# Elizabeth Warren 2020 **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [August 17, 2019, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elizabeth-warren-2020/838800 "2019-08-17T17:03:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 15
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2019, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elizabeth-warren-2020/838800/281 "2019-10-09T15:29:56Z")
> [@WillFarnaby](#): > > Breaking up big companies and strong arm labor politics. Yes Trump has returned us to 19th century politics. These are embarrassingly primitive proposals that could only seem sophisticated next to building a big beautiful wall. > > The fact that such country-bumpkin-progressive policies are being supported by coastal “elites” is a sign of intellectual decline. Wait–am I a country bumpkin, a coastal “elite”, or a declining intellectual? I’m confused. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2019, 3:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elizabeth-warren-2020/838800/282 "2019-10-09T15:59:22Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > Wait–am I a country bumpkin, a coastal “elite”, or a declining intellectual? I’m confused. I thought I was a statist, or a warmonger, or something. Maybe **WillF** could post some sort of taxonomy for the fantastical liberals that run amuck in his imagination? ---
**Author:** ![WillFarnaby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/willfarnaby/32/514_2.png) [@WillFarnaby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WillFarnaby)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2019, 4:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elizabeth-warren-2020/838800/283 "2019-10-09T16:52:07Z")
Point being, these century-old policy proposals were once sold to the rural Christian by the Bryanite wing of the party. Warren is the candidate of the Democratic self-styled intellectual. Bryanism has returned and its kind of still embarrassing. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2019, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elizabeth-warren-2020/838800/284 "2019-10-09T16:57:19Z")
Oddly, I thought Teddy Roosevelt was the big Trust Buster, and his cousin Franklin did the most for labor. But maybe I’ve just read different history books. Being an intellectual isn’t “self-styled”, btw - it’s demonstrable fact. ---
**Author:** ![WillFarnaby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/willfarnaby/32/514_2.png) [@WillFarnaby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WillFarnaby)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2019, 6:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elizabeth-warren-2020/838800/285 "2019-10-09T18:06:28Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Oddly, I thought Teddy Roosevelt was the big Trust Buster, and his cousin Franklin did the most for labor. Is your argument that the Bryanite wing of the Dem party did not, like Warren, favor breaking up big companies and engage in strong-arm union politicking? Because that’s what I said. ---
**Author:** ![dalej42](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@dalej42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dalej42)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2019, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elizabeth-warren-2020/838800/286 "2019-10-09T18:27:22Z")
I find it an interesting and intelligent political strategy that Warren announced today that she won’t do big money fundraisers if she’s the nominee in the general election. Of course for Warren or any Democratic nominee is that the Democrats have Bill and Hillary Clinton, Barack and Michelle Obama and Joe Biden (if he’s not the nominee) that can handle all the big money fundraising while the nominee can seem to be above the fray. It’s definitely an advantage for the Democrats with two ex presidents that were elected while young. Bill Clinton may be toxic among some of the younger progressives but he can still draw a crowd among the 45 and over types who remembers the 1990s fondly. And, of course, they’re likely to have more money for a big dollar fundraiser than a recent college grad. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2019, 6:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elizabeth-warren-2020/838800/287 "2019-10-09T18:49:00Z")
> [@WillFarnaby](#): > > Is your argument that the Bryanite wing of the Dem party did not, like Warren, favor breaking up big companies and engage in strong-arm union politicking? Because that’s what I said. Unfortunately, you forgot to demonstrate any relevance to today’s world, or even suggest it. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2019, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elizabeth-warren-2020/838800/288 "2019-10-09T20:43:04Z")
> [@FlikTheBlue](#): > > I disagree. I think Biden would have beat Trump in 2016. 2020 Biden does seem to be weaker than 2016 Biden would have likely been, although I’m not sure by how much. You may be right about 2016 (we’ll never know for sure), but in that case, Biden’s gone a _loooooooooong_ way down from 2016. The past couple of weeks have been an opportunity for Biden to be everywhere, firing broadsides at Trump and his crew. Instead, he pops up briefly, fires a pretty good shot, then all but disappears for days. ETA: At any rate, I’m not comparing Biden 2016 with Hillary 2016, but rather Biden as he is now. Gramps is just not up to this anymore. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2019, 8:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elizabeth-warren-2020/838800/289 "2019-10-09T20:50:34Z")
> [@WillFarnaby](#): > > Breaking up big companies and strong arm labor politics. Yes Trump has returned us to 19th century politics. Well, we **are** in a new Gilded Age, so the shoe fits. 🙂 Who’s against giving workers the means to fight their own battles? Seems like a winner to me. And who likes monopolies, other than the monopolists? Ditto. ---
**Author:** ![WillFarnaby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/willfarnaby/32/514_2.png) [@WillFarnaby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WillFarnaby)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2019, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elizabeth-warren-2020/838800/290 "2019-10-09T21:02:51Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Unfortunately, you forgot to demonstrate any relevance to today’s world, or even suggest it. The poster linked to an article about breaking up big companies and another about old-school labor politicking by Warren. Is Warren still relevant or have we moved on to the next clown in the car? ---
**Author:** ![WillFarnaby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/willfarnaby/32/514_2.png) [@WillFarnaby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WillFarnaby)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2019, 9:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elizabeth-warren-2020/838800/291 "2019-10-09T21:04:31Z")
> [@RTFirefly](#): > > Well, we **are** in a new Gilded Age, so the shoe fits. 🙂 > > Who’s against giving workers the means to fight their own battles? Seems like a winner to me. > > And who likes monopolies, other than the monopolists? Ditto. That some are interested in Warren’s primitive policies is kind of the source of my dismay. Thanks for another data point. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2019, 9:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elizabeth-warren-2020/838800/292 "2019-10-09T21:13:58Z")
Have the primitive \*problems \*gone away? They have not. So … ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2019, 9:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elizabeth-warren-2020/838800/293 "2019-10-09T21:41:18Z")
> [@WillFarnaby](#): > > That some are interested in Warren’s primitive policies is kind of the source of my dismay. Thanks for another data point. Happy to give you one. 🙂 Speaking of ‘primitive’ things, do you use roads and bridges? Those of us who do must dismay you tremendously. ---
**Author:** ![WillFarnaby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/willfarnaby/32/514_2.png) [@WillFarnaby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WillFarnaby)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2019, 9:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elizabeth-warren-2020/838800/294 "2019-10-09T21:41:28Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Have the primitive \*problems \*gone away? They have not. So … They were never problems. Bryan can be excused because he did not witness these past decades of plummeting poverty levels and increasing financial freedom. He had also not witnessed the rise and fall of so many giant boogeyman corporations like IBM and Microsoft which were supposedly going to take over the world but ended up losing market share to competition. Warren lives in a poorly written public school textbook. ---
**Author:** ![WillFarnaby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/willfarnaby/32/514_2.png) [@WillFarnaby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WillFarnaby)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2019, 9:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elizabeth-warren-2020/838800/295 "2019-10-09T21:47:17Z")
If Warren was serious about going after the tech companies she could simply threaten to pull their military-industrial contracts. She has no appetite for cutting off the federal spigot to these coddled behemoths. ---
**Author:** ![racepug](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f1d935/32.png) [@racepug](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/racepug)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2019, 9:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elizabeth-warren-2020/838800/296 "2019-10-10T21:22:16Z")
I was hoping that E.W. would run _last_ time and I was quite disappointed when she didn’t. I’ve hitched my wagon to her campaign train all the way. ---
**Author:** ![WillFarnaby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/willfarnaby/32/514_2.png) [@WillFarnaby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WillFarnaby)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2019, 10:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elizabeth-warren-2020/838800/297 "2019-10-11T10:06:05Z")
> [@RTFirefly](#): > > Happy to give you one. 🙂 > > Speaking of ‘primitive’ things, do you use roads and bridges? Those of us who do must dismay you tremendously. What does that have to do with what I’ve discussed or Warren in general? ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2019, 12:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elizabeth-warren-2020/838800/298 "2019-10-11T12:35:02Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > But Obama was also much, much stronger than Warren is. While Obama is a more inspirational speaker, Warren’s resume is better than Obama’s was. I think Trump shows that speaking in a way that motivates support is more important than skills and experience, so you’re probably correct, but I think “much, much stronger” is an overstatement. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2019, 2:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elizabeth-warren-2020/838800/299 "2019-10-11T14:32:45Z")
> [@RTFirefly](#): > > Well, we **are** in a new Gilded Age, so the shoe fits. 🙂 > > Who’s against giving workers the means to fight their own battles? Seems like a winner to me. Historically, in NC at least, the Fusion Party was destroyed by a violent coup led by white supremacists, who massacred black activists in Wilmington and ushered in Jim Crow. I think WF’s warning is apropos, but maybe not for the reason he means: it’s apropos because progressive forces are on the cusp of another move forward, and we need to take the lessons of the late 19th century to heart, and be on guard against violent suppression. ---
**Author:** ![ShadowFacts](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shadowfacts/32/2934_2.png) [@ShadowFacts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShadowFacts)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2019, 6:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elizabeth-warren-2020/838800/300 "2019-10-11T18:19:43Z")
Warren [had a viral moment](https://twitter.com/CNN/status/1182472325905682432) at the LGBTQ-focused CNN Town Hall that is getting a lot of traction in my very heavily LGBTQ-friendly social media sphere. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elizabeth-warren-2020/838800.md?page=14) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elizabeth-warren-2020/838800.md?page=16)