all Indians look alike, I think all Chinese look alike, so how would you tell?” No, I am not making this up. ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Strangelove](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dr.strangelove/32/6613_2.png) [@Dr.Strangelove](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Strangelove)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2020, 5:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/7394 "2020-12-05T05:18:25Z")
> [@Heffalump\_and\_Roo](#): > > I actually bit on it for a second. I still have hope after all these years. It’s understandable. I didn’t notice the laugh track the first time around, because I already have a laugh track going in my head every time I hear him speak. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618.md?page=368) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618.md?page=370)