# Elections have consequences **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 2, 2021, 3:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elections-have-consequences/955333 "2021-12-02T03:51:35Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 1\ **Showing post:** 66
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2021, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elections-have-consequences/955333/66 "2021-12-02T17:14:49Z")
> [@Thing.Fish](#): > > MY post was written in anger? Seemed to be. > [@Thing.Fish](#): > > How about the OP’s? Probably more frustration than anger, but sure. > [@Thing.Fish](#): > > Who are these people you’re talking about? I certainly don’t know anyone personally who identifies as a Democrat and didn’t vote for Hillary. There were quite a number on the SDMB back in 2016. I don’t remember all the names, I was a @DoggyDunnit who was very proud of their non-vote for HRC. They were not the only one, but the one that I found most memorable. If you want to go back to a specific thread, you can try > [@I pit the USA](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-usa/771170/5): > > Hopefully the Democrats, from the bottom to the top, will take this whipping as a valuable lesson–time to start actually being there for us left behind, rather than just running your mouths about it. They shouldn’t’ve fucked over Bernie, because Bernie, unlike Hillary, was genuine and cared about everyone, not just the elites. He’d have swept the floor with Trump. But nope - nature forbid the Audi-driving, arugula-eating “progressives” (including them damned “young professionals”) break off any… They were not the only one in that thread talking poorly of HRC. I knew a number of people IRL who would say, “I’m not voting for either of them.” When asked why they wouldn’t vote for HRC, they’d bring up right wing talking points about her, or often not even be that specific, just that she’s a nasty woman, or that she’s just riding her husband’s coattails. Like I said, @What_Exit probably personally did not affect many votes, if any. The attitude that @What_Exit hold absolutely did. > [@Thing.Fish](#): > > What is your position here? That, for instance, when the polls said most Americans had a negative impression of Hillary, but a positive impression of Bernie, that information should just have been ignored? Well, I think that we voted in the primaries, and the candidate that got the most votes in the primaries should be the nominee. Or do you think that that should have been ignored? > [@Thing.Fish](#): > > Do you believe such data are unreliable or made up? I think that it is unreliable. At the time, Bernie was being supported by various actors who were doing their best to tear down HRC. If Bernie had won the nomination, then that machine would have gone after him. And if you think that we were going to elect a self proclaimed socialist in the general, especially after the smear campaign starts up against him, I think that it is you that lives in a fantasy world. > [@Thing.Fish](#): > > Or do you think we are ethically obligated to ignore our knowledge of what voters actually do think, because it conflicts with our beliefs about what they SHOULD think? Okay, so how would you like to tell what voters think? Do you think that we should have them all come out and make some marks on a piece of paper, and then we count up those pieces of paper and determine who the voters want? If so, that’s exactly what we did, and how we got HRC nominated. If not, then how do you want to nominate candidates going forward? Ignore the actual will of the voters, and instead go based on opinion polls? --- _[View the full topic](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elections-have-consequences/955333)._