# Election Wiki leaks Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [October 10, 2016, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-wiki-leaks-thread/768160 "2016-10-10T17:21:20Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2016, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-wiki-leaks-thread/768160/1 "2016-10-10T17:21:20Z")
There’s supposed to be a steady stream of Wiki leaks releases in the remaining days of this election. The Majority will feature Hillary and her aides. There’s always a chance Wiki leaks will surprise us with Trump campaign emails too. This will be a huge data dump. Most of the emails won’t be noteworthy. I don’t have the time or interest in reading several thousand emails. The press will report on the ones that pertains to the election. I suggest posting links to interesting leaks and then commenting in a separate post. Hillary’s private speeches to Wallstreet [https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.businessinsider.com/leaked-emails-clinton-private-speech-trade-2016-10?client=ms-android-motorola](https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.businessinsider.com/leaked-emails-clinton-private-speech-trade-2016-10?client=ms-android-motorola) Aide calls Chelsea a brat [https://www.google.com/amp/www.nydailynews.com/amp/news/politics/clinton-foundation-aide-rips-chelsea-brat-wikileaks-dump-article-1.2825369?client=ms-android-motorola](https://www.google.com/amp/www.nydailynews.com/amp/news/politics/clinton-foundation-aide-rips-chelsea-brat-wikileaks-dump-article-1.2825369?client=ms-android-motorola) ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2016, 5:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-wiki-leaks-thread/768160/2 "2016-10-10T17:23:22Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > Aide calls Chelsea a brat > [https://www.google.com/amp/www.nydailynews.com/amp/news/politics/clinton-foundation-aide-rips-chelsea-brat-wikileaks-dump-article-1.2825369?client=ms-android-motorola](https://www.google.com/amp/www.nydailynews.com/amp/news/politics/clinton-foundation-aide-rips-chelsea-brat-wikileaks-dump-article-1.2825369?client=ms-android-motorola) It’s all over. Trump will ride that all the way to the White House. _old rolleyes_ ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2016, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-wiki-leaks-thread/768160/3 "2016-10-10T17:27:55Z")
Dude I’m not implying any of this will effect how people vote. It sure as hell won’t effect mine. I’ll be sending in my absentee ballot in the next week or so. It’s news that pertains to the election. Interpret it as you will. I have no interest in even mentioning Trump in this thread unless his campaign emails get leaked. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2016, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-wiki-leaks-thread/768160/4 "2016-10-10T17:29:25Z")
> [@](#): > > Most of the emails won’t be noteworthy. Correct. So far, none. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2016, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-wiki-leaks-thread/768160/5 "2016-10-10T17:30:17Z")
Have any of these “interesting” leaks funneled to Wikileaks by Russia actually been verified? ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2016, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-wiki-leaks-thread/768160/6 "2016-10-10T17:33:04Z")
It is interesting to get a glimpse behind Hillary’s mask. Her private agenda is openly discussed in her Wallstreet speeches. Chelsea is slated to take over the Clinton Foundation after Hillary wins. Bill will have to distance himself from the foundation. I suspect aides that consider Chelsea a brat will be looking for new jobs soon. Dissing your new boss is a bad move. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2016, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-wiki-leaks-thread/768160/7 "2016-10-10T17:36:06Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Have any of these “interesting” leaks funneled to Wikileaks by Russia actually been verified? Really??? After all these years you would assert that Wiki leaks is a fraud? Were you saying that after the data dumps they did several years ago? A lot of sensitive information and video was released. Wiki leaks has proven itself over and over again. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2016, 5:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-wiki-leaks-thread/768160/8 "2016-10-10T17:40:05Z")
Some context to what we should be aware of: Most of what I haveseen is that virtually all is very mundane and not news. But we shoud beware of what the right has done with dumped and stolen emails before: > **[Climate Scientist Calls Hacked 'Climategate' Emails 'Truly Pathetic'](https://www.livescience.com/17151-climategate-emails-michael-mann.html)** > > Hackers have released a trove of 5,000 files alleged to be more "Climategate" emails between climate change scientists. > [@](#): > > “As for emails that in some way involve me, I hardly see anything damning at all, despite these snippets all being taken out of context,” Mann wrote in an email to LiveScience. “I guess they had very little left to work with, having culled in the first round the emails that could most easily be taken out of context to try to make me look bad.” > > “A truly pathetic episode,” Mann added. “Agents doing the dirty bidding of the fossil fuel industry know they can’t contest the fundamental science of human-caused climate change. So they have instead turned to smear, innuendo, criminal hacking of websites, and leaking out-of-context snippets of personal emails in their effort to try to confuse the public about the science and thereby forestall any action to combat this critical threat.” > **['Climategate' - FactCheck.org](https://www.factcheck.org/2009/12/climategate/)** > > In late November 2009, more than 1,000 e-mails between scientists at the Climate Research Unit of the U.K.'s University of East Anglia were stolen and made public by an as-yet-unnamed hacker. Climate skeptics are claiming that they show scientific... In a nutshell: the right already has plenty of experiende on making out of context or misleading quotes from mundane emails and turning them into the crimes of the century, so you have been warned. And I do remember seeing already a very pathetic example made with the stolen emails from the DNC claiming that it showed collution with the DNC and Clinton against Sanders in the primaries, it really did not show that, that was mostly spin. > **[The DNC’s Leaked Emails Show It Had No Idea How to Rig an Election](https://slate.com/business/2016/07/the-dncs-emails-show-it-had-no-idea-how-to-rig-an-election.html)** > > Let me start with the obvious: Bernie Sanders' supporters have every right to be royally pissed off about the revelations contained in the hacked... > [@](#): > > But there’s also something a little ironic about this scandal. Rather than proving that the primary was deviously rigged by Clinton’s cronies—as many Sandernistas clearly believe—the WikiLeaks emails suggest the opposite. The party didn’t seem to have very many ideas at all for meddling with Sanders’ candidacy. And the ones they cooked up were weak and quickly forgotten. > > Consider the most damaging news to come out of the leak. One DNC official seems to have floated the concept of trying to make an issue of Sanders’ apparent atheism, in order to hurt his standing with Southern Baptists in states like Kentucky. This was a deeply offensive idea.1 It also seems to have gone nowhere. In May, meanwhile, the DNC national press secretary suggested “pushing a narrative” that Sanders “never ever had his act together, that his campaign was a mess.” This was meant to push back against the charge that there was a DNC conspiracy against against him in the first place. **But in any event, as ABC News notes, the idea was quashed.** ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2016, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-wiki-leaks-thread/768160/9 "2016-10-10T17:44:17Z")
The emails bitching about media figures (Jake Tapper, Chris Cillizza, David Frum, etc) are amusing. Why, you would almost think that politicians/campaigns have an adversarial relationship with the media trying to investigate and report on them. But that can’t be, I was told that the media is a complete liberal lovefest and always helping one another out… Anyway, people [are warning](https://twitter.com/MalcolmNance/status/784539641529720832) of fraudulent documents and Megyn Kelly was already forced to [give a retraction](http://crooksandliars.com/2016/10/megyn-kelly-forced-apologize-air-reading) after reading one ‘leaked’ document that proved fake so… eh. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2016, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-wiki-leaks-thread/768160/10 "2016-10-10T17:48:32Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > Really??? After all these years you would assert that Wiki leaks is a fraud? > > Were you saying that after the data dumps they did several years ago? A lot of sensitive information and video was released. > > Wiki leaks has proven itself over and over again. Considering the probable source of the leaks and the purpose behind them(the sabotaging of an American election), I think asking for verification isn’t really beyond the pale. It’s not like Wiki Leaks itself is a disinterested third party in this, btw. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2016, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-wiki-leaks-thread/768160/11 "2016-10-10T17:48:40Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > Really??? After all these years you would assert that Wiki leaks is a fraud? Meh. I can see that what **Czarcasm** said does not lead one to claim that what Wikileaks released was fraudulent, as my examples from climategate and the DNC showed, a lot of the confirmation is related to the misleading spin many on the right will apply and the one that was already used with the emails. Hence the confirmation, that I’m talking about, will be mostly related to confirming what the right wing sources of information are mistakenly or maliciously thinking that the emails are telling them is the truth. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2016, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-wiki-leaks-thread/768160/12 "2016-10-10T17:50:08Z")
I’m interested in knowing more about Hillary’s plans and the inner workings of her campaign. It’s pretty much a given that she will be the next President. A lot of her aides will get powerful positions in her administration. Private emails are a unique glimpse into what is to come. The ones from her aides will be the most candid and revealing. Any reasonable person should inform themselves about the new administration’s real agenda for the next four years. These people will be in charge for the next 4 years. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2016, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-wiki-leaks-thread/768160/13 "2016-10-10T17:55:09Z")
A reasonable person would do some reasonable vetting of info coming from those with an ax to grind. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2016, 5:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-wiki-leaks-thread/768160/14 "2016-10-10T17:59:58Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > Any reasonable person should inform themselves about the new administration’s real agenda for the next four years. Real agenda? I’m pretty sure she will try to implement the stuff she says she cares about. Generally center-left. Do you believe there is some secret plan to get into office and do something very different than her campaign platform? ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2016, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-wiki-leaks-thread/768160/15 "2016-10-10T18:01:36Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > I’m interested in knowing more about Hillary’s plans and the inner workings of her campaign. > > It’s pretty much a given that she will be the next President. A lot of her aides will get positions in her administration. > > Any reasonable person should inform themselves about the new administration’s real agenda for the next four years. Private emails are a unique glimpse into what is to come. And I would not be so sure, while it is true that politicians have made efforts to prevent emails from being released it is more likely that most politicians are already aware that their email can be dumped, so while there are clueless politicians still; I think that almost all the emails will not be very useful. For political hack jobs out there, they will be. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2016, 6:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-wiki-leaks-thread/768160/16 "2016-10-10T18:04:13Z")
I realize these early email leaks aren’t earth shattering. Wiki leaks is saving the most important ones for just before the election. Get the most bang for their buck. That’s SOP for any media. Start slow and build up interest. I doubt anything they have will change the election result. But, until the information is released we just don’t know. A lot of people vote absentee and those votes are locked in regardless. ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2016, 6:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-wiki-leaks-thread/768160/17 "2016-10-10T18:06:50Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > Wiki leaks is saving the most important ones for just before the election. They’re pretty stupid then. Of course, these are the same guys who dropped their last leaks during Trump-Tape day. We will, to be polite, pretend that they weren’t trying to deflect from Trump and that they’re just really bad at their job. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2016, 1:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-wiki-leaks-thread/768160/18 "2016-10-11T01:01:29Z")
One of the emails dumped was a letter by Sidney Blumenthal to John Podesta. In it, Sidney said the following: “one important point that has been universally acknowledged by nine previous reports about Benghazi: The attack was almost certainly preventable… _Clinton was in charge of the State Department, and it failed to protect U.S. personnel at an American consulate in Libya. If the GOP wants to raise that as a talking point against her, it is legitimate_” Damning revelation, coming from Sidney Blumenthal. Remember, Clinton wanted to hire this guy but the Obama admin rejected him. And now there’s an email where even _he_ admits that Clinton failed. The smoking gun. The cover up. Except it is not true. This quote, the italicized part of it, is from Kurt Eichenwald in a piece written by him a few months ago: Tweet: [https://twitter.com/kurteichenwald/status/785629177416290304](https://twitter.com/kurteichenwald/status/785629177416290304) Article: [http://www.newsweek.com/vladimir-putin-sidney-blumenthal-hillary-clinton-donald-trump-benghazi-sputnik-508635](http://www.newsweek.com/vladimir-putin-sidney-blumenthal-hillary-clinton-donald-trump-benghazi-sputnik-508635) This story was highlighted prominently on _Sputnik_, the Russian news agency website from the moment the emails were dumped. Then, Trump just happened to quote from _this one email_: > And Eichenwald has a “really, really disturbing” update coming soon: > ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2016, 1:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-wiki-leaks-thread/768160/19 "2016-10-11T01:06:03Z")
For those who need clarification: Wikileaks faked an email The Russian news agency has been promoting this faked email since the moment the dump occurred Trump quoted this in a rally tonight The original author found out, has revealed the con Putin and Trump are working together ---
**Author:** ![WillFarnaby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/willfarnaby/32/514_2.png) [@WillFarnaby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WillFarnaby)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2016, 1:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-wiki-leaks-thread/768160/20 "2016-10-11T01:08:28Z")
> **[Did Hillary Clinton Use Energy Policy as a Weapon to Threaten Putin With...](https://www.economicpolicyjournal.com/2016/10/did-hillary-clinton-use-energy-policy.html?m=1)** > > Robert Wenzel Clinton has a hankering for regime change in Russia. Of course this is Dr. Strangelove level craziness, but I’m sure there will be some Clinton supporters who get off on this type of stuff. “I formed something called the U.S.-EU Energy Council and began trying to look at what more we could do to really wean people away from Russian supplies. The more we can do that the \*\*more difficult it will be for Putin to maintain his hold on leadership, even with his inner circle \*\*without changing course.”-Clinton [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-wiki-leaks-thread/768160.md?page=2)