# Election Day \[Week\]\[Month\[s\]\] \[Year\] 2020 follow-along thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [November 3, 2020, 5:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618 "2020-11-03T05:36:01Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 65
**Author:** ![urbanredneck2](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/5f8ce5/32.png) [@urbanredneck2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/urbanredneck2)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2020, 1:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/1282 "2020-11-04T13:52:59Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > I think what he need is a black or latino Bernie Bro. I sorta wonder if it might not be someone like a modern day Julio Cesar Chavez. Chavez was 50 years ago. Were not talking California fruit pickers being mistreated anymore. The latinos your talking about now are the children and grandchildren of those immigrants who many cannot even speak spanish and are totally integrated into american society. They live in all 50 states (we have a growing latino population in South Dakota). They might have just as much of a problem with illegal immigration as anyone else. Watch the video I linked to above for more information. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2020, 1:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/1283 "2020-11-04T13:53:20Z")
> [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](#): > > Yes, I agree! Everybody agrees! Then why the objection to Republican “Voters are wrong”? ---
**Author:** ![Kron](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kron/32/12444_2.png) [@Kron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kron)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2020, 1:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/1284 "2020-11-04T13:55:21Z")
> [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](#): > > I think the Democrats should sell pro-worker, pro-lower and middle-income policies. But… When _don’t_ they? > [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](#): > > I think they should not throw their hands up when people don’t vote for them and say “they’re stupid, can’t be fixed.” These are my neighbors, that _actively_ vote against their own self-interest, because they lack the tools to make an informed decision… And have been conditioned to believe that any attempts provide them or their descendents with said tools is “socialism”, and anything that would directly benefit them (but is proposed by a Democrat) is “socialism”… They have an instantaneous Pavlovian response to that word, and an enormous industry of RW propaganda in FOX and talk radio reinforcing it day after day. Maybe the “stupid” label doesn’t help, but at this point, they truly can’t be “fixed”. ---
**Author:** ![Wrenching\_Spanners](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/ecb155/32.png) [@Wrenching\_Spanners](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wrenching_Spanners)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2020, 1:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/1285 "2020-11-04T13:55:39Z")
> [@Pavelb1](#): > > So the way i see it…its basically down to Michigan Sure seems that way. Winning Nevada, Wisconsin and Michigan wins the presidency for Biden and Trump’s lead in Michigan has been dwindling all day. CNN had a Wayne County (aka Detroit) election official on a while back and she said votes there are still being counted. Unless the trend reverses itself, Biden should be in the lead there in a few hours. ---
**Author:** ![urbanredneck2](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/5f8ce5/32.png) [@urbanredneck2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/urbanredneck2)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2020, 1:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/1286 "2020-11-04T13:56:23Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > Forget it. There are people who are going to insist that Democrats only care about minorities unless Biden gives a speech that says “now, I know these policies help blacks too, but the important thing to remember is that they help you whites more”. What about the time Biden said “[if you dont vote for me you aint black](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=We6Qr9-dDn8)”. ---
**Author:** ![Kearsen1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Kearsen1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kearsen1)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2020, 1:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/1287 "2020-11-04T13:56:25Z")
This, for sure. I really hope that instead of screaming bloody murder and calling the country stupid, that the Democrats will learn to jettison or at least distance themselves from the very vocal extreme portions of the party, and start being more inclusive. ---
**Author:** ![Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f475e1/32.png) [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jimmy_Chitwood)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2020, 1:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/1288 "2020-11-04T13:56:27Z")
Well, it’s a campaign that before the election was understood to not think “Latinos were part of the path to victory” and sent a _Republican_ to do what little outreach they did. Progressives were saying for months that it was a dangerous approach to not be doing better outreach. Then the election comes around and Latinos seem to have voted for Republicans in too large numbers, and people are all like “these fucking idiots! These subhuman cretins!” I’m not saying that Biden has garbage economic policies. I’m not saying he doesn’t care about these issues at all. I’m saying there’s different ways to sell things, and if you don’t even really try, it’s not really reasonable to say there was nothing you could have done. If you think every person in Florida who didn’t vote for Biden is demented and unreachable, then we disagree. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2020, 1:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/1289 "2020-11-04T13:57:17Z")
I feel what you’re sayin Urban. Wasn’t trying to say that we needed a Chavez per se but someone from a non-white background to talk about economic issues. The last two elections it’s been rich white people lecturing other whites about how woke they should be and then not really connecting well with constituencies they claim to represent. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2020, 1:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/1290 "2020-11-04T13:59:03Z")
I really think that pissed some people off. Whether or not it was a shit ton of people doesn’t matter; when you’re scrounging up votes in places where your party has clearly had enthusiasm problems, you just don’t say things like that. Biden is not a racist, but that was just a very arrogant, condescending thing to say to someone who has lived with racism and experienced it firsthand. ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2020, 2:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/1291 "2020-11-04T14:00:31Z")
> [@Kron](#): > > These are my neighbors, that _actively_ vote against their own self-interest, because they lack the tools to make an informed decision… They made an informed decision. They know what Trump stands for. They chose that. ---
**Author:** ![Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f475e1/32.png) [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jimmy_Chitwood)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2020, 2:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/1292 "2020-11-04T14:02:05Z")
> [@Kron](#): > > These are my neighbors, that _actively_ vote against their own self-interest, because they lack the tools to make an informed decision… And have been conditioned to believe that any attempts provide them or their descendents with said tools is “socialism”, and anything that would directly benefit them (but is proposed by a Democrat) is “socialism”… They have an instantaneous Pavlovian response to that word, and an enormous industry of RW propaganda in FOX and talk radio reinforcing it day after day. > > Maybe the “stupid” label doesn’t help, but at this point, they truly can’t be “fixed”. Guess we all better give up then 🙂 Alternatively, maybe you’re wrong about some of them. Maybe some of them are like my cousin, who also lives in Florida, and who definitely only voted for Biden because I spent like 8 hours on the phone with him talking about his grievances and all the ways he didn’t feel a Democrat was going to do anything for him. He didn’t think Trump was going to do anything for him, either, but he had a hard time finding any impetus to give a shit either way. Maybe he was the only one in Florida! Maybe since he’s white he’s a completely different thing from every Latino. But also maybe the Democrats just didn’t do a perfect job. Guess we’ll never know, since we’ve agreed to give up trying. Democrats already have the perfect strategy and if you don’t vote for them, you’re an unperson. ---
**Author:** ![Kearsen1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Kearsen1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kearsen1)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2020, 2:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/1293 "2020-11-04T14:02:25Z")
They don’t even really have to choose that, we need better options. Obama was the better option. The last 2 elections? Not even close to good options ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2020, 2:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/1294 "2020-11-04T14:04:08Z")
> [@urbanredneck2](#): > > What about the time Biden said “[if you dont vote for me you aint black](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=We6Qr9-dDn8)”. I’m sure you gave a point there? ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2020, 2:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/1295 "2020-11-04T14:04:50Z")
My understanding of our conversation: QuickSilver pointed out that stupid people falling for the “socialism!!!” propaganda are fueling opposition to democratic policies, and criticizes the voters for being stupid to fall for it. You’re suggesting that the democrats are at fault - that it’s their policies that are at fault, not the voters for falling for the “socialism!!!” scam. The blame does not lie with the democrats on this one. What could they possibly do to win over people who think any sort of policy that helps anyone is socialism and won’t budge on the issue. This really is a stupid, unyielding, unchangeable voter issue, not a messaging issue. The democrats could do a lot better to sell their ideas - that’s what I’ve been talking about the last few hours - but no matter what they do, there’s going to be a hardcore base of morons who call it socialism, and no amount of marketing or changing policies or literally any other action on the democrat’s part will change those people’s minds. ---
**Author:** ![Boycott](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boycott/32/6741_2.png) [@Boycott](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boycott)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2020, 2:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/1296 "2020-11-04T14:05:12Z")
It was purely in Miami-Dade though. Biden did improve in other counties across Florida and received a blowout win in Broward County which is the next most populous. He just declined far too much in Miami-Dade to carry the state after the panhandle results came in which naturally voted R as they always do. ---
**Author:** ![Kearsen1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Kearsen1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kearsen1)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2020, 2:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/1297 "2020-11-04T14:05:25Z")
The point probably being what has been said many times in this thread already. Identity politics ain’t working, so stop that shit? ---
**Author:** ![Malden\_Capell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/malden_capell/32/5274_2.png) [@Malden\_Capell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malden_Capell)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2020, 2:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/1298 "2020-11-04T14:07:00Z")
I’m skeptical that abandoning identity politics will help. Like the ‘socialism!!!’ attack, the GOP can make up any shit about what the Dems plan to do in power that I am pessimistic that an informed electorate is possible any more. ---
**Author:** ![Kearsen1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Kearsen1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kearsen1)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2020, 2:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/1299 "2020-11-04T14:07:04Z")
That type of arrogant thinking is what got the Dems where they are today. That is just as stupid as you think the voters are. Of course the blame falls on the Democrats. ---
**Author:** ![Boycott](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boycott/32/6741_2.png) [@Boycott](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boycott)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2020, 2:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/1300 "2020-11-04T14:07:37Z")
AP now have Biden surging in Michigan ---
**Author:** ![solost](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/solost/32/11776_2.png) [@solost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/solost)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2020, 2:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/1301 "2020-11-04T14:07:40Z")
Biden just edged ahead in my state of Michigan. 89% of the vote in. Still a lot of Wayne County (Detroit, Dearborn) to come in, so looking good for Biden here. EDIT: Ninja’d by about 1/2 second. I literally saw Boycott’s post pop up as I clicked. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618.md?page=64) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618.md?page=66)