# Elementary: New CBS Sherlock Series \[Season 1 thread\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [June 20, 2012, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elementary-new-cbs-sherlock-series-season-1-thread/625762 "2012-06-20T16:37:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![twickster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ec9cab/32.png) [@twickster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/twickster)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2012, 2:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elementary-new-cbs-sherlock-series-season-1-thread/625762/201 "2012-12-07T14:58:27Z")
Could be, but then Holmes was researching Chinese herbs because Watson’s mother’s tea worked. ---
**Author:** ![Infovore](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/infovore/32/420_2.png) [@Infovore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Infovore)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2012, 3:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elementary-new-cbs-sherlock-series-season-1-thread/625762/202 "2012-12-07T15:21:36Z")
Did anybody else find the very blatant Microsoft Surface product placement to be really annoying? Especially given that Holmes up until now has been using iPhones and Macs (not sure whether he had an iPad before or not). I looked for, and found, the big “sponsored by Microsoft” notice in the credits. It wouldn’t have been quite so annoying if they hadn’t focused lovingly on him clicking out the “kickstand” or attaching the keyboard like they do in the commercials. ---
**Author:** ![well\_he\_s\_back](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/3ab097/32.png) [@well\_he\_s\_back](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/well_he_s_back)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2012, 3:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elementary-new-cbs-sherlock-series-season-1-thread/625762/203 "2012-12-07T15:33:00Z")
Yes, I found that bit with the “Surface” tablet so annoying I started a thread about product placements on TV about it. And I may start watching Scandal instead (which my daughter keeps insisting is very compelling). ---
**Author:** ![Irishman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/b487fb/32.png) [@Irishman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Irishman)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2012, 9:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elementary-new-cbs-sherlock-series-season-1-thread/625762/204 "2012-12-07T21:33:10Z")
I spotted it. Didn’t think it was horrendous, but was a tad obvious. I liked this episode for getting Sherlock and Watson to bring down the walls a bit and start connecting more. ---
**Author:** ![Misnomer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/misnomer/32/14897_2.png) [@Misnomer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Misnomer)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2012, 2:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elementary-new-cbs-sherlock-series-season-1-thread/625762/205 "2012-12-09T14:13:44Z")
I think the product placement bothered me more than it might have otherwise because I’d just seen an extended Surface commercial in the form of last week’s episode of _Suburgatory_. That one was way more blatant/annoying, but I was surprised and disappointed to see it happen again during _Elementary_. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2012, 4:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elementary-new-cbs-sherlock-series-season-1-thread/625762/206 "2012-12-09T16:24:54Z")
I was only half paying attention when I watched this, so maybe I missed something, but didn’t early on in this episode, after they catch the guy who actually does the killing, he starts saying “if I give up who paid me, I can get a deal, right?” and he starts talking and they cut away. The guy was going to reveal the whole mystery right there, and it’s never addressed. Did theyj ust drop it completely? ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2012, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elementary-new-cbs-sherlock-series-season-1-thread/625762/207 "2012-12-09T16:42:32Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > I was only half paying attention when I watched this, so maybe I missed something, but didn’t early on in this episode, after they catch the guy who actually does the killing, he starts saying “if I give up who paid me, I can get a deal, right?” and he starts talking and they cut away. The guy was going to reveal the whole mystery right there, and it’s never addressed. Did theyj ust drop it completely? He didn’t have a name - but he had teh contacts from his cell phone - which led to the burner phone in the boyfriends apartment. He really didn’t have any identifying information other than to say he didn’t do it of his own volition. ---
**Author:** ![Irishman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/b487fb/32.png) [@Irishman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Irishman)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2012, 5:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elementary-new-cbs-sherlock-series-season-1-thread/625762/208 "2012-12-09T17:10:50Z")
He had a contact cell phone number, that they traced to a phone they found at the assistant’s house, and the assistant confessed because he thought the wife did it… Basically, the point of that scene was to tell us that he pulled the trigger, but it was a contract hit. ---
**Author:** ![ftg](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ftg/32/2801_2.png) [@ftg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ftg)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2012, 10:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elementary-new-cbs-sherlock-series-season-1-thread/625762/209 "2012-12-10T22:41:52Z")
Finally a significant change in form. About time. Horrible product placement. Holmes is a guy who picks locks and plays a violin. He’s going to be a Surface (with keyboard!) user? I wonder what’s going on with Aidan Quinn’s character. Hardly used at all in the last few episodes and nothing regarding his old relationship with Holmes. Isn’t he supposed to be one of the 3 main characters? The “relationship” between Holmes and Watson is still struggling. (Don’t want a “will they or won’t they” thing to happen, of course.) But they aren’t giving Liu a real Watson-like character development. Dr. Watson worked by being the person Holmes bounced ideas off of. Even if Watson didn’t directly help, thinking out loud to another person is a great way to solve problems. I’ve been hoping that the adversarial aspect would eventually go away. ---
**Author:** ![JSexton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/96bed5/32.png) [@JSexton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JSexton)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2012, 6:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elementary-new-cbs-sherlock-series-season-1-thread/625762/210 "2012-12-11T18:14:35Z")
And this week, no mention of her theoretically leaving soon and him needing to find a sponsor. Maybe these are being broadcast slightly out of order? ---
**Author:** ![deltasigma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e5b9ba/32.png) [@deltasigma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/deltasigma)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2013, 5:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elementary-new-cbs-sherlock-series-season-1-thread/625762/211 "2013-02-02T05:10:51Z")
Hmmm. I think did a pretty thorough google search and this is the only thread for this show. I was surprised to see that the last entry was from December as there were 2 episodes in January including one where Moriarty was introduced, at least indirectly. That episode, “M.”, was really impressive I thought and cleaned up a loose end that might have been bothering some fans. So far I more or less like the way the characters are being developed. I think they’ve gone a little overboard on Sherlock’s flaws but when he finally ascents to some of Watson’s prodding, it comes across as genuine. ---
**Author:** ![ftg](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ftg/32/2801_2.png) [@ftg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ftg)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2013, 3:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elementary-new-cbs-sherlock-series-season-1-thread/625762/212 "2013-02-02T15:22:18Z")
> [@JSexton](#): > > And this week, no mention of her theoretically leaving soon and him needing to find a sponsor. Maybe these are being broadcast slightly out of order? Watson discussed with her therapist how she was now working “off the clock” as Sherlock’s sobriety watcher. So officially over but she is continuing to work for free. Why Sherlock wouldn’t know this and call her out on it is unexplained. The promo for the Superb\*\*l episode suggests she is going to be more directly involved as his junior crime fighter. Overdue. Reminder for DVR users: Set a wide window for recording it. Who knows when it will actually start/end. (I hate when they do this.) Pretty poor episode. The “You don’t work for the NYPD so go away.” part didn’t work. The police don’t really tolerate interference at this level. And the idea that a guy smart enough to be on a war games panel but dumb enough to think that only a small number of people would see its mega-scary report was too much. At least Aidan Quinn was sort of a character again. Still needs to be better integrated into the show. E.g., he needs a fuller backstory. ---
**Author:** ![Tangent](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tangent/32/3098_2.png) [@Tangent](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tangent)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2013, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elementary-new-cbs-sherlock-series-season-1-thread/625762/213 "2013-02-02T19:27:06Z")
> [@ftg](#): > > The promo for the Superb\*\*l episode Why the censored spelling of Superbowl? :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![ftg](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ftg/32/2801_2.png) [@ftg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ftg)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2013, 8:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elementary-new-cbs-sherlock-series-season-1-thread/625762/214 "2013-02-02T20:50:01Z")
> [@Tangent](#): > > Why the censored spelling of Superbowl? :dubious: Making fun of the NFL’s over-exuberance in forbidding people from using the name of the Big Game. It’s like among computer geeks who used to use “U\*\*x” due to AT&T sending out cease and desist letters to anyone that used “Unix” regardless of context. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Controvert](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/dec6dc/32.png) [@The\_Controvert](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Controvert)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2013, 12:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elementary-new-cbs-sherlock-series-season-1-thread/625762/215 "2013-02-03T00:29:25Z")
> [@ftg](#): > > At least Aidan Quinn was sort of a character again. Still needs to be better integrated into the show. E.g., he needs a fuller backstory. I don’t know if “guy who sucker punches people in the gut to prove a point” is the sort of backstory I like. ---
**Author:** ![Tangent](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tangent/32/3098_2.png) [@Tangent](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tangent)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2013, 12:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elementary-new-cbs-sherlock-series-season-1-thread/625762/216 "2013-02-03T00:59:00Z")
> [@ftg](#): > > Making fun of the NFL’s over-exuberance in forbidding people from using the name of the Big Game. Ah, I wasn’t aware. ---
**Author:** ![Irishman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/b487fb/32.png) [@Irishman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Irishman)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2013, 12:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elementary-new-cbs-sherlock-series-season-1-thread/625762/217 "2013-02-04T00:30:06Z")
> [@ftg](#): > > Watson discussed with her therapist how she was now working “off the clock” as Sherlock’s sobriety watcher. So officially over but she is continuing to work for free. Why Sherlock wouldn’t know this and call her out on it is unexplained. At the end of last episode, she asked Holmes’s dad if she could continue, and he said he wasn’t going to pay her any more. She then told Holmes that her father agreed to pay her. So either he didn’t catch her lie, or else he’s waiting to pounce at some inopportune moment. > [@](#): > > Pretty poor episode. The “You don’t work for the NYPD so go away.” part didn’t work. The police don’t really tolerate interference at this level. And the idea that a guy smart enough to be on a war games panel but dumb enough to think that only a small number of people would see its mega-scary report was too much. It was a bit much. Yeah, the only people who will ever see that result are the 5 people that thought it up and the one liaison who reviewed their work. > [@The\_Controvert](#): > > I don’t know if “guy who sucker punches people in the gut to prove a point” is the sort of backstory I like. What if the point is that the person needs a punch in the gut? ---
**Author:** ![deltasigma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e5b9ba/32.png) [@deltasigma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/deltasigma)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2013, 1:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elementary-new-cbs-sherlock-series-season-1-thread/625762/218 "2013-02-04T01:38:48Z")
> [@Irishman](#): > > What if the point is that the person needs a punch in the gut? Maybe I’m the only one, but I completely agree with Holmes and were I in the same situation and had the same abilities, I think I might very well favor a similar approach. If I didn’t though, it wouldn’t be because of antiquated notion of honor or morality which seems to be the animus behind Gregson’s suspension of Holmes. Similarly, I would be loathe to offer an ersatz apology which I knew the person to whom I was giving it would be insulted by rather than assuaged. Certainly Holmes takes douchery to whole other level, but unlike most DB’s, he has quite a bit to back it up. And while that may not justify his patronizing, condescending and often infuriating attitude, it has to be considered when deciding, as in this episode, if he’s worth tolerating. ---
**Author:** ![GuanoLad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guanolad/32/42_2.png) [@GuanoLad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuanoLad)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2013, 8:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elementary-new-cbs-sherlock-series-season-1-thread/625762/219 "2013-02-04T08:55:15Z")
I have grown to like this show, but apart from a loose and sparse sprinkling of character names it really has nothing at all to do with Sherlock Holmes. They really shouldn’t have bothered with the association. ---
**Author:** ![well\_he\_s\_back](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/3ab097/32.png) [@well\_he\_s\_back](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/well_he_s_back)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2013, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elementary-new-cbs-sherlock-series-season-1-thread/625762/220 "2013-02-04T16:05:50Z")
I’m so disappointed that they didn’t keep that lock-picker/car stealer guy from the AA meeting in an earlier episode. I think having him as a recurring character would really have added to the show. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elementary-new-cbs-sherlock-series-season-1-thread/625762.md?page=10) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elementary-new-cbs-sherlock-series-season-1-thread/625762.md?page=12)