# Elizabeth Warren 2020 **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [August 17, 2019, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elizabeth-warren-2020/838800 "2019-08-17T17:03:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 14
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2019, 12:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elizabeth-warren-2020/838800/261 "2019-09-21T00:15:13Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > Attack the _issue_, not the \*person. \* What exactly was your problem with the “attacks” in the article Velocity linked then? ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2019, 1:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elizabeth-warren-2020/838800/262 "2019-09-21T01:03:33Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > As shown in 2016, enough attacks and the electorate will decide “What the hell both sides are bad”. Yes; attacking the person rather than the issues can help out those operatives urging people not to vote at all, because ‘_they’re all alike_’ and ‘_your vote doesn’t matter, because whoever gets in is the same old same old_’ and ‘_it’s all so sordid; really spiritual/noble/pure/cool people don’t vote_.’ I’m hoping we give those operatives less help, this time around. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2019, 2:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elizabeth-warren-2020/838800/263 "2019-09-21T02:49:44Z")
That is the gentlest of criticisms-and about an issue. It is not enough to even count as a test of any sort, let alone the stress test I want to see her pass with flying colors. ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2019, 3:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elizabeth-warren-2020/838800/264 "2019-09-23T03:29:59Z")
HuffPost about the attacks on Warren: > **[The Attack On Elizabeth Warren That Could Actually Matter](https://news.yahoo.com/elizabeth-warren-health-care-2020-democrats-120000787.html)** > > Warren is facing criticism from the left and center on voters’ No. 1 issue: health care. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2019, 3:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elizabeth-warren-2020/838800/265 "2019-09-23T03:39:08Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > HuffPost about the attacks on Warren: > > [The Attack On Elizabeth Warren That Could Actually Matter](https://www.yahoo.com/huffpost/elizabeth-warren-health-care-2020-democrats-120000787.html) I’m beginning to think her slipperiness on healthcare is a feature, not a bug. There’s a comfort in boldly talking about a universal plan, without the pain of nailing your face to the carpet on specifics. ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2019, 6:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elizabeth-warren-2020/838800/266 "2019-09-26T18:49:27Z")
Wall Street Democrats say they may support Trump if Warren is the nominee: > **[Wall Street Democratic donors warn the party: We'll sit out, or back Trump,...](https://www.cnbc.com/2019/09/26/wall-street-democratic-donors-may-back-trump-if-warren-is-nominated.html)** > > In recent interviews of big-money Democratic donors, CNBC has found this opinion is becoming widely shared as Warren surges against Joe Biden. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2019, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elizabeth-warren-2020/838800/267 "2019-09-26T18:50:19Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > Wall Street Democrats say they may support Trump if Warren is the nominee: > > [Wall Street Democratic donors warn the party: We'll sit out, or back Trump, if you nominate Elizabeth Warren](https://www.cnbc.com/2019/09/26/wall-street-democratic-donors-may-back-trump-if-warren-is-nominated.html) Warren will probably use this in her campaign commercials. I don’t know if these folks understand how useful this kind of thing is for Warren. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2019, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elizabeth-warren-2020/838800/268 "2019-09-26T18:51:23Z")
> [@Happy\_Lendervedder](#): > > I’m beginning to think her slipperiness on healthcare is a feature, not a bug. There’s a comfort in boldly talking about a universal plan, without the pain of nailing your face to the carpet on specifics. Exactly – “run on popular things and avoid saying unpopular things” is a pretty solid basic campaign strategy. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2019, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elizabeth-warren-2020/838800/269 "2019-09-26T18:52:23Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Warren will probably use this in her campaign commercials. I don’t know if these folks understand how useful this kind of thing is for Warren. [She already is.](https://twitter.com/ewarren/status/1171538730621915136?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cnbc.com%2F2019%2F09%2F26%2Fwall-street-democratic-donors-may-back-trump-if-warren-is-nominated.html) ---
**Author:** ![Jas09](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/d07c76/32.png) [@Jas09](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jas09)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2019, 7:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elizabeth-warren-2020/838800/270 "2019-09-26T19:35:25Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > Wall Street Democrats say they may support Trump if Warren is the nominee: > > [Wall Street Democratic donors warn the party: We'll sit out, or back Trump, if you nominate Elizabeth Warren](https://www.cnbc.com/2019/09/26/wall-street-democratic-donors-may-back-trump-if-warren-is-nominated.html) That article is hilarious - it may as well be a Warren commercial. Unnamed hedge fund executive: > [@](#): > > “I think if she can show that the tax code of 2017 was basically nonsense and only helped corporations, Wall Street would not like the public thinking about that,” Well… yeah… > [@](#): > > This person said Warren’s policies could be worse for Wall Street than those of President Barack Obama, who signed the Dodd-Frank bank regulation bill in the wake of the 2008 financial meltdown. You mean the Obama policies that were in place for the longest bull market in history? That saved many of those very same banks from complete ruin? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2019, 1:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elizabeth-warren-2020/838800/271 "2019-10-03T13:29:42Z")
2 very interesting articles on Warren from Vox: > **[Silicon Valley is embracing Elizabeth Warren. She refuses to reciprocate.](https://www.vox.com/recode/2019/10/2/20894388/silicon-valley-donors-elizabeth-warren-big-tech-mark-zuckerberg)** > > Tech donors are slowly embracing her. She absolutely refuses to reciprocate. > **[Warren just released the most ambitious labor reform platform of the 2020...](https://www.vox.com/identities/2019/10/3/20895389/warren-plan-for-workers)** > > It would rewrite the rules of the labor economy. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2019, 10:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elizabeth-warren-2020/838800/272 "2019-10-08T22:41:45Z")
At least for the moment, Warren’s ahead of Biden in the RealClearPolitics polling average, 26.6% to 26.4%. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2019, 10:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elizabeth-warren-2020/838800/273 "2019-10-08T22:52:24Z")
> [@RTFirefly](#): > > At least for the moment, Warren’s ahead of Biden in the RealClearPolitics polling average, 26.6% to 26.4%. In other words- they are dead even. ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2019, 10:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elizabeth-warren-2020/838800/274 "2019-10-08T22:56:27Z")
Sure feels like 2008. Hillary starting out with the big early lead but eventually Obama pulling ahead to the point of looking unstoppable. A few months from now, Biden may be nothing but an after-thought and Warren will have more or less wrapped up the nomination already. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2019, 11:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elizabeth-warren-2020/838800/275 "2019-10-08T23:18:02Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > Sure feels like 2008. Hillary starting out with the big early lead but eventually Obama pulling ahead to the point of looking unstoppable. A few months from now, Biden may be nothing but an after-thought and Warren will have more or less wrapped up the nomination already. It’s happening much sooner this time. IIRC, Hillary was leading Obama until Obama won Iowa. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2019, 11:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elizabeth-warren-2020/838800/276 "2019-10-08T23:38:41Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > It’s happening much sooner this time. IIRC, Hillary was leading Obama until Obama won Iowa. Hillary, for all her faults, was a much stronger candidate than Biden is. ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2019, 8:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elizabeth-warren-2020/838800/277 "2019-10-09T08:03:26Z")
> [@RTFirefly](#): > > Hillary, for all her faults, was a much stronger candidate than Biden is. But Obama was also much, much stronger than Warren is. ---
**Author:** ![FlikTheBlue](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fliktheblue/32/10972_2.png) [@FlikTheBlue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FlikTheBlue)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2019, 1:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elizabeth-warren-2020/838800/278 "2019-10-09T13:45:10Z")
> [@RTFirefly](#): > > Hillary, for all her faults, was a much stronger candidate than Biden is. I disagree. I think Biden would have beat Trump in 2016. 2020 Biden does seem to be weaker than 2016 Biden would have likely been, although I’m not sure by how much. ---
**Author:** ![WillFarnaby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/willfarnaby/32/514_2.png) [@WillFarnaby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WillFarnaby)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2019, 2:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elizabeth-warren-2020/838800/279 "2019-10-09T14:19:42Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > 2 very interesting articles on Warren from Vox: > > [How Elizabeth Warren is winning over tech’s billionaires - Vox](https://www.vox.com/recode/2019/10/2/20894388/silicon-valley-donors-elizabeth-warren-big-tech-mark-zuckerberg) > > [Warren labor platform: She just released an ambitious plan for workers - Vox](https://www.vox.com/identities/2019/10/3/20895389/warrens-plan-for-workers) Breaking up big companies and strong arm labor politics. Yes Trump has returned us to 19th century politics. These are embarrassingly primitive proposals that could only seem sophisticated next to building a big beautiful wall. The fact that such country-bumpkin-progressive policies are being supported by coastal “elites” is a sign of intellectual decline. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2019, 2:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elizabeth-warren-2020/838800/280 "2019-10-09T14:26:55Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > A few months from now, Biden may be nothing but an after-thought and Warren will have more or less wrapped up the nomination already. Super Tuesday, this time including California so will probably be decisive, is 5 months away. That does fit your timeline. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elizabeth-warren-2020/838800.md?page=13) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elizabeth-warren-2020/838800.md?page=15)