# Elia Kazan Honorary Oscar **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [July 28, 2020, 1:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elia-kazan-honorary-oscar/916598 "2020-07-28T13:45:46Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 14\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2020, 10:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elia-kazan-honorary-oscar/916598/21 "2020-07-28T22:23:29Z")
Personally, I refuse to invite him to dinner although I’ll still watch his movies. But I don’t think the OP has expressed an opinion one way or the other. Isn’t that part of framing a debate? ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2020, 11:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elia-kazan-honorary-oscar/916598/22 "2020-07-28T23:26:40Z")
But some were actually Commie agents committing espionage, not just sympathizers. > **[Declassified Documents Reveal KGB Spies in the U.S.](https://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2009/07/17/declassified-documents-reveal-kgb-spies-in-the-us)** > > Alger Hiss, Elizabeth Bentley, and Bernard Redmont are the subjects of scrutiny. So yeah, it’s one thing to think “Communism is great” and other to pass on secrets. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2020, 12:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elia-kazan-honorary-oscar/916598/23 "2020-07-29T00:11:37Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > So yeah, it’s one thing to think “Communism is great” and other to pass on secrets A distinction without a difference at that time. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2020, 12:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elia-kazan-honorary-oscar/916598/24 "2020-07-29T00:14:56Z")
So what secrets did someone like Clifford Odets pass on to the Soviets? ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2020, 12:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elia-kazan-honorary-oscar/916598/25 "2020-07-29T00:51:35Z")
Heck, it is essentially taking a question that he asked (and I answered) in that thread and expanding it to revive the discussion after the original was locked. And good point **Smapti**. As well as Elia Kazan Highway and Fort Elia Kazan. ---
**Author:** ![DocCathode](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/doccathode/32/18773_2.png) [@DocCathode](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DocCathode)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2020, 12:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elia-kazan-honorary-oscar/916598/26 "2020-07-29T00:51:41Z")
I thought time and the courts had found Roscoe ‘Fatty’ Arbuckle innocent. Last time I checked, he was guilty only of not calling 911 as soon as he should have. ---
**Author:** ![Kent\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kent_clark/32/105_2.png) [@Kent\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kent_Clark)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2020, 1:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elia-kazan-honorary-oscar/916598/27 "2020-07-29T01:12:25Z")
We could make these debates a lot shorter if all of us would just list which artists and which behaviors/beliefs we find unacceptable. While we’re at it, let’s work out a point system, so that we can judge Olivia deHaviland’s contract work in a racist film against 54-year old Charlie Chaplin marrying 18-year old Oona O’Neill, vs. Charleton Heston’s work for the NRA, vs. O.J. Simpson ---
**Author:** ![drad\_dog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@drad\_dog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drad_dog)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2020, 1:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elia-kazan-honorary-oscar/916598/28 "2020-07-29T01:44:43Z")
HUAC has boosters? Here? ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2020, 2:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elia-kazan-honorary-oscar/916598/29 "2020-07-29T02:01:23Z")
> [@mbh](#): > > Today, the cancel culture is blacklisting more people, for less reason, than the studio executives ever did. How exactly does that work? Unlike a studio executive, I’ve never had any celebrities who worked for me. So how do I blacklist them? Let me know soon because Shia LaBeouf is really getting on my nerves. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2020, 2:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elia-kazan-honorary-oscar/916598/30 "2020-07-29T02:03:49Z")
> [@DocCathode](#): > > I thought time and the courts had found Roscoe ‘Fatty’ Arbuckle innocent. Last time I checked, he was guilty only of not calling 911 as soon as he should have. In all fairness, the 911 system didn’t exist until 1968 and Arbuckle died in 1933. ---
**Author:** ![DocCathode](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/doccathode/32/18773_2.png) [@DocCathode](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DocCathode)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2020, 2:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elia-kazan-honorary-oscar/916598/31 "2020-07-29T02:05:44Z")
I know. I just figured if I went for strict literalism, I’d have to list all the facts (half of which I don’t remember). In any event, IIRC the courts found that Arbuckle assaulted nobody, raped nobody, and was guilty only in not knowing how badly off a guest was before finally summoning medical help. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2020, 4:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elia-kazan-honorary-oscar/916598/32 "2020-07-29T04:24:29Z")
Did I say Clifford Odets passed on secrets? Did you read my cite? ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2020, 4:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elia-kazan-honorary-oscar/916598/33 "2020-07-29T04:59:10Z")
Closed on July 29, 2020, 4:59am UTC ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2020, 5:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elia-kazan-honorary-oscar/916598/34 "2020-07-29T05:00:13Z")
Closed as started by a troll. If someone feels the need to start an authentic thread they may do so. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elia-kazan-honorary-oscar/916598.md?page=1)