# Election Day \[Week\]\[Month\[s\]\] \[Year\] 2020 follow-along thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [November 3, 2020, 5:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618 "2020-11-03T05:36:01Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 61
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2020, 12:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/1201 "2020-11-04T12:11:07Z")
> [@pkbites](#): > > And how does he “drop Pence?” Shoot him on Fifth Avenue, of course. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2020, 12:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/1202 "2020-11-04T12:11:14Z")
> [@TriPolar](#): > > Now, yes. And maroon I believe is consider more red than brown. But Bugs was only mispronouncing ‘moron’. He wasn’t apolitical, but he didn’t have any strong party affiliation… We’re talking past each other. I was referring to my usage, not Warner Bros.’ ---
**Author:** ![Lantern2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lantern2/32/3010_2.png) [@Lantern2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lantern2)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2020, 12:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/1203 "2020-11-04T12:13:17Z")
Based on the Twitter posts of the two Nates I am feeling pretty optimistic. It’s not inconceivable that Biden could pull out Nevada, Arizona, Wisconsin, Michigan, Georgia and even PA. I thought the latter was out of reach but Biden needs around 67% of the remaining votes and with a lot of mail-in votes from the Philly area it’s entirely possible. The mistake I made earlier was comparing Biden and Hillary in the Philly and thinking that he was running behind her. However the more reasonable interpretation is that the early votes were predominantly election day and the remaining votes will be much more biased for him. The mail-in votes have really complicated this election. I think in a normal election the NYT Needle would have given us a clear picture of the winner by now. ---
**Author:** ![Omniscient](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omniscient/32/3290_2.png) [@Omniscient](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omniscient)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2020, 12:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/1204 "2020-11-04T12:18:43Z")
That’s a popular reddit trope and it’s lazy. Yes, there’s money in politics on both sides, but the Democratic platform is not built around exploitation. When labor unions collapsed they no longer had an entity to negotiate with. That’s sort of the problem with all these modern ideas around economic populism…who the heck are you sitting down with? How are you making sure you win the low profile elections? The unions ensured that democrats won local and state elections, they ensured reliable votes in midterms. So, instead the Democrats are sitting down with black women. They are organized and they vote reliably in local elections. They are a powerful group, but they are also much more highly concentrated in much less favorable states. Also, that group’s agenda alienates a lot more voters than a pro-union agenda does. Rinse, lather, repeat with LGBTQ groups. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2020, 12:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/1205 "2020-11-04T12:22:50Z")
> [@Omniscient](#): > > That’s a popular reddit trope and it’s lazy. No, it’s not lazy. It’s pretty hard to dispute. [Study: US is an oligarchy, not a democracy - BBC News](https://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-echochambers-27074746) Why do you think the democrats are focusing on such divisive issues while ignoring the easy slam dunk economic populism of appealing by improving their economic lives? It’s not like minorities don’t like that or benefit from that too. It’s a false dilemma to suggest they have to pick one over the other. ---
**Author:** ![Boycott](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boycott/32/6741_2.png) [@Boycott](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boycott)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2020, 12:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/1206 "2020-11-04T12:23:55Z")
Absentee ballots being counted are putting this back in Joe’s court. Looks like he’s all but wrapped up Wisconsin and Trump’s lead in Michigan which started at 200,000 is down to 10,000 with more to come. I expect Trump to challenge these results as he laid his intention to. ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2020, 12:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/1207 "2020-11-04T12:24:24Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > Why do you think the democrats are focusing on such divisive issues while ignoring the easy slam dunk economic populism of appealing by improving their economic lives? The ones that are focusing on divisive issues aren’t the ones that have ties with big business. The ones that are focusing on economic issues are the ones that have ties with big business. Bernie is not an exception because he isn’t a Democrat. (So the hand wringing from Democrats wouldn’t apply to him because he wouldn’t feel like he needed to take part in the conversation.) ---
**Author:** ![Omniscient](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omniscient/32/3290_2.png) [@Omniscient](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omniscient)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2020, 12:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/1208 "2020-11-04T12:25:51Z")
> [@DeadTreasSecretaries](#): > > Now appealing to black and latino voters vs appealing to white voters isn’t just identity politics obviously, but whatever the Democrats do in the future, the focus on black and latino voters is probably going to be more important than white voters. This has been the story we were told for literally decades. It has never once panned out. And now the Latinos are trending conservative. This idea of the US turning into a white minority country has a couple issues. One, it’s not happening fast, two those ethnicities’ economic classes are diversifying and they are more aligned to that than their race. Rich blacks and Latinos vote red. More and more, church going blacks and Latinos vote red. I’d prefer we talk about low and middle class workers. There will always be low and middle class workers of one color or another. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2020, 12:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/1209 "2020-11-04T12:27:30Z")
No, but the reality is that Democrats might need someone who can market themselves as more authentically in line with the needs of the communities they represent. It’s not easy to do. Democrats depend on a more diverse coalition to not just tolerate the party’s politics but fully embrace it and be motivated to vote for them. ---
**Author:** ![Omniscient](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omniscient/32/3290_2.png) [@Omniscient](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omniscient)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2020, 12:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/1210 "2020-11-04T12:30:46Z")
OR…stop representing communities. Focus on ideas that span across communities. ---
**Author:** ![MandaJo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ac91a4/32.png) [@MandaJo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MandaJo)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2020, 12:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/1211 "2020-11-04T12:34:29Z")
For all of American history, the neutral identity has been “white”. Not focusing on communities means focusing on white communities and assuming marginalized communities will sorta see themselves as related. If you speak to a white crowd, it’s a rally. If you speak to a black community, it’s identity politics, even if its the same stump speech. ---
**Author:** ![Mijin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mijin/32/9369_2.png) [@Mijin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mijin)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2020, 12:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/1213 "2020-11-04T12:39:24Z")
> [@MandaJo](#): > > I said from the convention that Biden’s slogan should have been “we didn’t have to be here”. I stand by that. My read is that people just can’t imagine anyone else could’ve done better. I think this is also the problem with healthcare: people who have never had good and affordable Healthcare just can’t imagine life like that. Agreed. I’m living somewhere that ended community spread around april. It’s true that from where the US is now, a lockdown is not going to be either super fast or super effective. But with a federal testing and tracing programme, the US could genuinely be turning the corner instead of that just being Trump marketing. Sadly, few american voters are aware of this. ---
**Author:** ![Omniscient](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omniscient/32/3290_2.png) [@Omniscient](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omniscient)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2020, 12:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/1214 "2020-11-04T12:39:52Z")
You’re not wrong…but its so very obviously a losing hand. Rural vs. Metro. Educated vs. Uneducated. In debt vs. Invested. These are the new identities of the future, way more relevant than the color of one’s skin. We can’t keep doing what we’ve been doing. It sure as shit isn’t doing anything good for those minority groups. ---
**Author:** ![urbanredneck2](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/5f8ce5/32.png) [@urbanredneck2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/urbanredneck2)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2020, 12:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/1215 "2020-11-04T12:40:40Z")
Actually some latinos have gotten fed up with democrats. [HERE](https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/general/mma/ufc-jorge-masvidal-donald-trump-joe-biden-latinos-united-states-b1038153.html) is one latino MMA fighter who spoke out. I like how he pointed out the problems socialists have done in latin american countries. ---
**Author:** ![MandaJo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ac91a4/32.png) [@MandaJo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MandaJo)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2020, 12:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/1216 "2020-11-04T12:41:46Z")
But you literally can’t include them in the conversation without alienating the racist white vote. You can’t be neutral. ---
**Author:** ![not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/not_what_you_d_expect/32/3246_2.png) [@not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/not_what_you_d_expect)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2020, 12:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/1217 "2020-11-04T12:41:54Z")
Things are looking better for Biden, so I’m feeling a little less suicidal. I’m terribly disappointed that McConnell, Graham, Ernst and other Republicans won though. ---
**Author:** ![urbanredneck2](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/5f8ce5/32.png) [@urbanredneck2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/urbanredneck2)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2020, 12:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/1218 "2020-11-04T12:42:29Z")
> [@Omniscient](#): > > You’re not wrong…but its so very obviously a losing hand. Rural vs. Metro. Educated vs. Uneducated. In debt vs. Invested. These are the new identities of the future, way more relevant than the color of one’s skin. > > We can’t keep doing what we’ve been doing. It sure as shit isn’t doing anything good for those minority groups. I will have to disagree there. From what I have seen is there are just as many or more “educated” people in rural areas as in metro areas especially if you consider the inner city areas. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2020, 12:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/1219 "2020-11-04T12:42:39Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > Why do you think the democrats are focusing on such divisive issues while ignoring the easy slam dunk economic populism of appealing by improving their economic lives? It’s not like minorities don’t like that or benefit from that too. It’s a false dilemma to suggest they have to pick one over the other. It’s also generally a false narrative that they do this. Do you remember what issue Clinton spoke about the most during the 2016 campaign? It was “jobs”. She talked a _lot_ about jobs. But the GOP kept repeating the story that all she cared about was transgendered people and illegal immigrants, until everyone believed that she didn’t care about working class Americans. Biden also spoke a lot on economic issues. Yet here we are again. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2020, 12:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/1220 "2020-11-04T12:45:49Z")
Consider this: a $15 minimum wage in Florida as a ballot issue ran 25 points ahead of Biden. If the democrats could credibly run on improving the economic lives on people, those things should’ve been tied to each other. The fact that they’re so dramatically different means the democrats are doing a bad job of selling themselves as people who will improve your economic lives. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2020, 12:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/1221 "2020-11-04T12:46:14Z")
A contested election is not going to make for a fun next few months, that’s for sure. It still looks like Biden will just squeak this out. But we needed a decisive defeat of Trump and a shift in the Senate. Instead we’re going to get chaos, more chaos. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618.md?page=60) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618.md?page=62)