# Elementary Kids Sing Obama Indoctrination Song **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 26, 2009, 4:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elementary-kids-sing-obama-indoctrination-song/511623 "2009-09-26T04:36:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Evil\_One](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/45deac/32.png) [@Evil\_One](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_One)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2009, 3:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elementary-kids-sing-obama-indoctrination-song/511623/61 "2009-09-26T15:00:04Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > There is? And that would be what, exactly? Don’t be deliberately obtuse, luci. It’s unbecoming. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_One](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/45deac/32.png) [@Evil\_One](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_One)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2009, 3:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elementary-kids-sing-obama-indoctrination-song/511623/62 "2009-09-26T15:08:02Z")
> [@Harborwolf](#): > > **And you’re helping**. You didn’t just pit the teacher. You made a point to stick this to liberals in particular as I addressed above. You can try to hold yourself above it as hard as you want, but you are part of the fucking problem. Just because you didn’t attempt to use it as a call to arms doesn’t make it any better. > > As I said, you want to be considered an educated american with policy differences? Act like it. You want to be lumped in with the rabid masses? Keep doing what you’re doing. You’re right. I could have just pitted the teacher instead of launching a preemtive strike on the hypocrisy I was anticipating. I should have waited to see if it appeared and then addressed it accordingly. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2009, 3:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elementary-kids-sing-obama-indoctrination-song/511623/63 "2009-09-26T15:11:12Z")
> [@](#): > > …It’s unbecoming. Its sweet of you to care, but why don’t you let me worry about that, and you just worry about answering the question. > [@](#): > > …Fox is getting the benefit of providing content to a numerical majority. And here I was, thinking you lacked a sense of humor! ---
**Author:** ![Michael\_Ellis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/977dab/32.png) [@Michael\_Ellis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Michael_Ellis)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2009, 3:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elementary-kids-sing-obama-indoctrination-song/511623/64 "2009-09-26T15:12:34Z")
I’m going to ask this question again because I haven’t gotten an answer from **Evil One**. > [@Michael\_Ellis](#): > > Question time for you: Which of these is a probably a lone nut, and which one is without any room for argument a highly popular star of a major news network? ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_One](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/45deac/32.png) [@Evil\_One](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_One)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2009, 3:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elementary-kids-sing-obama-indoctrination-song/511623/65 "2009-09-26T15:24:59Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Its sweet of you to care, but why don’t you let me worry about that, and you just worry about answering the question. If you insist. The key is in the words “to” and “about”. The children in the White House were invited there and performed to the President and First Lady. It was a public event. The song was intended for the children to look cute and for the First Lady to applaud. The children in New Jersey were filmed singing a song about the President to please the teacher. > [@elucidator](#): > > And here I was, thinking you lacked a sense of humor! Fox’s ratings regularly exceed the other cable news networks combined. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_One](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/45deac/32.png) [@Evil\_One](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_One)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2009, 3:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elementary-kids-sing-obama-indoctrination-song/511623/66 "2009-09-26T15:30:30Z")
> [@Michael\_Ellis](#): > > I’m going to ask this question again because I haven’t gotten an answer from **Evil One**. If you insist. I thought you were trying to make some sort of rhetorical point. A. The teacher. B. Glenn Beck. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2009, 3:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elementary-kids-sing-obama-indoctrination-song/511623/67 "2009-09-26T15:35:41Z")
> [@Evil\_One](#): > > …Fox’s ratings regularly exceed the other cable news networks combined. Why, yes they do, don’t they? But that’s not what you said. See, its things like this which is the reason why you guys never win any elections. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_One](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/45deac/32.png) [@Evil\_One](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_One)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2009, 3:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elementary-kids-sing-obama-indoctrination-song/511623/68 "2009-09-26T15:44:39Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Why, yes they do, don’t they? But that’s not what you said. > > See, its things like this which is the reason why you guys never win any elections. Fox’s ratings were what I meant by “numerical majority”. Not everyone in the country is a news consumer. Of those that are, Fox is getting a huge majority. ---
**Author:** ![Harborwolf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@Harborwolf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Harborwolf)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2009, 3:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elementary-kids-sing-obama-indoctrination-song/511623/69 "2009-09-26T15:47:20Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > And here I was, thinking you lacked a sense of humor! I think [this](http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/52602) is what **Evil One** is referring to. > [@](#): > > In 2009, 40% percent of respondents in Gallup surveys that have interviewed more than 160,000 Americans have said that they are either “conservative” (31%) or “very conservative” (9%). That is the highest percentage in any year since 2004. If you figure that your basic conservative is going to be loyal to the news that makes them feel good inside, the liberals do likewise, and the moderates/independents turn off their televisions and quitely mourn the death of actual journalism vs. rampant editorializing(okay, that’s what I do), then Fox would have the majority of the audience. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_One](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/45deac/32.png) [@Evil\_One](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_One)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2009, 3:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elementary-kids-sing-obama-indoctrination-song/511623/70 "2009-09-26T15:53:00Z")
I wasn’t going to get into the survey but that’s the gist of my point, yes. I happen to think that Obama benefited from first-time voters and people who bought the moderate facade. Now that the mask is off, many people are having second thoughts as evidenced by polling, approval ratings, etc. We’ll have to see what happens at the polls in 2010 and 2012. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2009, 3:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elementary-kids-sing-obama-indoctrination-song/511623/71 "2009-09-26T15:55:53Z")
> [@Evil\_One](#): > > Fox’s ratings were what I meant by “numerical majority”. Not everyone in the country is a news consumer. Of those that are, Fox is getting a huge majority. “And as Lance Armstrong approaches the finish line, the crowd is cheering…wait!..whats this!..Its **Evil One** , backpedaling at 310 miles per hour!..and the crowd goes wild!” ---
**Author:** ![MsWhatsit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/eb8c5e/32.png) [@MsWhatsit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MsWhatsit)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2009, 3:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elementary-kids-sing-obama-indoctrination-song/511623/72 "2009-09-26T15:55:55Z")
> [@Evil\_One](#): > > I wasn’t going to get into the survey but that’s the gist of my point, yes. I happen to think that Obama benefited from first-time voters and people who bought the moderate facade. Now that the mask is off, many people are having second thoughts as evidenced by polling, approval ratings, etc. We’ll have to see what happens at the polls in 2010 and 2012. Huh. I thought that Obama benefited from people who bought his liberal facade, only to be surprised when he revealed his true moderate self post-election. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_One](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/45deac/32.png) [@Evil\_One](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_One)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2009, 3:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elementary-kids-sing-obama-indoctrination-song/511623/73 "2009-09-26T15:59:36Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > “And as Lance Armstrong approaches the finish line, the crowd is cheering…wait!..whats this!..Its **Evil One** , backpedaling at 310 miles per hour!..and the crowd goes wild!” What am I backpedaling from? ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_One](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/45deac/32.png) [@Evil\_One](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_One)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2009, 4:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elementary-kids-sing-obama-indoctrination-song/511623/74 "2009-09-26T16:01:43Z")
> [@MsWhatsit](#): > > Huh. I thought that Obama benefited from people who bought his liberal facade, only to be surprised when he revealed his true moderate self post-election. At the risk of hijacking my own thread, what Obama has done and is trying to do cannot be classified as moderate. The degree of government intervention and spending is classic leftward thinking. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2009, 4:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elementary-kids-sing-obama-indoctrination-song/511623/75 "2009-09-26T16:02:03Z")
Oh, my. Deliberately obtuse is soooo unbecoming! Tsk. ---
**Author:** ![Harborwolf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@Harborwolf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Harborwolf)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2009, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elementary-kids-sing-obama-indoctrination-song/511623/76 "2009-09-26T16:05:05Z")
> [@Evil\_One](#): > > I wasn’t going to get into the survey but that’s the gist of my point, yes. I happen to think that Obama benefited from first-time voters and people who bought the moderate facade. Now that the mask is off, many people are having second thoughts as evidenced by polling, approval ratings, etc. We’ll have to see what happens at the polls in 2010 and 2012. And on the other side, now that the election is over the republicans seem to be purging the RINOs and aiming to simply entertain/maintain the base of loyal dregs. It’s not a bad idea as moderates play less of a role in low turnout midterm elections, but the question is how many of those self identified conservatives are true die hards or those identifying as such due to the constructed negative connotations of the word liberal. Of course, this is betting on games during the preseason. It all comes down to who runs the second worst campaign, not whose politics represent the public best. ---
**Author:** ![ladyfoxfyre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ad7895/32.png) [@ladyfoxfyre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ladyfoxfyre)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2009, 4:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elementary-kids-sing-obama-indoctrination-song/511623/77 "2009-09-26T16:28:26Z")
> [@Evil\_One](#): > > You’re right. I could have just pitted the teacher instead of launching a preemtive strike on the hypocrisy I was anticipating. I should have waited to see if it appeared and then addressed it accordingly. But that’s not how any of these threads around here ever, ever work, now is it. Good job trying to play humble and say “oh gosh, this is probably what I should have done, woe is me.” Fuck off. Each and every time one of these “Look what the Libruls did” threads come around, it’s an attempt at a preemptive gotcha, foam flying everywhere and the increasingly inevitable “YOU ALL WOULD BE SO PISSED **IF BUSH HAD DONE THIS**!!!” Because that’s really the whole point. You’re massively upset about the sand in your hemorrhoid cream and want everyone to be just as pissed as you are by concocting ways in which the situation would upset them too, if only the situation were completely different. God damn, if you can’t make a case for your own outrage without trying to paint some other entity as a hypocrite as justification for your own recreational outrage, just stop goddamned trying already. Shodan does this. Starving Artist does this. magellan01 does this. Kimmy\_gibbler does this. Carol Stream. Rand Rover. The list, I assure you, goes on. Whatever the minute speck of an issue is, like some stupid teacher having her kids sing a song about Obama, may at its face be “not that big of a fucking deal.” So most of us agree that yeah, it’s a stupid thing to do. But we’re not writing letters to the superintendent over an issue from 8 months ago because it’s “not that big of a fucking deal.” But you seem to think that you’re going to point out major inconsistencies when nobody but your own kind gets as frothy as you do about it. And this is of course the point of this exercise. That’s why we have pit threads which essentially start off saying “Why is there not a pit thread about this from the democrats, huh? If you’re so outraged at this stuff why aren’t you pitting it from the other side, huh? Prove that you’re not hypocrites!!” Then you can pat eachother on the back and say “Give it up man, they’re so far gone they don’t even realize the depths of their own naivete.” Any attempts to discuss the issue rationally in terms of said incident being “not that big of a fucking deal” or at the very least “one stupid idiot that has already been dealt with months ago for the issue” is blown off as more partisan blindness. So we have to go through this about every week or so. Somebody drudges up a 2 paragraph article from January of 2009 and presents it like it happened yesterday, so we can keep the cycle of continued outrage going, keep fanning the flames and talking about how the “honeymoon is over” and “people are starting to realize…(insert talking point of the day)” and “the numbers clearly show…well, they clearly show if you tilt them sideways and hold under an ultraviolet light while singing psalms backwards that nobody really likes Obama anymore anyway.” Fucking sick of this garbage. ---
**Author:** ![MOIDALIZE](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e274bd/32.png) [@MOIDALIZE](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MOIDALIZE)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2009, 4:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elementary-kids-sing-obama-indoctrination-song/511623/78 "2009-09-26T16:49:19Z")
Ah yes, the nefarious plot to create an Obama Youth has been exposed at last. Soon he will have created an unstoppable army of Brown Shirts, ready to do his bidding 15 years from now, well after he’s out of office. Diabolical! ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2009, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elementary-kids-sing-obama-indoctrination-song/511623/79 "2009-09-26T17:32:56Z")
> [@MOIDALIZE](#): > > ..well after he’s out of office… Assuming that the President for Life Amendment hasn’t passed yet. ---
**Author:** ![MOIDALIZE](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e274bd/32.png) [@MOIDALIZE](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MOIDALIZE)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2009, 5:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elementary-kids-sing-obama-indoctrination-song/511623/80 "2009-09-26T17:40:01Z")
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