# Election Day \[Week\]\[Month\[s\]\] \[Year\] 2020 follow-along thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [November 3, 2020, 5:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618 "2020-11-03T05:36:01Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 407
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2020, 4:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/8138 "2020-12-25T16:20:15Z")
I believe it was a procedural victory in a lawsuit that was later denied. ---
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2020, 4:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/8139 "2020-12-25T16:26:24Z")
That observers in Pennsylvania could move from 10 feet away to 6 feet away. Huge win there. 4 whole feet. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2020, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/8140 "2020-12-25T16:31:27Z")
Hey, that’s 4 feet of potential fraud that was just completely dealt with! Go Trump team! You’re not losing the election all over again with every smackdown, you’re rolling! ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2020, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/8141 "2020-12-25T16:42:35Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > Hey, that’s 4 feet of potential fraud that was just completely dealt with! Go Trump team! You’re not losing the election all over again with every smackdown, **you’re rolling!** - So am I. With laughter. ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2020, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/8142 "2020-12-25T17:07:58Z")
> [@rocking\_chair](#): > > That observers in Pennsylvania could move from 10 feet away to 6 feet away. > > Huge win there. 4 whole feet. Funnier still, they ultimately lost that one, too. It was denied by the trial court, granted on appeal, and then overturned again by the Pennsylvania Supreme Court. According to **[this article](https://www.ft.com/content/20b114b5-5419-493b-9923-a918a2527931)**, their sole win was the one in Pennsylvania over the secretary of state extending the deadline for allowing voters to cure ballot ID issues. They wanted to invalidate any ballots cured in the extended period, and were granted that relief. It obviously affected only a tiny number of ballots, and not necessarily Biden votes, so it’s not clear why they even bothered. Of course, none of the other lawsuits made any damn sense either! ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2020, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/8143 "2020-12-25T17:12:18Z")
It makes sense when you realize it’s not meant to overturn results but sow chaos and doubt. ---
**Author:** ![Peter\_Morris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/peter_morris/32/359_2.png) [@Peter\_Morris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peter_Morris)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2020, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/8144 "2020-12-25T17:32:18Z")
I don’t think so. Trump is so delusional, he really thinks he is the victim of terrible injustice, but that he can turn it around somehow and win, even now. ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2020, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/8145 "2020-12-25T17:51:10Z")
It’s really hard to analyze generalized insanity. He _might_ be so delusional as to believe that no one of his greatness could possibly lose an election. But OTOH, his pathological narcissism alone might cause him to refuse to acknowledge results that he damn well knows are legitimate. This whole thing really reminds me of the book (and the film that was based on it) _Shutter Island_, where an event is so traumatizing to the psyche that the individual develops a whole fantasy world around its denial. The Founders made every effort to ensure that a president would be of sound mind, mature, and loyal to his nation, and the safeguards failed utterly when, for the first time in history, a traitorous, self-serving raving lunatic was elected. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2020, 6:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/8146 "2020-12-25T18:02:02Z")
Trump cheats, this is known. A cheater knows that a fair game is not likely to go his way. There is an ironic awareness there that I attribute to Trump The Cheat. He knows he lost. ---
**Author:** ![Folacin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folacin/32/3195_2.png) [@Folacin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folacin)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2020, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/8147 "2020-12-25T18:07:44Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > So in Trumpworld the _Confederates_ , the ones trying to break up the United States, were fighting for the nation’s founding principles? Well, slavery was a founding principle, so he’s not wrong (which is unusual for the CFSG). ---
**Author:** ![Peter\_Morris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/peter_morris/32/359_2.png) [@Peter\_Morris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peter_Morris)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2020, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/8148 "2020-12-25T18:23:22Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > Trump cheats, this is known. A cheater knows that a fair game is not likely to go his way. There is an ironic awareness there that I attribute to Trump The Cheat. He knows he lost. Have you heard about how Trump plays golf? He cheats. A lot. But he doesn’t know why it’s wrong. He really considers himself to be a champion, and his actions are legitimate. It’s fair, and just what everyone else would do if they were as smart as he is, and he beats them by doing it first, and better. He tries to fight the election the same way. He’s tried to adjust the rules to his own benefit and is frustrated that the court won’t let him. And he still thinks he’s in the right, and all the courts are wrong to not let him do it. RIGGED ELECTION. [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/LIiaFMOfbwY/maxresdefault.jpg "Sportswriter Rick Reilly On Donald Trump's Golf Cheating") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LIiaFMOfbwY) ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2020, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/8149 "2020-12-25T18:41:01Z")
> [@wolfpup](#): > > It’s really hard to analyze generalized insanity. He _might_ be so delusional as to believe that no one of his greatness could possibly lose an election. But OTOH, his pathological narcissism alone might cause him to refuse to acknowledge results that he damn well knows are legitimate. That very well may be the case, but I think he knows full well that he lost the election; it’s just that there are courses of action that might just have some miniscule chance of giving him the win, so why not play them out, especially if he can use someone else’s money to do so? I mean, this is a guy who has a decades-long reputation for using litigation to wear out opponents in a dispute. Of course he’s going to to try and sue his way back into office. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2020, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/8150 "2020-12-25T18:41:48Z")
> [@Peter\_Morris](#): > > RIGGED ELECTION I know. This is what Trump says, and I don’t believe anything he says. The thing is, only Trump can really know what he thinks. But I believe he knows he lost, and that he thinks he can cheat his way through it. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2020, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/8151 "2020-12-25T19:52:46Z")
No it wasnt. In fact that was a huge debate, and they came up with a compromise. So a compromise on slavery was part of the deal. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2020, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/8152 "2020-12-25T20:07:21Z")
[https://www.huffpost.com/entry/tony-schwartz-donald-trump-2016\_n\_5fe1d5c4c5b64e4420ff94a6](https://www.huffpost.com/entry/tony-schwartz-donald-trump-2016_n_5fe1d5c4c5b64e4420ff94a6) > [Tony Schwartz](https://www.huffpost.com/topic/tony-schwartz), the co-author of [Donald Trump](https://www.huffpost.com/news/topic/donald-trump)’s bestselling 1987 book “The Art Of The Deal,” predicted exactly how the president would respond to losing the election in a Q&A four years ago that is now going viral. > > Following a speech at Oxford University in November 2016, Schwartz warned of a “tense time” to come in the United States if Trump lost the vote to Democratic rival [Hillary Clinton](https://www.huffpost.com/news/topic/hillary-clinton). > > … > > “Trust me when I say this, when Trump loses the election, he will never acknowledge, he will not concede the election and he will never acknowledge that he lost the election,” Schwartz added. “Because to do that is to feel obliterated and he’s not going there. So it’s going to be a dangerous, tense time in America in the weeks after the election.” > > … > > People on Twitter this week noted how his comments were eerily prescient of Trump’s response to his 2020 election defeat to President-elect Joe Biden. > … “Eerily prescient”? I don’t think so. Donnie has always been this person. It’s not rocket surgery. 🤨 ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2020, 10:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/8153 "2020-12-25T22:18:40Z")
A compromise which kept slavery as one of the founding principles of the United States of America. Glad we got that settled. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2020, 10:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/8154 "2020-12-25T22:45:59Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > No it wasnt. In fact that was a huge debate, and they came up with a compromise. So a compromise on slavery was part of the deal. If slavery is baked into the Constitution, doesn’t that make it part of the founding principles? [Article I, Section 2, Clause 3:](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Article_One_of_the_United_States_Constitution#Clause_3:_Apportionment_of_Representatives_and_taxes) > [@](#): > > … which shall be determined by adding to the whole Number of free Persons, including those bound to Service for a Term of Years, and excluding Indians not taxed, **three fifths of all other Persons**. [Article 1, Section 9, Clause 1:](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Article_One_of_the_United_States_Constitution#Clause_1:_Slave_trade) The Migration or **Importation of such Persons** as any of the States now existing shall think proper to admit, shall not be prohibited by the Congress prior to the Year one thousand eight hundred and eight, but a Tax or duty may be imposed on such Importation, not exceeding ten dollars for each Person. [Article IV, Section 2, Clause 3:](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Article_Four_of_the_United_States_Constitution) **No person held to service or labour in one state,** under the laws thereof, **escaping into another, shall** , in consequence of any law or regulation therein, **be discharged from such service or labor,** but shall be delivered up on claim of the party to whom such service or labour may be due.[[5]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fugitive_Slave_Clause#cite_note-5) [Article V:](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Article_Five_of_the_United_States_Constitution#Text) > [@](#): > > … provided that **no amendment which may be made prior to the year one thousand eight hundred and eight shall in any manner affect the first and fourth clauses in the ninth section of the first article;** ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2020, 10:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/8155 "2020-12-25T22:51:31Z")
No, it was not “one of the founding principles”. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2020, 10:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/8156 "2020-12-25T22:52:48Z")
Wait, @Northern_Piper, I think I know this answer! [![Google Photos](https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/TqYxuw0tHuGuGnUyDWSzLn4DYrsOcSJ_M1OEn19TEZbEZCPi6NQQiSRayZU6yKhU2A3B9Ooz7LtxsZkayUspfK2joMAwPgTw-82f-M-bMkXqs6obqb4ROqrdBrsD5Z-wyW9-vng9Lg=w596-h315-p-k "New item by John Thornton") ](https://photos.app.goo.gl/a3Jx2TXn6tvcdrGK9) ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2020, 10:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/8157 "2020-12-25T22:54:33Z")
Technically correct as America was founded as a white ethnonationalist state, so, point conceded. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618.md?page=406) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618.md?page=408)