# Election Day \[Week\]\[Month\[s\]\] \[Year\] 2020 follow-along thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [November 3, 2020, 5:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618 "2020-11-03T05:36:01Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 70
**Author:** ![solost](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/solost/32/11776_2.png) [@solost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/solost)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2020, 2:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/1382 "2020-11-04T14:50:00Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > Popular vote does not win elections (see: 2016). But according to the AP live results, if you halted all counting now and gave leaning blue to Biden and leaning red to trump, it gives Biden 270. Not to say the AP tally is 100% correct. [https://www.google.com/search?q=live+election+results&oq=live+election&aqs=chrome.0.0i131i433j69i57j0i131i433l5j0i3.3180j0j15&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8](https://www.google.com/search?q=live+election+results&oq=live+election&aqs=chrome.0.0i131i433j69i57j0i131i433l5j0i3.3180j0j15&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8) ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2020, 2:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/1383 "2020-11-04T14:50:24Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > Question for the peanut gallery: why would DJT want to halt vote-counting now when he doesn’t have an EC majority yet? Both you and Trump are understanding how the EC works. Having a state “called” is just is a media event, not a legal one. The vote totals are not binding (unless state law says it is), and they’re not legally submitted officially for some weeks yet, as I understand it. The electors of each state (of the electoral college) are supposed to follow the will of the people by voting for the candidate who got the most votes, but they don’t have to. But… in any case, it doesn’t matter that Biden doesn’t have 270 worth of “called” states yet, because “called” states are just a media event. Presumably, if Trump got his way, and the vote totals as they were last night at 1am pacific (or whenever Trump called for them to stop counting), then the eventual official vote counts would be highest in enough states that, if their electors voted based on those vote totals as of last night, he’d win. ---
**Author:** ![DeadTreasSecretaries](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/deadtreassecretaries/32/4817_2.png) [@DeadTreasSecretaries](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DeadTreasSecretaries)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2020, 2:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/1384 "2020-11-04T14:50:29Z")
I think since MI slightly flipped into Biden (by about 10,000 votes) I think if everything was shut down now, Biden will still win. If a state doesn’t flip back, Trump’s only way to win would be to convince a legislature or court to go against the counted votes for some reason. ---
**Author:** ![Boycott](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boycott/32/6741_2.png) [@Boycott](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boycott)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2020, 2:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/1385 "2020-11-04T14:50:51Z")
From what I’ve read the Trump campaign believed they would carry Minnesota. It was very reassuring when it was called for Biden who visited the state over the penultimate weekend. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2020, 2:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/1386 "2020-11-04T14:50:57Z")
Looking at the latest tallies it does seem Biden would win if counting stopped now. Of course, that probably was not the case when Trump said he wanted counting to stop. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2020, 2:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/1387 "2020-11-04T14:52:36Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > tallies WHICH **TALLIES**?? Color me dense if you must, but please clarify. ---
**Author:** ![DeadTreasSecretaries](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/deadtreassecretaries/32/4817_2.png) [@DeadTreasSecretaries](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DeadTreasSecretaries)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2020, 2:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/1388 "2020-11-04T14:52:52Z")
Yeah, Michigan JUST flipped, and I think Wisconsin flipped early in the morning, after he tweeted or whatever he did. I really hope he had no coherent strategy and thought that would just work. We’ll see what happens. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2020, 2:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/1389 "2020-11-04T14:53:16Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > WHICH **TALLIES**?? I am using: > **[Presidential Election Results: Biden Wins (Published 2020)](https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/11/03/us/elections/results-president.html)** > > Joseph R. Biden Jr. was elected the 46th president of the United States. See full results and maps from the 2020 presidential election. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2020, 2:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/1390 "2020-11-04T14:54:53Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > If we stopped all counting now then the current tallies say Trump has the most votes and won. Not according to the AP, which gives the edge to Biden by nearly 2½ million. ---
**Author:** ![Wrenching\_Spanners](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/ecb155/32.png) [@Wrenching\_Spanners](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wrenching_Spanners)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2020, 2:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/1391 "2020-11-04T14:56:02Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > Question for the peanut gallery: why would DJT want to halt vote-counting now when he doesn’t have an EC majority yet? When Trump made the statement about stopping the counting, it was around 02:30 Eastern US time. At that point, he had the electoral college lead based on votes counted. It’s moved to Biden since then. Unless he’s made some statement since then? I don’t pay attention to his Twitter feed. ---
**Author:** ![Munch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/munch/32/5281_2.png) [@Munch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Munch)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2020, 2:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/1392 "2020-11-04T14:56:23Z")
> [@Skywatcher](#): > > Not according to the AP, which gives the edge to Biden by nearly 2½ million. And how many Electoral College votes does Trump have right now if the voting stops, according to the AP? ---
**Author:** ![BeepKillBeep](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/9e8a1a/32.png) [@BeepKillBeep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BeepKillBeep)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2020, 2:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/1393 "2020-11-04T14:58:25Z")
I think at this moment it is 270 Biden - 268 Trump. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2020, 2:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/1394 "2020-11-04T14:59:00Z")
> [@Munch](#): > > And how many Electoral College votes does Trump have right now if the voting stops, according to the AP? 238 to 217. Add in tossups where he’s currently leading (NV, WI, and MI) and he gets 270. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2020, 3:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/1395 "2020-11-04T15:00:20Z")
> [@Munch](#): > > And how many Electoral College votes does Trump have right now if the voting stops, according to the AP? Using AP info: Biden 238 / DJT 213 > **[Election Results: Electoral College, Congressional and State Races](https://www.newsnationnow.com/2020-election-results/)** > > About NewsNation’s Election Results NewsNation’s television broadcast and digital properties will rely on The Associated Press for all vote counting and race calls. NewsNation chose to … ---
**Author:** ![FlikTheBlue](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fliktheblue/32/10972_2.png) [@FlikTheBlue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FlikTheBlue)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2020, 3:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/1396 "2020-11-04T15:01:43Z")
> [@Kearsen1](#): > > Most Republicans I know can’t stand Trump, but NO ONE else holds any of their ideals. Most of them I know, are glad to get conservative judges but cringe when they see tweets from the President. > This board is incredibly left leaning (at least some of the most vocal portions of it) and that left lean disenfranchises any support you’d get in the center from Reps. So the answer is to nominate someone like Mitt Romney, Susan Collins, John Kasich, or Lisa Murkowski? Maybe Joe Manchin as the only Democrat who might fit that description? For some reason I doubt this is a winning strategy. ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2020, 3:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/1397 "2020-11-04T15:01:48Z")
Nice projections all over the place, but right now the scumbag is in the lead, Biden has to come from behind in multiple to states to take this by the slimmest margin. ---
**Author:** ![Pavelb1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/439d5e/32.png) [@Pavelb1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pavelb1)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2020, 3:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/1398 "2020-11-04T15:02:04Z")
Look guys, this is how its going doiwn so those of you who didnt sleep can: Biden 270. Trump 268 Lawsuits to invalidate any shady looking votes Then massive appeals to make faithless electors. Maybe even SNL drags out that ‘Hilary-faithless elector sketch’ they did, but flips the tables. Have it be Trump with the cuecards, but he fumbles them. Now go to sleep. Nothing matters until mid-december. ---
**Author:** ![Fiveyearlurker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/da6949/32.png) [@Fiveyearlurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveyearlurker)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2020, 3:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/1399 "2020-11-04T15:03:06Z")
Biden is now in the lead in enough states to get to 270. ---
**Author:** ![Munch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/munch/32/5281_2.png) [@Munch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Munch)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2020, 3:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/1400 "2020-11-04T15:03:18Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > Using AP info: Biden 238 / DJT 213 Okay - that doesn’t actually answer the question. Those are only counting the races that the AP has “called” for a particular candidate. Since you are asking why DJT would want to stop the voting, you have to then look at who is leading right now in states that haven’t been called yet, and assign those votes to Biden or Trump. Currently, that puts Biden in the lead 270-268. When Trump was calling for the vote to stop, he was likely ahead in MI or NV - which would give him the lead. THAT’S why he would want the vote stopped. The overall national vote total is completely irrelevant. ---
**Author:** ![FlikTheBlue](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fliktheblue/32/10972_2.png) [@FlikTheBlue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FlikTheBlue)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2020, 3:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/1401 "2020-11-04T15:03:36Z")
> [@Kearsen1](#): > > This, for sure. I really hope that instead of screaming bloody murder and calling the country stupid, that the Democrats will learn to jettison or at least distance themselves from the very vocal extreme portions of the party, and start being more inclusive. Why do the Democrats have to do this, but Republicans can get away with going all out crazy? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618.md?page=69) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618.md?page=71)