# Election Day \[Week\]\[Month\[s\]\] \[Year\] 2020 follow-along thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [November 3, 2020, 5:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618 "2020-11-03T05:36:01Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 63
**Author:** ![Omniscient](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omniscient/32/3290_2.png) [@Omniscient](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omniscient)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2020, 1:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/1242 "2020-11-04T13:06:43Z")
You can appeal to them without alienating everyone else. ---
**Author:** ![FlikTheBlue](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fliktheblue/32/10972_2.png) [@FlikTheBlue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FlikTheBlue)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2020, 1:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/1243 "2020-11-04T13:07:52Z")
Just getting up for the morning. So what are we now looking at for Biden’s path to victory? Michigan, Wisconsin, Arizona, and NE-2 gets him to 270. Should we have any hope for Georgia or Pennsylvania? ---
**Author:** ![Aji\_de\_Gallina](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aji_de_gallina/32/260_2.png) [@Aji\_de\_Gallina](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aji_de_Gallina)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2020, 1:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/1244 "2020-11-04T13:07:54Z")
THis federal program would have been a great idea. But I can clearly see the governors of CA and NY not wanting to follow it because “Trump doesn’t like science”, stupidity and pettiness instead of people’s lives. ---
**Author:** ![Eva\_Luna](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e495f1/32.png) [@Eva\_Luna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eva_Luna)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2020, 1:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/1245 "2020-11-04T13:10:27Z")
You mean like the 300,000 ballots that the USPS refused yesterday to look for, in spite of a court order? ---
**Author:** ![Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f475e1/32.png) [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jimmy_Chitwood)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2020, 1:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/1246 "2020-11-04T13:10:56Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > What we’re seeing play out is a socialist phobia that has been planted in their heads over the past 4 years. This isn’t a Dem failure in Florida. It’s a failure of people’s intelligence to overcome their Trumped up irrational fears. And it would not surprise me at all if highly targeted Russian social media played a role because they’ve had lots of practice in manipulating Latin America politics. “Are our politics so out of touch?! No. It’s the voters who are wrong.” ---
**Author:** ![Omniscient](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omniscient/32/3290_2.png) [@Omniscient](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omniscient)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2020, 1:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/1247 "2020-11-04T13:13:45Z")
The Democrats in a nutshell. ---
**Author:** ![MandaJo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ac91a4/32.png) [@MandaJo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MandaJo)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2020, 1:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/1248 "2020-11-04T13:15:04Z")
> [@Omniscient](#): > > Yes, any logically thinking liberal cares most about things like the rebuilding the middle class, the environment and universal healthcare, Well, unless you actually are in a group that deals with systemic marginalization. > [@Omniscient](#): > > You can appeal to them without alienating everyone else. Not that portion of “everyone else” who sees the economic system as a zero sum game, and demographic groups as teams competing for pieces of a limited pie. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2020, 1:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/1249 "2020-11-04T13:15:12Z")
There was a lot of panic last night and I confess I went to bed fearful. But be patient, things are turning around. I think AZ comes in blue, MI is coming around as early and metro votes come in, NV should come in. GA has a good chance at bluing up as Atlanta comes in, etc. Biden is where he thought he would be, let’s let things take their course. I’m disappointed in the Senate calls so far, particularly Graham and Moscow Mitch. Senate will be very close. ---
**Author:** ![Omniscient](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omniscient/32/3290_2.png) [@Omniscient](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omniscient)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2020, 1:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/1250 "2020-11-04T13:18:08Z")
> [@MandaJo](#): > > Not that portion of “everyone else” who sees the economic system as a zero sum game, and demographic groups as teams competing for pieces of a limited pie. That’s exactly why the message needs to be decoupled from the demographic. The Dems always turn it into a us vs them, zero sum game. If you have a national platform for say a $15 minimum wage…that can benefit a lot of people and really only alienates business owners. But the reality is that a $15 minimum wage helps with a lot of those equality issues. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2020, 1:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/1251 "2020-11-04T13:20:49Z")
> [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](#): > > “Are our politics so out of touch?! No. It’s the voters who are wrong.” If the voters weren’t wrong, Trump would never have won in 2016, nevermind being within reach of a second term now. This country is half full of unrepentant morons and the final count may reveal that there are more of them than at last count. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2020, 1:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/1252 "2020-11-04T13:21:19Z")
> [@Aji\_de\_Gallina](#): > > THis federal program would have been a great idea. But I can clearly see the governors of CA and NY not wanting to follow it because “Trump doesn’t like science”, stupidity and pettiness instead of people’s lives. Can you give an example of a time that the federal government and/or Trump came up with a valid science-based policy and CA or NY refused to obey it because they wanted to petulantly defy Trump? Because you seem to have the relationship reversed. It’s almost always conservative governments defying science-based policy out of spite. ---
**Author:** ![DMC](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dmc/32/18049_2.png) [@DMC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DMC)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2020, 1:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/1253 "2020-11-04T13:22:07Z")
> [@urbanredneck2](#): > > From what I have seen is there are just as many or more “educated” people in rural areas as in metro areas especially if you consider the inner city areas. Excellent!. Do you have cites or are you limited to “what you have seen”? I have cites. [![](https://www.pewsocialtrends.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2018/05/PSD_05.22.18_community.type-01-11-.png) ](https://www.pewsocialtrends.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2018/05/PSD_05.22.18_community.type-01-11-.png) ---
**Author:** ![Aji\_de\_Gallina](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aji_de_gallina/32/260_2.png) [@Aji\_de\_Gallina](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aji_de_Gallina)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2020, 1:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/1254 "2020-11-04T13:23:28Z")
No, and your last statement might be true. However, it is Trumo at the wheel now. Cuomo said he wouldn’t accept a CDC vaccine, for instance. I can clearly imagine him saying “we don’t trsut Trump on this one”, especially so close to an election. If it’d been COVID-17, they would’ve accepted without a hitch. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2020, 1:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/1255 "2020-11-04T13:23:54Z")
> [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](#): > > “Are our politics so out of touch?! No. It’s the voters who are wrong.” No, that’s absurd. The Republicans scream “socialism” about everything. They scream socialism about shit that they themselves advocated. They have a hammer and make everything into a nail. More health care for people? Socialism. Raise taxes to reduce the deficit? Socialism. Share your birthday cake with your friend? Socialism. When you’ve managed to convince people that Joe Fucking Biden, who, by world standards, is solid right wing as a socialist, just as you’ve managed to convince them that every single democratic candidate has been the MOST FAR LEFT COMMUNIST SOCIALIST EVER, you have really fucking stupid voters, not bad policies. Shrieking socialism at everything is a lie. The voters are stupid for falling for it over and over again. ---
**Author:** ![ShadowFacts](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shadowfacts/32/2934_2.png) [@ShadowFacts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShadowFacts)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2020, 1:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/1256 "2020-11-04T13:23:57Z")
> [@Omniscient](#): > > If you have a national platform for say a $15 minimum wage…that can benefit a lot of people and really only alienates business owners. But the reality is that a $15 minimum wage helps with a lot of those equality issues. But… Biden and the Democrats DO have a national platform for a $15 minimum wage. ??? Biden talked about it a lot. ---
**Author:** ![AK84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85e7bf/32.png) [@AK84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AK84)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2020, 1:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/1257 "2020-11-04T13:23:59Z")
Apparently Trumps mentor was Roy Cohn. ---
**Author:** ![Malden\_Capell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/malden_capell/32/5274_2.png) [@Malden\_Capell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malden_Capell)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2020, 1:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/1258 "2020-11-04T13:26:41Z")
If Florida voters are ‘in touch,’ I don’t want to be ‘in touch’. ---
**Author:** ![Aji\_de\_Gallina](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aji_de_gallina/32/260_2.png) [@Aji\_de\_Gallina](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aji_de_Gallina)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2020, 1:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/1259 "2020-11-04T13:28:25Z")
Can we KILL the “probability to win” concept, at least in the case of national US elections? It just sound like a fancy way of saying “he’s got a good lead but he might lose”. If DJT was 25% to win in '16 and 10% in '20 and he wins both, they can, of cousre say “we didn’t say it was 0%” but it means you’re not comitted. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2020, 1:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/1260 "2020-11-04T13:29:13Z")
> [@Aji\_de\_Gallina](#): > > Cuomo said he wouldn’t accept a CDC vaccine, for instance. I can clearly imagine him saying “we don’t trsut Trump on this one”, especially so close to an election. If it’d been COVID-17, they would’ve accepted without a hitch. Trump has shown himself repeatedly to advocate for quack medical treatments and to push his agencies to approve treatments for political, rather than scientific, ends. He tried to push through an untested Russian vaccine for instance, as well as his advocacy for HCQ and all sorts of other bullshit. Not trusting Trump or a Trump lackey as far as medical advice goes is a perfectly reasonable policy and I would actually say it’s naive not to be skeptical. That does not mean that anyone refusing to automatically trust some sort of Trump quack cure or some Trump agency forced through vaccine is doing so out of spite. Given Trump’s history of being anti-science, meddling in science, and advocating for quack treatments, no one should be eager to trust Trump on this one. The fact that we can’t trust the CDC or FDA now is one of the greatest fucking shames in American history. Those agencies used to be filled with competent civil servants doing their best for the country, but they’ve been infiltrated by political lackies with no ethics. I, personally, am extremely pro-vaccine and would be the first one to take a covid vaccine. But I’m waiting for one that was approved by the EU or some other trustworthy government. ---
**Author:** ![WolfpackJeep](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpackjeep/32/2921_2.png) [@WolfpackJeep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WolfpackJeep)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2020, 1:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/1261 "2020-11-04T13:29:48Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > No matter who gets elected, we are now the shithole country Trump warned us about The country is starting to remind me of that episode of the classic _Twilight Zone_ – I think it was “The Shelter” – where the only family on the block with a fallout shelter is locked inside while listening to their friends and neighbors, who they thought they knew so well, as their desperate pleas to be allowed into the shelter degenerate into racist, bigoted accusations and fighting. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618.md?page=62) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618.md?page=64)