# Election Day \[Week\]\[Month\[s\]\] \[Year\] 2020 follow-along thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [November 3, 2020, 5:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618 "2020-11-03T05:36:01Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 416
**Author:** ![N9IWP](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/n9iwp/32/3154_2.png) [@N9IWP](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/N9IWP)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2021, 12:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/8319 "2021-01-05T12:21:54Z")
DC Judge dismisses suit, (Wisconsin Voters Alliance et a; v Pence et al) and may refer lawyers for potential discipline. [https://www.democracydocket.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/45/2020/12/show\_public\_doc.pdf](https://www.democracydocket.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/45/2020/12/show_public_doc.pdf) > [@](#): > > Yet even that may be letting Plaintiffs off the hook too lightly. Their failure to make any > effort to serve or formally notify any Defendant — even after reminder by the Court in its > Minute Order — renders it difficult to believe that the suit is meant seriously. Courts are not > instruments through which parties engage in such gamesmanship or symbolic political gestures. > As a result, at the conclusion of this litigation, the Court will determine whether to issue an order > to show cause why this matter should not be referred to its Committee on Grievances for > potential discipline of Plaintiffs’ counsel. \ Brian ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2021, 12:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/8320 "2021-01-05T12:29:41Z")
Any middle school Civics course makes the distinction between a [direct democracy](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct_democracy) and [representative democracy](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Representative_democracy). Attempts by elected officials to declare America a non-Democracy are ignorance at best and, more likely, outright gaslighting. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2021, 12:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/8321 "2021-01-05T12:31:36Z")
> [@Johnny\_Bravo](#): > > Attempts by elected officials to declare America a non-Democracy - They’re trying to get us used to the idea so we won’t complain when they achieve their goal. ---
**Author:** ![JKellyMap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jkellymap/32/15880_2.png) [@JKellyMap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKellyMap)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2021, 1:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/8322 "2021-01-05T13:27:33Z")
Speaking as a Wisconsin poll worker, thanks for this. May the lawyers be punished to the full extent of, well, the law. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2021, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/8323 "2021-01-05T15:29:42Z")
Pence had ONE JOB (Constitutionally), and he’s too much of a chicken shit to actually do it tomorrow. > ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2021, 3:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/8324 "2021-01-05T15:33:50Z")
Well now grassley’s office clarifies that statement, and says he doesn’t “have any indication” pence won’t be there. I’m beginning to think the Republicans just may not have their shit together. 🤔 > > > Roll Call @rollcall ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2021, 4:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/8325 "2021-01-05T16:02:56Z")
It sounds like the Senate Republicans have no fucking idea whether or not Pence is going to show up. These clowns could not organize a two car funeral. ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2021, 4:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/8326 "2021-01-05T16:24:56Z")
When I was channel-surfing last night, Trump was at his unhinged rally reassuring the crowd that Pence would “do the right thing” on Wednesday, and if he doesn’t , we won’t like him anymore, right…crowd cheers. I imagine Pence is feeling the pressure, he’s probably been paying COVID patients to breathe on him, hoping he’ll get sick before Wednesday. I half expect Pence to pull something stupid, mostly because of that prayer thing. Because that’s how Pence handles the tough decisions. He prays, then God tells him that he needs to do whatever Trump says and that if any vestiges of a conscience weigh in with doubts, well —- that the devil’s work. I’m thinking he might just flat out refuse to do the count and the Democrats might have to get a judge to issue an emergency injunction of some sort requiring him to do so. If he doesn’t find a way to stay home. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2021, 4:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/8327 "2021-01-05T16:40:27Z")
> [@Ann\_Hedonia](#): > > I’m thinking he might just flat out refuse to do the count and the Democrats might have to get a judge to issue an emergency injunction of some sort requiring him to do so. If he doesn’t find a way to stay home. Chuck Grassley, President pro tem of the Senate, has already said that he would do it if Pence isn’t there (sowing confusion with his statement). That would really be the best option for Pence, avoiding having to make any actual decision. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2021, 4:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/8328 "2021-01-05T16:44:29Z")
I laugh at the idea that Pence actually has a political future beyond just being a quiet lobbying bridge between the Christian right and the Beltway congressmen. I’ve seen paint cans at Home Depot with more personality than what Pence has. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2021, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/8329 "2021-01-05T16:47:08Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > I’ve seen paint cans at Home Depot with more personality than what Pence has. - At least those contain a variety of colors. Beige walls, on the other hand… ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2021, 4:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/8330 "2021-01-05T16:49:46Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > At least those contain a variety of colors. Beige walls, on the other hand… Hey - Pence covers the whole **rainbow** of colors: tan, beige, taupe, ecru, dun, griege… ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2021, 4:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/8331 "2021-01-05T16:52:31Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > Chuck Grassley, President pro tem of the Senate, has already said that he would do it if Pence isn’t there (sowing confusion with his statement). Grassley’s [conflicting statements:](https://www.businessinsider.com/grassley-prompts-confusion-over-pence-electoral-college-certification-2021-1) > [@](#): > > “We don’t expect him to be there,” Grassley, 87, initially said of Pence, [per Roll Call](https://twitter.com/rollcall/status/1346473050078777356?s=20). As president pro tempore of the Senate, or the second-highest ranking official of the chamber, Grassley suggested he would stand in for Pence. > > But within minutes, Grassley backtracked. “Every indication we have is that the vice president will be there,” Grassley’s office said, [Roll Call reported.](https://twitter.com/rollcall/status/1346480140100911108?s=20) ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2021, 4:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/8332 "2021-01-05T16:52:33Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > > [@running\_coach](#): > > > > At least those contain a variety of colors. Beige walls, on the other hand… > > Hey - Pence covers the whole **rainbow** of colors: tan, beige, taupe, ecru, dun, griege… - I understand on his birthday, he’s allowed a very pale yellow. ---
**Author:** ![solost](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/solost/32/11776_2.png) [@solost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/solost)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2021, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/8333 "2021-01-05T16:59:00Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > I’ve seen paint cans at Home Depot with more personality than what Pence has. What’s weird is, I understand he used to be a talk radio personality, which is difficult to imagine in light of his last 4 years publicly playing a mannequin as VP. ---
**Author:** ![Author\_Balk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e0b2c6/32.png) [@Author\_Balk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Author_Balk)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2021, 5:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/8334 "2021-01-05T17:47:37Z")
If my calculations are correct (and things go according to plan) then Vermont will give their 3 votes to Biden giving him 271. ---
**Author:** ![thorny\_locust](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thorny_locust/32/431_2.png) [@thorny\_locust](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thorny_locust)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2021, 6:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/8335 "2021-01-05T18:03:12Z")
Huh? Biden’s got 306. And the states are counted alphabetically; so Vermont’s going to be quite a ways down there. ---
**Author:** ![Telemark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/telemark/32/372_2.png) [@Telemark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telemark)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2021, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/8336 "2021-01-05T18:21:51Z")
Never mind, I see you’ve already answered the question. ---
**Author:** ![Jas09](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/d07c76/32.png) [@Jas09](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jas09)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2021, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/8337 "2021-01-05T18:32:53Z")
Right, but Virginia, Washington, and Wisconsin are all after Vermont. Those three states have 35, so Vermont will get Biden to 271. This does reduce the number of “objection” states, potentially. It’s hard to see why the GOP would bother objecting to Wisconsin once Biden already has 271. Oh, wait, political theater - never mind. ---
**Author:** ![flurb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/51bf81/32.png) [@flurb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/flurb)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2021, 6:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/8338 "2021-01-05T18:42:20Z")
Sounds like Chuck may have let the cat out of the bag before he was supposed to. I guess at that age the mind does wander. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618.md?page=415) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618.md?page=417)