# Election Day \[Week\]\[Month\[s\]\] \[Year\] 2020 follow-along thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [November 3, 2020, 5:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618 "2020-11-03T05:36:01Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 387
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2020, 6:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/7735 "2020-12-12T06:49:41Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > > [@thorny\_locust](#): > > > > So 9 to 0 then. > > Yes, they basically would have listened, but no way they were going to overturn a US election. I mean…they are extreme…but come on. > > I just love that all three of Trump’s justices were 100% silent. They did not dissent in the least. The Orange Peril has been furiously pounding away on Twitter. From earlier Friday: “If the Supreme Court shows great Wisdom and Courage, the American People will win perhaps the most important case in history, and our Electoral Process will be respected again!” 🤣 And after the ruling: “The Supreme Court really let us down. No Wisdom, No Courage!” So he’s calling his own SCOTUS appointees cowardly idiots! Also, scattered between and after those two rants are a couple of conspiracy videos and false claims **that have all been flagged by Twitter**. One can only imagine him turning even more orange than usual, sulking in a back room somewhere, probably getting his faithful doc to get him a shot of dexamethasone. Someone mentioned somewhere that he failed to show up for a WH Christmas party. I have a vague memory of sulking in my room once and refusing to come down when I was mad about something – I think I was around six at the time. ---
**Author:** ![Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kolak_of_twilo/32/73_2.png) [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolak_of_Twilo)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2020, 7:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/7736 "2020-12-12T07:17:56Z")
Methinks the word “skulking” would be a better choice in describing DJT rather than “sulking”. And as for you sulking in your room at the age of six? Well you had at least 2 years of maturity on the current occupant of the White House. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2020, 10:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/7737 "2020-12-12T10:09:53Z")
> [@wolfpup](#): > > So he’s calling his own SCOTUS appointees cowardly idiots! Lifetime appointments. Takes a bit of the sting out of that, I reckon. ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2020, 1:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/7738 "2020-12-12T13:38:45Z")
> [@Peter\_Morris](#): > > Trump’s only option now is to declare martial law. > > I am afraid that he might try it I’m afraid he’ll try, but fuck it up, declaring marital law instead. ---
**Author:** ![flurb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/51bf81/32.png) [@flurb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/flurb)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2020, 2:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/7739 "2020-12-12T14:03:47Z")
> [@Northern\_Piper](#): > > There’s an interesting article in the _Independent_ about Trump’s fundamental misunderstanding about what “conservative” judges mean. Hint: it doesn’t mean they support what conservative politicians want. I know Trump gets portrayed as the ultimate conman, but the biggest con of the last four years is the con Mitch McConnell played on Trump regarding judges. Trump thought he was buying personal loyalty from his judicial appointments. Never bothered to seriously vet them himself, or to maneuver his own people onto the bench. He just took the list that Mitch and the Federalist Society gave him and made the appointments. And it turns out they don’t give a shit about Trump. They’ll be just as happy spending the next four years overturning Biden’s initiatives as they would have been spending four years validating his. Maybe happier — opinions striking down liberal priorities full of biting commentary are much more fun to write. ---
**Author:** ![N9IWP](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/n9iwp/32/3154_2.png) [@N9IWP](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/N9IWP)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2020, 2:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/7740 "2020-12-12T14:43:35Z")
The Wisconsin Supreme Court is meeting today to hear an appeal (pretty sure it is Trump v Biden) Watch live at noon CST. Each side gets 45 min > **[Wisconsin Electoral College votes for Biden/Harris](https://www.wxow.com/news/politics/wisconsin-electoral-college-votes-for-biden-harris/article_7250d237-3b0a-5678-b77f-ed6621fbb585.html)** > > UPDATE: The Wisconsin Electoral College has voted for Joe Biden and Kamala Harris as the next President and Vice-President of the United States. Brian ---
**Author:** ![Biffster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biffster/32/339_2.png) [@Biffster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffster)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2020, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/7741 "2020-12-12T16:00:06Z")
> [@flurb](#): > > I know Trump gets portrayed as the ultimate conman, but the biggest con of the last four years is the con Mitch McConnell played on Trump regarding judges. Trump thought he was buying personal loyalty from his judicial appointments. Never bothered to seriously vet them himself, or to maneuver his own people onto the bench. He just took the list that Mitch and the Federalist Society gave him and made the appointments. > > And it turns out they don’t give a shit about Trump. They’ll be just as happy spending the next four years overturning Biden’s initiatives as they would have been spending four years validating his. Maybe happier — opinions striking down liberal priorities full of biting commentary are much more fun to write. Trump didn’t realize that even though his appointees may lean conservative they also don’t want to make any decisions that will make them look like IDIOTS. Reputation matters. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2020, 4:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/7742 "2020-12-12T16:19:03Z")
> **[The Supreme Court's clear message to President Trump: Stop | CNN Politics](https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/11/politics/trump-turmoil-supreme-court/index.html)** > > During the past four years, President Donald Trump has challenged the integrity of the Supreme Court and tried to drag the justices into the legal muck with him. > **[David Axelrod: History will scorn the cowards who fear Trump | CNN](https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/11/opinions/trump-election-cowardice-axelrod/index.html)** > > Amid the President's continuous efforts to undermine the results of the election, those Republicans in power who meekly comply to save their political skins show their craven character, writes David Axelrod. Americans who treasure democracy should... ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2020, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/7743 "2020-12-12T17:12:54Z")
My friend posted this on Parler. Please tell me this won’t happen. > [@](#): > > This is another path to defeat the fraud and a Trump victory: 1. Under the 12th amendment: Vice President Mike Pence, being the President of the Senate, will count certified electoral college votes from ONLY uncontested States thereby deciding the winner of the 2020 Presidential election, President Trump. 2. Under the 12th amendment : If the objections fail, the final decision to reject certified electoral college votes still comes down to the President of the senate, the Vice President Mike Pence. If that happens, the result is no winner and each state delegation is awarded a single vote which republicans hold in majority and President Trump wins the 2020 US presidential election. Is Mike Pence going to steal the election in January? ---
**Author:** ![beowulff](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beowulff/32/542_2.png) [@beowulff](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/beowulff)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2020, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/7744 "2020-12-12T17:17:41Z")
No. Ask your friend where he thinks the 12th amendment says the VP chooses anything: The Electors shall meet in their respective states and vote by ballot for President and Vice-President, one of whom, at least, shall not be an inhabitant of the same state with themselves; they shall name in their ballots the person voted for as President, and in distinct ballots the person voted for as Vice-President, and they shall make distinct lists of all persons voted for as President, and of all persons voted for as Vice-President, and of the number of votes for each, which lists they shall sign and certify, and transmit sealed to the seat of the government of the United States, directed to the President of the Senate;-The President of the Senate shall, in the presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, open all the certificates and the votes shall then be counted;-The person having the greatest Number of votes for President, shall be the President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of Electors appointed; and if no person have such majority, then from the persons having the highest numbers not exceeding three on the list of those voted for as President, the House of Representatives shall choose immediately, by ballot, the President. But in choosing the President, the votes shall be taken by states, the representation from each state having one vote; a quorum for this purpose shall consist of a member or members from two-thirds of the states, and a majority of all the states shall be necessary to a choice. And if the House of Representatives shall not choose a President whenever the right of choice shall devolve upon them, before the fourth day of March next following, then the Vice-President shall act as President, as in the case of the death or other constitutional disability of the President-The person having the greatest number of votes as Vice-President, shall be the Vice-President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of Electors appointed, and if no person have a majority, then from the two highest numbers on the list, the Senate shall choose the Vice-President; a quorum for the purpose shall consist of two-thirds of the whole number of Senators, and a majority of the whole number shall be necessary to a choice. But no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President of the United States. ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2020, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/7745 "2020-12-12T17:24:03Z")
> [@Railer13](#): > > Unfortunately, there are still a fair number of folks who would be in favor of segregation. And every damn one of them is a Trump supporter. Well, that’s the Democrats’ fault, don’t 'cha see? They _forced_ the Republican party to invoke the Southern Strategy way back in 1963. Talk about a long game. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2020, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/7746 "2020-12-12T17:27:31Z")
There are no contested states. All 50 states have certified their elections and chosen the electors. If we ‘assume’ for a moment that the electors from the 4 states are ‘disputed’ somehow - Biden still has more votes than Trump. If Pence throws out all electors BUT Trumps - I think we have a different problem. ---
**Author:** ![Deeg](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/deeg/32/2955_2.png) [@Deeg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Deeg)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2020, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/7747 "2020-12-12T17:35:28Z")
That does bring up the probability that Trump or his minions are talking into Pence’s ear about somehow nullifying the vote. I’m sure that completely unconstitutional ideas have been thrown about. Would Pence feel beholden to try one? ETA: I’m confident it would fail but it’ll creat another circus. Does Pence want that in his wikipedia article for the rest of eternity? ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2020, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/7748 "2020-12-12T17:48:02Z")
At this point, I am surprised by nothing - the amount of crap coming from the office of the President is, in and of itself, so far beyond ‘reasonable’. What I am surprised by is the wholesale division in our gvt - those that swore to defend the constitution and its principles are destroying it in the name of Trump - who couldn’t lead himself out of a wet paper bag, let alone our country in a crisis. IMHO - anyone who stands with Trump in all of this does not deserve to be in office - and I hope (even tho its an empty hope) that they get cycled out with the elections - if not outright impeached and removed for seditious conduct. Its ironic all the Trumpista’s yelling about TDS who now have BDS and a short memory. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2020, 5:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/7749 "2020-12-12T17:57:11Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > My guess is that the senate will hold hearings on “the stolen election” in perpetuity If the GOP wins at least one of the two GA seats, that isn’t a guess. That’s a certainty. They know it’s a lie, but it’s Big Lie strategy. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2020, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/7750 "2020-12-12T17:58:20Z")
> [@Deeg](#): > > ETA: I’m confident it would fail but it’ll creat another circus. Does Pence want that in his wikipedia article for the rest of eternity? At that point they’ll just cut off your access to Wikipedia. The USA would no longer be a constitutional republic. ---
**Author:** ![Skypist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skypist/32/169_2.png) [@Skypist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skypist)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2020, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/7751 "2020-12-12T18:22:18Z")
No. VP doesn’t get to choose anything. The 12th only comes into play if the candidates tie in the electoral college. It could get ugly. If a Republican Representative and a Republican Senator want to challenge a state’s electors, they can make it all take longer with debates, but they can only delay the acceptance, not stop it. In that instance, both houses of Congress have to vote to throw it out, and that will never happen because House will vote no to that. I’m more worried about the “other options” trump said he had. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2020, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/7752 "2020-12-12T18:22:26Z")
> [@simster](#): > > …those that swore to defend the constitution and its principles are destroying it in the name of Trump… “No, \<_points_\> **YOU’RE** the one destroying the constitution!” ---
**Author:** ![OttoDaFe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ottodafe/32/356_2.png) [@OttoDaFe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OttoDaFe)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2020, 6:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/7753 "2020-12-12T18:26:51Z")
“We had to destroy the Constitution in order to save it.” ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2020, 6:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/7754 "2020-12-12T18:28:52Z")
We’ll have to _read_ it to know what was _in_ it. [shouts off camera: “Does anybody know how to read ?!?”] [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618.md?page=386) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618.md?page=388)