# Elementary Kids Sing Obama Indoctrination Song **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 26, 2009, 4:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elementary-kids-sing-obama-indoctrination-song/511623 "2009-09-26T04:36:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![samclem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a9a28c/32.png) [@samclem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/samclem)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2009, 12:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elementary-kids-sing-obama-indoctrination-song/511623/121 "2009-09-27T00:18:00Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Jesus Tiberius Christ, **Sam,** what’s got into you? I vote changeling. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2009, 12:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elementary-kids-sing-obama-indoctrination-song/511623/122 "2009-09-27T00:24:01Z")
So, what do we need, here? Silver bullet? Exorcism? Venezuelan beaver cheese? What? ---
**Author:** ![Earl\_Snake-Hips\_Tucker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/earl_snake-hips_tucker/32/3269_2.png) [@Earl\_Snake-Hips\_Tucker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Earl_Snake-Hips_Tucker)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2009, 12:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elementary-kids-sing-obama-indoctrination-song/511623/123 "2009-09-27T00:29:27Z")
[Mmm, Mmm, Mmm!](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=370667). ---
**Author:** ![CannyDan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cannydan/32/548_2.png) [@CannyDan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CannyDan)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2009, 12:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elementary-kids-sing-obama-indoctrination-song/511623/124 "2009-09-27T00:50:20Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > **Canny Dan**? Cite? Not doubting, just want to rub somebody’s nose…uh, want to share it. Yes, thats it! Share! Sorry, I wandered away. Amazing that I could leave SDMB with the good work still unfinished, I know, but I-- ah, went to check the litterbox. Yeah. Thanks to \*\*ladyfoxfyre \*\*for providing the link in my absence. My bad for leaving it out. Now that I’m back I see there isn’t much different. _sigh_ ---
**Author:** ![Raygun99](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/6f9a4e/32.png) [@Raygun99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Raygun99)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2009, 1:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elementary-kids-sing-obama-indoctrination-song/511623/125 "2009-09-27T01:06:37Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > So you have some examples of things I’ve posted that are transparently false? > > In this thread, I said that ACORN was supposed to receive 7 billion dollars from the stimulus. I did some searching, and it appears that the number was whittled down to 4.19 billion, specifically set aside in the stimulus for ‘neighborhood stabilization activities’. That money was originally supposed to go only to state and local governments, but Democrats changed the language to specifically allow the money to be dispersed to groups like ACORN. Here’s one [cite](http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2009/01/acorn_eligible_for_billions_fr.html). But see - here’s the thing, even in the most extreme version, ACORN was eligible, **eligible** to apply for this money, against countless other groups. Yet your first statement was that Democrats wanted to give them the whole seven billion. There’s no reading of this where that’s a reasonable conclusion. As for other incidents on this board, I refer to the already mentioned Honduras coup thread, and the Canadian Human Rights Commission issue. I don’t mean to imply that I think you’re insincere about any of these issues - your sincerity is one of your most obvious qualities on this board. I just think you’re a bit … credulous in where you’re getting this stuff from lately. ---
**Author:** ![WildlifeGuy\_Tim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/8491ac/32.png) [@WildlifeGuy\_Tim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WildlifeGuy_Tim)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2009, 1:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elementary-kids-sing-obama-indoctrination-song/511623/126 "2009-09-27T01:25:42Z")
> [@Harborwolf](#): > > Seriously. You’ve got three years and change left. If you’re going to freak out over what one stupid teacher did months ago and try to inflate it into some grand socialist conspiracy to brainwash our children, you’re gonna be all tuckered out before years end. Pace yourselves. You could maybe try (since you have sooooooo many policy differences with Obama) _making a big fucking stink over the actual policy decisions like sane people would instead of blowing every tiny little fart into a tin foil hat worthy hurricane of conspiracy nonsense._ > > How fucking hard would that be? Must be impossible, because we get “OBAMADEATHPANELGRANNYKILLINGYOULIESOCIALISTBROWNSHIRTMARXISTDESTROYINGAMERICAINDOCRINATEKIDSTHROUGHTHEPOWEROFHISVOICERAWROMG!!!” instead of _reasonable discussions on policy_. > > Yeah. The teacher is an idiot. Hope she [del]gets[/del] got (that’s right, months ago.:rolleyes:) reprimanded for this nonsense. **Evil One** , you’re just as big an idiot for furthering this utterly retarded political circus horseshit that has fuck all to do with Obama, the administration, or policy. You’re an educated american with policy differences? Stick to those. Right now you, and every other moron trying to make political hay out of this, look like a petty, ignorant, desperate, shit flinging child who is too damned scared to actually debate policy like a grown up. What you said! I mean come on!I vaguely remember getting upset about the gutting of our constitution and even the illusion of a right to privacy, then there was the insanity of taking our eye off of the ball in AFGANISI-FREAKIN-STAN of all places for an adventure in Iraq. I was more upset by the stupidity of styaing in Kabul than the outright lying involved with going into Iraq and it turns out I was right. When you RWNJ’'s have something subsantive, call me . . . ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2009, 1:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elementary-kids-sing-obama-indoctrination-song/511623/127 "2009-09-27T01:51:25Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > [Seconded.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=11593486#post11593486) [And now thirded.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=11600300#post11600300) :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![fubbleskag](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c2a13f/32.png) [@fubbleskag](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fubbleskag)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2009, 2:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elementary-kids-sing-obama-indoctrination-song/511623/128 "2009-09-27T02:16:40Z")
> [@Nars\_Glinley](#): > > That is obviously a private school. It is also extremely creepy. I think it’s a church - I recognize one of the mullet-boys from a documentary about evangelical children from a year or two ago (name esapes me…) ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_One](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/45deac/32.png) [@Evil\_One](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_One)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2009, 2:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elementary-kids-sing-obama-indoctrination-song/511623/129 "2009-09-27T02:20:05Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Say, where’d that little scamp of an OP get off to, anyway? Right here, Luci. I took some time away from the board to watch a football game with my son, put a puzzle together with my daughter and have dinner. After the kids went to bed I had some private time with the wife. She’s 20 years younger than I am and quite attractive, so the SDMB didn’t hold the same allure. What do you need? ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_One](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/45deac/32.png) [@Evil\_One](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_One)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2009, 2:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elementary-kids-sing-obama-indoctrination-song/511623/130 "2009-09-27T02:25:51Z")
> [@ladyfoxfyre](#): > > Staying to debate after such evidence was revealed would have been in congruent with the original intent of the OP. What evidence is that? The statement from the school district? I never said the singing was a district policy…and I read the statement for the first time a few minutes ago. What point would you like to make? ---
**Author:** ![CannyDan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cannydan/32/548_2.png) [@CannyDan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CannyDan)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2009, 2:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elementary-kids-sing-obama-indoctrination-song/511623/131 "2009-09-27T02:28:40Z")
> [@fubbleskag](#): > > I think it’s a church - I recognize one of the mullet-boys from a documentary about evangelical children from a year or two ago (name esapes me…) Can’t you people read the cite? It’s been posted at least twice now. Here it is again: [linky](http://www.burltwpsch.org/?pageID=00013&docset=super&docid=200910012) It’s the Burlington Township School District. They’re _public schools_. So what? Did you also miss the part where the parents reviewed the song in advance, and attended the performance, and had \*\*\*no complaints \*\*\*before, during or after? There was \*\*\*no issue \*_here_. You can call off all the manufactured outrage now, thanks so much. Go home, have a beer, watch something on comedy channel. That black guy in the white house (yes, it is still white) isn’t going to turn us all into something weird while you’re not looking. Get over it already. The country has actual fucking \*\*\*problems \*\*\*to be discussed, if you could just wipe the spittle off your faces and concentrate a bit. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2009, 2:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elementary-kids-sing-obama-indoctrination-song/511623/132 "2009-09-27T02:49:05Z")
> [@Evil\_One](#): > > Right here, Luci. I took some time away from the board to watch a football game with my son, put a puzzle together with my daughter and have dinner. > > After the kids went to bed I had some private time with the wife. She’s 20 years younger than I am and quite attractive, so the SDMB didn’t hold the same allure. > > What do you need? Did you guys sit back and have a glass of wine and listen to the song mentioned in the OP? It sounds quite romantic, you know? 😃 d&r ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_One](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/45deac/32.png) [@Evil\_One](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_One)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2009, 2:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elementary-kids-sing-obama-indoctrination-song/511623/133 "2009-09-27T02:55:30Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > Did you guys sit back and have a glass of wine and listen to the song mentioned in the OP? It sounds quite romantic, you know? 😃 > > d&r Yes, but when she got to the Mmm, mmm, mmm part she wasn’t singing. ---
**Author:** ![MOIDALIZE](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e274bd/32.png) [@MOIDALIZE](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MOIDALIZE)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2009, 3:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elementary-kids-sing-obama-indoctrination-song/511623/134 "2009-09-27T03:02:04Z")
It’s become apparent that Sam Stone lives in an igloo in Nunavut territory and his only link with the outside world is through his computer. Here’s a suggestion for you: stop swallowing everything Investor’s Business Daily and the fucking Heritage Foundation feed to you and pull your head out of your ass, you goddamned nerd. ---
**Author:** ![Shayna](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shayna/32/17976_2.png) [@Shayna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shayna)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2009, 3:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elementary-kids-sing-obama-indoctrination-song/511623/135 "2009-09-27T03:02:19Z")
> [@fubbleskag](#): > > I think it’s a church - I recognize one of the mullet-boys from a documentary about evangelical children from a year or two ago (name esapes me…) > [@CannyDan](#): > > Can’t you people read the cite? It’s been posted at least twice now. Here it is again: > > [linky](http://www.burltwpsch.org/?pageID=00013&docset=super&docid=200910012) > > It’s the Burlington Township School District. They’re _public schools_. > > So what? > > Did you also miss the part where the parents reviewed the song in advance, and attended the performance, and had \*\*\*no complaints \*\*\*before, during or after? > > There was \*\*\*no issue \*_here_. You can call off all the manufactured outrage now, thanks so much. > > Go home, have a beer, watch something on comedy channel. That black guy in the white house (yes, it is still white) isn’t going to turn us all into something weird while you’re not looking. Get over it already. The country has actual fucking \*\*\*problems \*\*\*to be discussed, if you could just wipe the spittle off your faces and concentrate a bit. Uh, Dan, he was referring to the Bush worshipping in the link I posted, not the link in the OP. And he’s sort of right. It took place at “Jesus Camp”. Still irrelevant, since the objection was to the practice of indoctrinating children itself, not where it was done or under what circumstances. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2009, 3:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elementary-kids-sing-obama-indoctrination-song/511623/136 "2009-09-27T03:03:07Z")
Hey, remember that song by the Crash Test Dummies? “Mmmm mmmm mmmm mmmm?” ---
**Author:** ![Nars\_Glinley](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/nars_glinley/32/8177_2.png) [@Nars\_Glinley](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nars_Glinley)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2009, 3:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elementary-kids-sing-obama-indoctrination-song/511623/137 "2009-09-27T03:09:45Z")
> [@CannyDan](#): > > Can’t you people read the cite? It’s been posted at least twice now. Here it is again: > > [linky](http://www.burltwpsch.org/?pageID=00013&docset=super&docid=200910012) > > It’s the Burlington Township School District. They’re _public schools_. Settle down. We were referring to the link in **Shayna’s** [post.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11600624&postcount=108) ---
**Author:** ![Shayna](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shayna/32/17976_2.png) [@Shayna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shayna)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2009, 3:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elementary-kids-sing-obama-indoctrination-song/511623/138 "2009-09-27T03:12:54Z")
And if you want to insist on “apples to apples” and would like an example of school children “who are barely continent in public. . . sing[ing] the praises of a specific leader of a country,” where that leader was George W. Bush, you need only go back as far as April, 2006. > [@](#): > > At the annual White House Easter Egg Roll, children from the stricken Gulf Coast region serenaded First Lady Laura Bush with a song praising the beleaguered Federal Emergency Management Agency. > > To the tune of Hey Look Me Over, about 100 young children from Louisiana, Mississippi and Alabama sang: > > _Our country’s stood beside us > People have sent us aid. > Katrina could not stop us, our hopes will never fade. > Congress, **Bush** and FEMA > People across our land > Together have come to rebuild us and we join them hand-in-hand!_ > > . . . > > [http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2006/04/17/out-of-the-mouths-of-babes/](http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2006/04/17/out-of-the-mouths-of-babes/) Where was the Right wing uproar over “indoctrination” of our children then, hmm? ---
**Author:** ![ladyfoxfyre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ad7895/32.png) [@ladyfoxfyre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ladyfoxfyre)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2009, 3:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elementary-kids-sing-obama-indoctrination-song/511623/139 "2009-09-27T03:13:18Z")
> [@Evil\_One](#): > > What evidence is that? The statement from the school district? > > I never said the singing was a district policy…and I read the statement for the first time a few minutes ago. What point would you like to make? Well sure, in your OP you stated: > [@Evil One](#): > > “He said we must be fair today > Equal work means equal pay” > (snip) > are clearly indoctrination. Is it a nationwide plot? No. But here it is, right in front of you. I await the mental gymnastics required to somehow justify or minimize it. > > I’m not going to bother pointing out why it’s wrong. All of you know why. Not “clearly an example of a misguided teacher”, nor “clearly an example of a way in which I would not choose to celebrate Black History Month” but _“clearly indoctrination.”_ You backpedaled later when everyone basically agreed that it was probably not the keenest thing for the teacher to do but by no means the national security threat that you and Michael Steele seem to believe it is (or was, back in February. Seemingly these children have yet to receive their Komsomol membership cards, thanks to your vigilance) Indoctrinate, from a quick google definition returns something along the lines of “to fill with a certain teaching or set of opinions, beliefs etc; to teach one to systematically to accept a doctrine or opinion uncritically.” So it’s _clearly_ the intent of your OP to posit that by having the schoolchildren sing this song about Obama, somebody somewhere is attempting to systematically train them to accept a doctrine. According to the lyrics, that doctrine is “fairness”. Scary shit, there. Then the school board comes back and sees the outrage of parents as something totally and wholly different from what you feel the outrage to be. They feel it to be the violation of privacy of the children in the video. Seemingly they are responding to criticisms from the parents, which revolves around concerns regarding privacy, given that from the evidence in the letter from said school board, they routinely do little skits like this where they bring song lyrics home to commemorate great events such as Dental Health day and also the first black president. So in your zeal to enjoy the mental gymnastics you planned to see as a result of your OP, but of course were _clearly_ not trolling for a certain reaction from anybody, you can imagine my skepticism that you’d return to defend your position once again. ---
**Author:** ![E-Sabbath](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e19adc/32.png) [@E-Sabbath](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-Sabbath)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2009, 3:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elementary-kids-sing-obama-indoctrination-song/511623/140 "2009-09-27T03:13:34Z")
> [@fubbleskag](#): > > I think it’s a church - I recognize one of the mullet-boys from a documentary about evangelical children from a year or two ago (name esapes me…) It’s from Jesus Camp. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elementary-kids-sing-obama-indoctrination-song/511623.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elementary-kids-sing-obama-indoctrination-song/511623.md?page=8)