# Electric Sun **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [July 8, 2006, 2:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/electric-sun/363586 "2006-07-08T02:15:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 16
**Author:** ![DocCathode](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/doccathode/32/18773_2.png) [@DocCathode](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DocCathode)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2006, 9:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/electric-sun/363586/301 "2006-07-20T21:38:37Z")
Aha! **Terrifel** did it in [What’s the deal with the “collossal squid”?](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=334885&) ---
**Author:** ![TheFonz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ac8455/32.png) [@TheFonz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TheFonz)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2006, 9:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/electric-sun/363586/302 "2006-07-20T21:41:29Z")
[QUOTE=DocCathode] **Fonz** Blah Blah Blah BLah… We’re not blinded by accepted models. We disagree with authority all the time. Sometimes, we even question the word of Uncle Cecil. I’ve looked at your evidence and interpreted in a very different way than you. I suspect that the other posters have as well. [/QUOTE] That’s all fine and dandy, you can interpret it however you choose. You can interpret the economy through the stock market if you wish, but that won’t stop the economy from crashing horribly and the currency we keep in our pockets from failing. It didn’t stop Moses and the Israelites and all those good guys from talking to God through the Ark of the Covenant. I started off this topic focused on the Electric Sun, I gave many examples why we should believe in the electromagnetic nature of our Sun and the solar wind, from how our magnetic poles glow to the vortices on the surface of the Sun to all sorts of other things but you snubbed it. I tried to get interdisciplinary with it and move on to the nature of our souls and how this relates to many things we read about in our ancient religions. There’s all sorts of crap you can find all over the world talking about ancient technology that matches our own. You snubbed that, as well. Oh well. Anything I say can’t be more convincing than anything our ancestors said or what we can observe in our Universe or what we see happening in our world around us. With that, I’ll leave you with some updated lyrics from John Lennon: had all the people living in the world agreed, there would have been an answer had it been. for though we had been parted there was still a chance we could have seen, there would have been an answer had it been. Not anymore, though. Our chance came and went. ---
**Author:** ![DocCathode](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/doccathode/32/18773_2.png) [@DocCathode](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DocCathode)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2006, 9:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/electric-sun/363586/303 "2006-07-20T21:50:27Z")
[QUOTE=TheFonz] That’s all fine and dandy, you can interpret it however you choose. [/QUOTE] You’ve never shown why your interpretation is correct, or more explanatory than the conventional one. By the way. Replacing my quoted words with “blah blah blah” is not only rude, it is a violation of SDMB. > [@](#): > > It didn’t stop Moses and the Israelites and all those good guys from talking to God through the Ark of the Covenant. Moses also spoke to G-d without the Ark. So did all the prophets who came before him. > [@](#): > > I started off this topic focused on the Electric Sun, I gave many examples why we should believe in the electromagnetic nature of our Sun and the solar wind, from how our magnetic poles glow to the vortices on the surface of the Sun to all sorts of other things but you snubbed it. Because your examples are better explained by accepted models. > [@](#): > > I tried to get interdisciplinary with it and move on to the nature of our souls and how this relates to many things we read about in our ancient religions. There’s all sorts of crap you can find all over the world talking about ancient technology that matches our own. You snubbed that, as well. Again current models already explain things. > [@](#): > > Our chance came and went. When and why? ---
**Author:** ![Angua](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/8baadc/32.png) [@Angua](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Angua)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2006, 9:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/electric-sun/363586/304 "2006-07-20T21:54:20Z")
**DocCathode** , thank you for expressing far more succinctly what I was attempting to say, but failing miserably (to the extent that I wrote about three posts and deleting them all before posting!). ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2006, 9:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/electric-sun/363586/305 "2006-07-20T21:55:12Z")
[Quote=TheFonz] > [@DocCathode](#): > > **Fonz** Blah Blah Blah BLah… [/quote] [Falsely attributing a quote to another user, or modifying another’s post in order to cast him/her in a bad light, even if meant in jest, is grounds for revocation of your posting privileges.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=2171051&postcount=9) Do not mangle other posters quotes. If you need to remove text, simply use ellipses. [/Moderating] ---
**Author:** ![TheFonz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ac8455/32.png) [@TheFonz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TheFonz)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2006, 9:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/electric-sun/363586/306 "2006-07-20T21:57:41Z")
> [@](#): > > Because your examples are better explained by accepted models. Not always, but everything I say goes in one ear and out the other. You can’t be told what the Matrix is Doc, you gotta see it for yourself. Jeez. :smack: ---
**Author:** ![Angua](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/8baadc/32.png) [@Angua](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Angua)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2006, 10:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/electric-sun/363586/307 "2006-07-20T22:04:44Z")
[QUOTE=TheFonz] Not always, but everything I say goes in one ear and out the other. You can’t be told what the Matrix is Doc, you gotta see it for yourself. Jeez. :smack: [/QUOTE] No. Accepted scientific method is that if you want to show that an established model is incorrect, your new theory must firstly be able to explain what is already known, and secondly, it must make predictions that can be verified experimentally. If a new model that you propose can’t do **both** of those things, then it will be questioned, and it will not be taken seriously. Simply asserting that your pet theory is correct, and all of established science is wrong, without real proof (pretty pictures do not count as real proof, you can make a pretty picture show _anything_), and without making any new and verifiable predictions you will get absolutely nowhere, and will lead to the reception that you have had here. ---
**Author:** ![Contrapuntal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e274bd/32.png) [@Contrapuntal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Contrapuntal)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2006, 10:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/electric-sun/363586/308 "2006-07-20T22:07:23Z")
[QUOTE=TheFonz] Not always, but everything I say goes in one ear and out the other. You can’t be told what the Matrix is Doc, you gotta see it for yourself. Jeez. :smack: [/QUOTE] Anyway, **Fonz** , how about that double helix galaxy that turned out to be anything but? Any thoughts you wish to share? ---
**Author:** ![DocCathode](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/doccathode/32/18773_2.png) [@DocCathode](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DocCathode)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2006, 10:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/electric-sun/363586/309 "2006-07-20T22:11:40Z")
[QUOTE=TheFonz] You can’t be told what the Matrix is Doc, you gotta see it for yourself. Jeez. [/QUOTE] Read the squid thread. **Terrifel** did it. So far, your cites have been largely pictures which show things easily explained by accpeted models. Pictures of ‘filaments’ on sunspots? Hot gas doing what hot gas does. Tornadoes surrounding sunspots? I don’t see any. The soul is electrical? Why hasn’t any ICU noticed? Hurricane Katrina’s path? Not remotely unusual. The asteroid belt being a destroyed planet? Wasn’t that theory the prevailing one until disproven a century or so ago? Jesus having electrical powers? Holy things in devotional art glow. The Ark being an electrical device? Basic math and electrical laws show it doesn’t work. It’s you who dismisses any explanation that doesn’t fit your preconceived ideas. The Matrix has _you_. Not a matrix built by machines, but from bad neurochemistry. You’ve already admitted that your beliefs are indistinguishable from the delusions of schizophrenics. What then, is the difference between you and a schizophrenic? Really ask yourself that question. A therapist can help you. An antipsychotic or other pill (it may be red, it may be blue) can restore you to reality. Once back, you can apply your inteligence to a worthwhile goal and accomplish actual good for your fellow man. ---
**Author:** ![TheFonz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ac8455/32.png) [@TheFonz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TheFonz)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2006, 10:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/electric-sun/363586/310 "2006-07-20T22:34:29Z")
> [@](#): > > Anyway, Fonz, how about that double helix galaxy that turned out to be anything but? Any thoughts you wish to share? Yeah. Before thanking my mom, Jesus, and everyone involved in this project, I’ll say that it’s a giant electrified gas cloud that’s under the same forces as our DNA and Birkeland currents. Just much much bigger than those in labs, but much smaller than a galaxy. Big whoop. > [@](#): > > Pictures of ‘filaments’ on sunspots? Hot gas doing what hot gas does. > Tornadoes surrounding sunspots? I don’t see any. Really? Because the mainstream scientists do… Hot gas does what got gas does for a reason. It just doesn’t up and decide to start spinning in tornadoes and create sunspots… aaaahhhh, suddenly your world became so much clearer to me. I apologize Doc, I don’t think I’ll ever be able to help you understand the Electric Universe… ---
**Author:** ![Bytegeist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/9dc877/32.png) [@Bytegeist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bytegeist)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2006, 10:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/electric-sun/363586/311 "2006-07-20T22:38:41Z")
[QUOTE=DocCathode] Tornadoes surrounding sunspots? I don’t see any. [/quote] To be fair, **Fonz** is probably referring to [plasma](http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2001/ast07nov_1.htm) [hurricanes](http://soho.nascom.nasa.gov/hotshots/2001_11_06/) (not tornadoes), which are indeed associated with sunspots. However, these are local to the Sun and don’t occur on planets. They’re also not any indication that the Sun is driven by electric power as opposed to fusion. ---
**Author:** ![DocCathode](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/doccathode/32/18773_2.png) [@DocCathode](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DocCathode)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2006, 10:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/electric-sun/363586/312 "2006-07-20T22:38:59Z")
[QUOTE=TheFonz] Really? Because the mainstream scientists do [/QUOTE] In the images you linked to? Or in general? > [@](#): > > aaaahhhh, suddenly your world became so much clearer to me. What does this mean? ---
**Author:** ![Contrapuntal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e274bd/32.png) [@Contrapuntal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Contrapuntal)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2006, 10:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/electric-sun/363586/313 "2006-07-20T22:55:02Z")
[QUOTE=TheFonz] Yeah. Before thanking my mom, Jesus, and everyone involved in this project, I’ll say that it’s a giant electrified gas cloud that’s under the same forces as our DNA and Birkeland currents. Just much much bigger than those in labs, but much smaller than a galaxy. Big whoop. [/QUOTE] Well, it is a big whoop because you cited it’s existence **as a galaxy** to lend support to your thesis. If, in your electric universe, galaxies are indistinguishable from gas clouds, you should have stated so up front. Not a minor detail, really. It makes it look as if you are simply linking to “evidence” that you do not understand. That being the case, how can you expect us to? ---
**Author:** ![TheFonz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ac8455/32.png) [@TheFonz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TheFonz)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2006, 12:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/electric-sun/363586/314 "2006-07-21T00:29:54Z")
[QUOTE=Contrapuntal] Well, it is a big whoop because you cited it’s existence **as a galaxy** to lend support to your thesis. If, in your electric universe, galaxies are indistinguishable from gas clouds, you should have stated so up front. Not a minor detail, really. It makes it look as if you are simply linking to “evidence” that you do not understand. That being the case, how can you expect us to? [/QUOTE] Sorry, but that’s what [space.com](http://space.com) called it so that’s what I called it too. ---
**Author:** ![DiggitCamara](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/df788c/32.png) [@DiggitCamara](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DiggitCamara)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2006, 1:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/electric-sun/363586/315 "2006-07-21T01:00:08Z")
[QUOTE=TheFonz] Sorry, but that’s what [space.com](http://space.com) called it so that’s what I called it too. [/QUOTE] Cite? ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2006, 1:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/electric-sun/363586/316 "2006-07-21T01:00:34Z")
[QUOTE=TheFonz] Sorry, but that’s what [space.com](http://space.com) called it so that’s what I called it too. [/QUOTE] That’s funny. The first dozen references to it that I found on [space.com](http://space.com) refer to it as a nebula. Do you have an actual citation to a [space.com](http://space.com) page calling it a galaxy? ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2006, 4:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/electric-sun/363586/317 "2006-07-21T04:03:14Z")
[QUOTE=tomndebb] Do you have an actual citation to a [space.com](http://space.com) page calling it a galaxy? [/QUOTE] [I do!](http://s96.photobucket.com/albums/l172/Cervaise/?action=view¤t=thisisagalaxy.jpg&refPage=&imgAnch=imgAnch1) ---
**Author:** ![Crotalus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crotalus/32/41_2.png) [@Crotalus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crotalus)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2006, 11:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/electric-sun/363586/318 "2006-07-21T11:11:12Z")
[QUOTE=TheFonz] \With that, I’ll leave you with some updated lyrics from John Lennon: had all the people living in the world agreed, there would have been an answer had it been. for though we had been parted there was still a chance we could have seen, there would have been an answer had it been. Not anymore, though. Our chance came and went. [/QUOTE] Now you’ve gone too far. 😃 You butcher the lyrics to Let It Be and attribute the original to John Lennon? Sheesh. You just lost all of your credibility, dude. And **Cervaise** , thanks for that link. Very funny!! ---
**Author:** ![Geiselcat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47774/32.png) [@Geiselcat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Geiselcat)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2006, 3:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/electric-sun/363586/319 "2006-07-21T15:38:39Z")
After reading this very long thread, I have some questions for you, TheFonz: 1. What were you hoping to acheive in this thread? The fact that you stand alone must have become obvious about 150 posts ago, yet you continue on. 2. Why do you feel that anyone should believe your theory? Do you feel that you’ve offered a good enough reason for people to change their minds about the nature of the universe? Do you think it’s right for anyone to believe in this theory based on what you’ve presented? 3. When did you start believing this theory? What do you intend to do, based on this belief? As for everyone else… …you all seem to really enjoy all being right, together, a little too much. Can’t you find a better sense of pride than outarguing someone who has no real argument? I could spend an evening down at the cafe with some friends, jeering at a local alien conspiracy believer, but it seems a little childish and unnecessary, eh? ---
**Author:** ![Grey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b782af/32.png) [@Grey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grey)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2006, 4:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/electric-sun/363586/320 "2006-07-21T16:25:16Z")
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