I didn’t have enough open um, circuits? on my circuit board, and putting in a 240V outlet for the charger would be non-trivial. Putting in the 120V charger was cheap.
Most dedicated chargers are around $500, so it sounds like the cost was about $250 for the actual wiring. That’s a good price.
I don’t know about other EVs but the Tesla comes with their “mobile charger”. It does 240V @ 32A, so it’s no slouch. It can plug into a standard 14-50 outlet (or lots of other kinds).
In your situation, I’d pay the guy $250+$50 to install an outlet instead of the dedicated charger, and then use the mobile charger. It’s easy enough to grab it in case you might need it on the road, but otherwise you can just leave it rolled up on the wall like a hose.
And a lot of chargers have both a direct-wire and plug-in version, so if you start out with just an outlet, you can always add a charger at a later date if you decide you need it.
What you’re responding to was a direct response to asking why single-car owners would not choose to own an EV and rent an ICE whenever they want to take a ‘long’ trip. And the quote of mine that you’re responding to didn’t say anything remotely like ‘you’re not allowed to be super-avoidant of oil changes’, so there’s no basis to claim that I’m deciding what disruptions YOU are allowed to be bothered. But if anyone is seriously wondering why single car owners might find ‘spending 30 minutes on an oil change 3-4 times a year’ that you can do when it fits your schedule and that they don’t run out of, less of a bother than ‘spending 30+ minutes renting a car, taking it home, loading your stuff in it, then unloading it to return it 2+times a month whenever you’re making a not-short trip’, and that might not be available if you’re taking a trip on a popular weekend for travelling, you’ve drunk way too much of the EV Kool-Aid.
Then I have no idea why you were trying to make a point about “It’s not very hard to charge an EV in rural America” when that wasn’t a point under discussion in the exchange we were having. That you can charge a car if you’re willing to spend a long time at an electric outlet is not something I’ve disputed, nor that developed rural areas generally have power somewhere.
Yeah, those people are pretty silly, are there any posting in the thread still?
Tow or carry a range extender, i.e. become a hybrid or fuel-cell vehicle. An RE should fit nicely in the CyberTruck’s bed. Or keep a spare battery pack in a car trunk. Not cheap either way.
What’s a rough estimate of time for a 20-miles-more charge? (That’s like adding a gallon of gas to a minivan or diesel to our Sprinter.) A fast recharge might suffice in urbanity but I can point to western US roads where the nearest service or outlet is 50 miles away. Don’t run out of juice on blue highways.
That depends. Tow drivers may find it MUCH more profitable to tow than to recharge, especially out in the boonies.
The current ICE infrastructures in most nations weren’t built quickly. Gasoline was a pharmacy item circa 1900. EV support has a bit of a head-start but how much of the world’s vehicle routes will be wired for EVs anytime soon? When will even California have a stable power grid?
Something like an F-350 could easily power a 250 kW generator with the right power take-off system. V3 Superchargers peak at 250 kW, and you really get that when the battery is close to empty. Adding 20 miles will take… 1.2 minutes at that rate. Uh, round that up to 5 minutes to get the battery warmed up and such.
Probably something more like 50 kW is more likely (and basically every EV can charge at that rate, so it wouldn’t be limited to Teslas). Still under 10 minutes, though.
I wonder if an EV could hook up to the 30 amp outlets you see at camping areas that have full hookups for RV’s?
Anyhow I can see more and more places putting these in. Around here Walmarts and grocery stores have hookups.
Yup, you’re definitely not telling me what disruptions I’m allowed to be bothered by. But if I happen to be bothered by them, I’ve “drunk too much of the EV Kool-Aid”. Silly me. Makes perfect sense.
Wait, I thought according to this thread, camping areas never have outlets?!
I believe common RV hookups are either NEMA 14-50 (240V / 50 amp) or TT-30 (120V / 30-amp).
In tesla’s case, you can buy an adapter for the mobile connector for $35 that will support most common outlet types.
However, Tesla doesn’t have a direct TT-30 adapter, so if TT-30 is all that’s available you’d have to buy something from a third party. I don’t think TT-30 will get better than ~9 mi/hr of charging (vs. 30 mi/hr on 14-50)
I have not and do not own an EV, but for more than fifteen years, drove a Honda Civic that used only compressed natural gas as a fuel. It was similar to an EV in many ways: It had a 200 mile range, I had a compressor at home, there were only a handful of public places I could refuel, and if I ran out, I would not be walking with a can. I simply made very, very sure not to run out of fuel; it was not difficult.
If I had run out I suppose AAA would tow me to the nearest station where, to be honest, a fillup was about the same time as refueling a gasoline-powered vehicle.
Gotta admit, this is why I haven’t bought a lot of ICE cars that I otherwise like – because they aren’t large enough to stow the equipment I need for a once-yearly trip, and I’m not willing to spend the time THAT WEEKEND, WHEN I’M FRANTICALLY PREPARING for the trip dealing with the hassle of renting a car.
Because you were whining about how hard it is to find a place to charge a car outside of their own home, and criticizing my examples of people actually doing so:
I was pointing out that even if I don’t happen to have a spare 240V outlet lying around, it’s pretty easy to find a place to charge if you are, for instance, spending the night with your boyfriend, or heck, even at the rural children’s camp I stayed at last weekend.
That is a pretty common way for people to do destination charging when either no better options are available, or they are in fact camping. Sleeping inside an EV with the rear seat folded down or something is just as good/bad as doing it in any other car, but with the added benefit that the heat or AC can be run all night.
I didn’t say what you’re claiming I said here, and people can read the quoted material to be sure. I said that if you are “seriously wondering why single car owners might find…” renting a car every time they take a longer trip more of a hassle than oil changes a few times per year, then you’ve drunk too much of the EV Kool-Aid. It’s not if you happen to have the unusual and extreme aversion to oil changes that some EV proponents do that you’ve ‘drunk the kool-aid’, it’s if you don’t understand/believe/accept that other people, who are not deeply engrossed in Ev advocacy, don’t share that extreme and specific aversion to oil changes to the degree that they would rather spend much more time and energy on renting cars.
Sigh And yet again, EV fanatics don’t seem to get that not everyone lives their exact life. Your examples are simply not some universal fact. If your boyfriend lives in a place where charging is convenient for you, that doesn’t mean that my partner (or a lot of other people’s partners) do also. Mine in fact lives in an apartment with no directly attached parking, and I park in a dirt lot (with no outlets) or on the street (again with no outlets) while I’m there, and would likely get a ticket if I left 300’ or more of cable from their apartment to my vehicle. The fact that your rural children’s camp has an outlet right in the parking lot is great for you, but it’s not the case at any of the half dozen places I went camping last year, or any but one of the dozen or so my brother did, or the one big weekend festival my other brother went to, or the other big festival that a dozen or so people I know went to.
Further, ‘hard’ is weasel words While it wouldn’t be a labor of Hercules to find an outlet if I was staying at my parent’s house, it also would not exactly be reasonable.
If I have to arrive during a cookout, get other people to move their vehicles so I can park close to the house, run 100’ or more of cable across an area where people will be walking while carrying stuff, and then take all of that down again when I leave, that’s not hardly the negligible ‘5 seconds of labor there’s no way you’d ever forget or put off’ that people claim charging is.
I think it’s really silly that EV proponents keep painting this picture of a world where there are superchargers easy to find with never a wait along any highway you might travel, every shopping center and hotel has a 240v charger that is always in service with nary a wait, every apartment has assigned parking that a guest can use with charging available, and all places you might camp have an outlet within a five minute walk of your campsite that’s never out of service or tied up by someone else. And it’s especially silly when they whine that I’m ‘discounting their experiences’ when I point out that most of the country doesn’t work that way.
90 percent of this thread has been people telling you that you should never own an EV, and you arguing that your experience with cars and being unable to remember to plug electronics in at night is broadly applicable to life in America.
You’re presuming that such rentals would happen often. Or even yearly. For many people, they would shade towards “never”.
Yes, I get that you have a daily commute of half a billion miles or whatever it was you didn’t say. But there are many, many people who are 1) not you, and 2) simply do not have driving needs that would require major accommodation if they were using an EV.
Persons who have driving needs or otherwise are in situations that don’t work well with EVs without major accommodations should not get EVs - at least not until the circumstances change to allow the EVs to be more suited to their needs. This statement does not apply to peoples who merely believe that only gas cars will work for them due to misapprehensions about the capabilities and use of EVs or misapprehensions about their own driving habits and requirements.
Lest we not forget, post #1089 was you taking offense to a simple statement that a hypothetical 5 minute walk was “not totally disrupting your weekend”, and yet somehow you’ve declared that anyone that doesn’t like wasting 30+ minutes 4 times a year for an oil change has a “unusual and extreme aversion.” Got it.