# Electric Sun **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [July 8, 2006, 2:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/electric-sun/363586 "2006-07-08T02:15:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 12
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2006, 10:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/electric-sun/363586/221 "2006-07-16T22:57:39Z")
[QUOTE=TheFonz] you guys with your short attention spans will see [/QUOTE] Speaking of short attention spans, you have already been advised that your constant insults are out of line, here. Back off or you are gone. ---
**Author:** ![TheFonz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ac8455/32.png) [@TheFonz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TheFonz)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2006, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/electric-sun/363586/222 "2006-07-16T22:59:55Z")
> [@](#): > > What’s sad is that you think this rebuts any part of my post. Not really, I was rebuking your rebuttal. You said more often than not our brains recognize patterns as a survival trait, and I said plasma phenomena are scalable. What’s sad is that you think you somehow impress me, or anyone else, with your mediocre trash-talk. ---
**Author:** ![scr4](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/59ef9b/32.png) [@scr4](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scr4)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2006, 11:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/electric-sun/363586/223 "2006-07-16T23:01:55Z")
[QUOTE=TheFonz] Right. Sunspots are caused by magnetic fields,… But no, it’s just plain magnetic fields I’m sure. Nothing to do with electrons flying around or the solar wind accelerating off the surface of the Sun. Nothing to do with why we get auroras at our MAGNETIC poles when it comes flowing in. Nothing at all… 😛 [/QUOTE] Well, you’re right about most of the things you just wrote. The magnetic field on the sun _is_ generated by electric current, and it _does_ have something to do with how the elctrons and protons are accelerated off the surface. (And I’m a mainstream scientist, by the way.) Now what does that have to do with what the energy source of the sun is? A nulcear power station generates a lot of electricity too, but it’s not _powered by_ “electric energy”. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2006, 11:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/electric-sun/363586/224 "2006-07-16T23:03:54Z")
[QUOTE=TheFonz] Not really, I was rebuking your rebuttal. You said more often than not our brains recognize patterns as a survival trait, and I said plasma phenomena are scalable. [/quote] So, what, it was a deliberate non-sequitur? > [@](#): > > What’s sad is that you think you somehow impress me, or anyone else, with your mediocre trash-talk. Considering your extremely poor judgement and defecient cognitive processes in general, any sort of approval from you would be a giant warning sign that I’m doing something terribly wrong. 'nother words, I ain’t trying to impress _you_. ---
**Author:** ![TheFonz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ac8455/32.png) [@TheFonz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TheFonz)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2006, 11:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/electric-sun/363586/225 "2006-07-16T23:03:59Z")
> [@](#): > > Now what does that have to do with what the energy source of the sun is? A nulcear power station generates a lot of electricity too, but it’s not powered by “electric energy”. Really? I was under the impression that weak force/strong force and electromagnetics had all been unified somehow. Besides, prove it. ---
**Author:** ![TheFonz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ac8455/32.png) [@TheFonz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TheFonz)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2006, 11:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/electric-sun/363586/226 "2006-07-16T23:05:59Z")
[QUOTE=tomndebb] Speaking of short attention spans, you have already been advised that your constant insults are out of line, here. Back off or you are gone. [/quote] [QUOTE=Miller] Considering your extremely poor judgement and **defecient cognitive processes** in general, any sort of approval from you would be a giant warning sign that I’m doing something terribly wrong. [/quote] So does he recieve a single warning which will be followed up with a ban as well? ---
**Author:** ![scr4](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/59ef9b/32.png) [@scr4](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scr4)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2006, 11:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/electric-sun/363586/227 "2006-07-16T23:07:11Z")
[QUOTE=TheFonz] Really? I was under the impression that weak force/strong force and electromagnetics had all been unified somehow. Besides, prove it. [/QUOTE] Prove what exactly? ---
**Author:** ![TheFonz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ac8455/32.png) [@TheFonz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TheFonz)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2006, 11:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/electric-sun/363586/228 "2006-07-16T23:14:12Z")
> [@](#): > > Prove what exactly? I dunno. Nothing I guess. There has to be a relationship between all the forces we know of: strong force, weak force, electromagnetism and gravity. When I say electromagnetism runs the Universe, what I mean to say is that it’s easiest (for me at least) to finally see that big Theory of Everything by looking into electromagnetism. Our planet has a big ass magnetic field, am I to believe that it has nothing to do with the gravity we experience on the ground? ---
**Author:** ![scr4](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/59ef9b/32.png) [@scr4](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scr4)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2006, 11:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/electric-sun/363586/229 "2006-07-16T23:17:26Z")
[QUOTE=TheFonz] I dunno. Nothing I guess. There has to be a relationship between all the forces we know of: strong force, weak force, electromagnetism and gravity. [/QUOTE] Well yeah, that’s what all “mainstream” scientists are hoping too, and trying to accomplish. Do you actually have anything concrete to offer on this front? Like a model that explains something “mainstream” scientists cannot explain? ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2006, 11:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/electric-sun/363586/230 "2006-07-16T23:20:10Z")
[QUOTE=TheFonz] So does he recieve a single warning which will be followed up with a ban as well? [/QUOTE] No. Now that I have actually seen his post, I will admonish **Miller** to refrain from direct personal insults, as well. **Miller** , stop that. On the other hand, **The Fonz** , you have multiple threads in which you have posted multiple taunts and you have already racked up one official Warning. At this point, on the thread-to-Warning ratio, you are far ahead of **Miller**. ---
**Author:** ![Revenant\_Threshold](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f1d935/32.png) [@Revenant\_Threshold](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revenant_Threshold)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2006, 11:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/electric-sun/363586/231 "2006-07-16T23:51:22Z")
**TheFonz** , I have a question for you (and I apologise for this hijacking, but it is relevant). Based on a post in the just-closed Mother Theresa thread of yours ([linky](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=7584795&postcount=29)), which i’ll quote from; [QUOTE=TheFonz] This is why saints and holy people have asked God to forgive us because we don’t know what it is we’re doing. They can’t explain it to us though, because there are evil people in this world who must not be allowed to know the nature of all things. If we “figure it all out” then, with our little feet that are quick to run to mischief, we’ll most likely commit even more evil atrocities with this newfound understanding of all things [/QUOTE] If i’m reading your this correctly, you’re suggesting that with an increased understanding of the universe will come a respective increase in the evil acts committed in the world. I don’t agree with that, but that’s besides the point to my question. If we assume you’re correct; isn’t then motivating others to discover the truths about the universe an immoral act, since it will in turn cause evil to spread? In other words, your arguments in this thread (designed to get us to agree with what you consider to be a truth of the universe) are an immoral act under your belief system. Would you agree? ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2006, 11:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/electric-sun/363586/232 "2006-07-16T23:53:53Z")
[QUOTE=tomndebb] **Miller** , stop that. [/QUOTE] Sorry. ---
**Author:** ![TheFonz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ac8455/32.png) [@TheFonz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TheFonz)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2006, 11:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/electric-sun/363586/233 "2006-07-16T23:55:19Z")
Yeah… ☹ This is a moral dilemma I’ve been having for a while now. To promote truth, or not to promote truth? I was thinking about Prometheus and his punishment for giving man fire. Not combustion, but more likely the green electric fire. You are right, though. I DO need to stop posting. ---
**Author:** ![TheFonz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ac8455/32.png) [@TheFonz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TheFonz)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2006, 11:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/electric-sun/363586/234 "2006-07-16T23:56:59Z")
> [@](#): > > If i’m reading your this correctly, you’re suggesting that with an increased understanding of the universe will come a respective increase in the evil acts committed in the world. I don’t agree with that, but that’s besides the point to my question. Not an increase in evil acts, but an increase in how evil those acts can be. ---
**Author:** ![Mangetout](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mangetout/32/19_2.png) [@Mangetout](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mangetout)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2006, 12:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/electric-sun/363586/235 "2006-07-17T00:30:27Z")
[QUOTE=TheFonz] Here’s your typical astronomer. “I like the way things are and I’m going to fight tooth and nail to keep it that way! Nevermind all the evidence for the electric nature of the Universe, I like things the way they are!” [/QUOTE] That’s such utter bullshit, you can’t possibly be taking yourself seriously. Astronomers are climbing over each other to make (and receive the attribution for) new discoveries; it’s an incredibly competitive field - there’s no better way to make a name for yourself than turn our complete understanding of the universe upside down. The reason your electric universe thing hasn’t done that is that it is mostly baseless woo-woo speculation and ignorant wibble. ---
**Author:** ![TheFonz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ac8455/32.png) [@TheFonz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TheFonz)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2006, 12:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/electric-sun/363586/236 "2006-07-17T00:44:44Z")
No, it’s because of people like you. Also, because Electric Universe opponents have been saying that it’s ignorant wibble for so long that if the truth finally came out they’d be out of jobs for being so ignorant themselves. But mainly it’s because evil people can’t be allowed to know the truth of all things. ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2006, 12:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/electric-sun/363586/237 "2006-07-17T00:47:52Z")
[QUOTE=TheFonz] No, it’s because of people like you. Also, because Electric Universe opponents have been saying that it’s ignorant wibble for so long that if the truth finally came out they’d be out of jobs for being so ignorant themselves. But mainly it’s because evil people can’t be allowed to know the truth of all things. [/QUOTE] What year was this “Electric Universe” hypothesis put forth? Who decides what is “truth” and why are evil people (_and who gets to decide who is evil?_) prohibited from knowing the truth? ---
**Author:** ![Revenant\_Threshold](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f1d935/32.png) [@Revenant\_Threshold](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revenant_Threshold)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2006, 12:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/electric-sun/363586/238 "2006-07-17T00:48:47Z")
[QUOTE=TheFonz] But mainly it’s because evil people can’t be allowed to know the truth of all things. [/QUOTE] But again, that you are actually debating this, trying to persuade people, is evil in and of itself. You’re acting immorally, by your own standards, right now. And if that’s so, then \*you \* must be included in these evil people that you mention. ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Borgia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/larry_borgia/32/156_2.png) [@Larry\_Borgia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Borgia)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2006, 12:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/electric-sun/363586/239 "2006-07-17T00:50:46Z")
**TheFonz** , I’m pasting a question I asked in the other thread. Again no offense, I’m just curious. > [@me](#): > > TheFonz, thanks for answering my question about your age. Again, no insult was implied. I’d like to ask a couple more. What led you to your unconventional beliefs? What was the first thing you read or noticed that started you on this path? ---
**Author:** ![Mangetout](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mangetout/32/19_2.png) [@Mangetout](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mangetout)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2006, 12:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/electric-sun/363586/240 "2006-07-17T00:51:42Z")
[QUOTE=TheFonz] No, it’s because of people like you. Also, because Electric Universe opponents have been saying that it’s ignorant wibble for so long that if the truth finally came out they’d be out of jobs for being so ignorant themselves. [/QUOTE] Perhaps you’re right, but our model of the universe _works_ - it explains observable phenomena and generates reliable predictions. Yours merely _steams_, from where it was recently pulled, fully-formed, out of your ass. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/electric-sun/363586.md?page=11) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/electric-sun/363586.md?page=13)