Eliminate Pensions

Ravenman’s excellent posts notwithstanding, I have one correction.

There are three retirement systems in place for the majority of federal civilian employees.

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[li]As previously stated, federal employee hired before 01 January 1984 come under the older, and more lucrative CSRS retirement system.[/li][li]Those hired 01 January 1984 and later come under the FERS retirement system.[/li][li]However, those hired under the CSRS system, leave the government and then return, are offered a choice to move to the FERS system, or become part of a third retirement system known as CSRS-Offset. Offset employees have a CSRS component and a social security component. They pay into both systems.[/li][/ol]
CSRS and CSRS-Offset employees may choose to participate in TSP, but they receive no matching funds from the government. Only FERS employees receiving matching funds if they participate.

A CSRS-Offset employee has retirement benefits similar, if not identical to CSRS employees. The basic difference is their retirement plan pays into two different systems and the benefits received come out of the two different systems. However, If a CSRS-Offset employee also has additional social security earning during the period when they were not working for the federal government, those earning will count towards a higher overall benefit. If a CSRS-Offset has additional 401K-type retirement and/or IRAs from other non-government employment, that, too, may increase their ultimate retirement benefit (from non-government investment).

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The defined benefit pensions don’t have any employee contributions, which is what makes them both costly and hard to eliminate. It’s not a political issue.

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that is a wrong statement for most systems. Every month my wife has a deduction for her retirement plan. PERs. When I worked for San Jose State I paid into PERs.

simple, the government can go into a pension system since pensioning uses contributions by future members (unlike 401 which is just a savings plan.) so your contributions now are paying for the pension of someone’s grandpa who just retired. grandpa doesn’t need much. you, with your entire life ahead of you, can just plug along and let your contributions pile up until you can have your own grandchildren.

only a stable government can do that.