# Elizabeth Warren 2020 **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [August 17, 2019, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elizabeth-warren-2020/838800 "2019-08-17T17:03:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 19
**Author:** ![Lamoral](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lamoral/32/16078_2.png) [@Lamoral](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lamoral)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2019, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elizabeth-warren-2020/838800/361 "2019-10-22T18:41:03Z")
Well, it’s something that can be improved. It’s possible to be coached and trained to improve your vocal delivery. It would, in my opinion, _really_ improve her chances. Is she going to do it? I know if it was me in the position, I would be working like hell at it over the next year. Actors do it all the time. And she’s auditioning for a job that’s a hell of a lot more important than being an actor. ---
**Author:** ![Boycott](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boycott/32/6741_2.png) [@Boycott](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boycott)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2019, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elizabeth-warren-2020/838800/362 "2019-10-22T18:50:57Z")
> [@Lamoral](#): > > Well, it’s something that can be improved. It’s possible to be coached and trained to improve your vocal delivery. It would, in my opinion, _really_ improve her chances. > > Is she going to do it? > > I know if it was me in the position, I would be working like hell at it over the next year. Actors do it all the time. And she’s auditioning for a job that’s a hell of a lot more important than being an actor. If she does that she’ll probably be criticised for being “inauthentic”. ---
**Author:** ![Lamoral](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lamoral/32/16078_2.png) [@Lamoral](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lamoral)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2019, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elizabeth-warren-2020/838800/363 "2019-10-22T19:16:49Z")
She’ll already be criticized for anything and everything; it’s a moot point. That’s WHY her direct first-hand delivery, straight from her mouth to the voters’ brains, is so important. That’s why it’s important as hell for ALL the candidates. ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2019, 10:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elizabeth-warren-2020/838800/364 "2019-10-22T22:17:28Z")
> [@Lamoral](#): > > I just watched a live clip of Warren speaking at some kind of teachers’ rally in Chicago. (It popped up on YouTube after a different video finished playing.) I have to say, there is simply no way around this - her voice _sounds like she is perpetually about to cry._ I don’t know how else to put this, that’s the way it sounds. I haven’t ever heard anyone else whose style of delivering public speeches is so …beseeching? Bleating? Quavering? I don’t know what other words to use. It sounds weak. It sounds grating. It’s downright hard to listen to for prolonged periods of time. > > This has nothing to do with her gender. Harris doesn’t speak this way. Gabbard doesn’t speak this way. Klobuchar (who I don’t like, but still) doesn’t speak this way. Hillary Clinton did not speak this way. If that tone of voice were coming from a dude, it would be every bit as unsettling to me. What can I say? So much this. I’m not that worried about her beating Trump, but by 2024 people are going to be incredibly tired of hearing her screechy-preach at them. ---
**Author:** ![CaptMurdock](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/captmurdock/32/11736_2.png) [@CaptMurdock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CaptMurdock)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2019, 10:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elizabeth-warren-2020/838800/365 "2019-10-22T22:26:59Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > So much this. I’m not that worried about her beating Trump, but by 2024 people are going to be incredibly tired of hearing her screechy-preach at them. Even if true, so what? I don’t recall there being a Constitutional _requirement_ to run for two terms – just a limit. ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2019, 10:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elizabeth-warren-2020/838800/366 "2019-10-22T22:39:35Z")
> [@CaptMurdock](#): > > Even if true, so what? I don’t recall there being a Constitutional _requirement_ to run for two terms – just a limit. “So what”? 😕 (1) It strikes me as highly unlikely that she won’t run for reelection. (2) Even if she somehow doesn’t, the scenario where her approval ratings have tanked and she pulls out of the race is not a strong one for Democrats–as Hubert Humphrey discovered. (3) We will get a lot more done in Congress (maybe even holding it in the 2022 midterms) if we have a Democratic president people like to listen to. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2019, 10:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elizabeth-warren-2020/838800/367 "2019-10-22T22:49:29Z")
…its nice to know that we are at the :: read notes :: “critique the women’s creaky voice” stage of the elections. Nice to know that people are focusing on the important things. Her first-hand delivery, straight from her mouth to the voters’ brains, is perfectly fine. Its perfectly normal. > [@Lamoral](#): > > Well, it’s something that can be improved. It’s possible to be coached and trained to improve your vocal delivery. It would, in my opinion, _really_ improve her chances. > > Is she going to do it? > > I know if it was me in the position, I would be working like hell at it over the next year. Actors do it all the time. And she’s auditioning for a job that’s a hell of a lot more important than being an actor. LOL. How many people are complaining about Warren’s voice? How is this even an issue? Just try googling “elizabeth warren’s voice” or “elizabeth warren’s vocal delivery.” Would it surprise you to find that almost nobody is complaining about her vocal delivery? It would be a disaster for her to “work like hell” on her voice for the next year to please a single person on the straightdope message board. That doesn’t make any sense. Her voice sound perfectly fine on the clip you posted. Absolutely fine. She didn’t sound like she wanted to cry. It didn’t sound weak. It wasn’t grating. I have no problems listening to her for long periods of time. We get it. You don’t like Warren as a candidate. But that doesn’t mean you have to nitpick every single little thing about her. That says more about the person doing the nitpicking than it says about Warren. ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2019, 11:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elizabeth-warren-2020/838800/368 "2019-10-22T23:02:28Z")
:rolleyes: Sure, BB: go right for the gender defense even though both Lamoral and I have pointed out that we see no problem with a variety of other Democratic women’s voices. (And I have also said I do have a problem with Bernie’s voice, as well as someone like Robert Kennedy Jr.) I actually have seen the voice thing raised quite a bit, but always by people making your case, that the criticism is sexist. But they generally say it’s something you hear from the hoi polloi at the Iowa State fair or whatever. And that’s a key point. It’s people who aren’t on Twitter, which is the key group in the general election. Although there are presumably lots of people on Twitter as well who privately think this, but are not keen to get roasted/canceled. I actually don’t think it’s likely she can change her voice much even with media training. But she clearly has already gotten training to counter her “resting grouchy face”. Take a look at all the forced smiles at the last debate compared to the first one. It does not look convincing, however. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2019, 11:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elizabeth-warren-2020/838800/369 "2019-10-22T23:19:17Z")
There’s not a thing wrong with Warren’s voice except that she’s the front-runner. Warren has been in the public eye for, what, a decade or more? Since she became a national figure with the Consumer Protection Agency and all the news surrounding that? So if we were to look\*, would we find posts from those criticizing her voice here, talking about her voice back then? \*in social media sources in general, given that not everyone complaining had an account on SDMB ten years ago. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2019, 11:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elizabeth-warren-2020/838800/370 "2019-10-22T23:23:22Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > :rolleyes: Sure, BB: go right for the gender defense even though both Lamoral and I have pointed out that we see no problem with a variety of other Democratic women’s voices. …I made an observation of fact, that’s all. > [@](#): > > I actually have seen the voice thing raised quite a bit, but always by people making your case, that the criticism is sexist. I said nothing about sexism. > [@](#): > > But they generally say it’s something you hear from the hoi polloi at the Iowa State fair or whatever. And that’s a key point. It’s people who aren’t on Twitter, which is the key group in the general election. What people “generally say” is what is at issue here. What you are actually talking about is “the people that you hear.” The people that you are hearing might not be representative of what people actually think. > [@](#): > > Although there are presumably lots of people on Twitter as well who privately think this, but are not keen to get roasted/canceled. LOL. > [@Sealioning](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sealioning/841837/173): > > No one has a right to tweet publicly and get only positive responses. If you don’t like that, don’t use Twitter. You are a literal stan for “cancel culture.” If people get “cancelled” its because of people like you. > [@](#): > > I actually don’t think it’s likely she can change her voice much even with media training. But she clearly has already gotten training to counter her “resting grouchy face”. Take a look at all the forced smiles at the last debate compared to the first one. It does not look convincing, however. She doesn’t need to change her voice. I don’t see a difference in her face. You see what you want to see. ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2019, 11:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elizabeth-warren-2020/838800/371 "2019-10-22T23:57:35Z")
Pretty funny that BB claims no one is talking about this. Start here, with too great a variety of characterizations of her voice for me to quote: > **[How would you describe Elizabeth Warren's voice?](https://www.tigerdroppings.com/rant/politics/how-would-you-describe-elizabeth-warrens-voice/84146484/)** > > How would you describe Elizabeth Warren's voice? - I'd say: warbling (like a docile bird), hectoring, plaintive, pleading, nagging. I'm honestly not kidding But there are a few others that do offer pithy excerpts: > **[Would Elizabeth Warren be more likable and electable if her voice was...](https://www.quora.com/Would-Elizabeth-Warren-be-more-likable-and-electable-if-her-voice-was-stronger-She-always-sounds-like-shes-about-to-cry-especially-when-she-s-impassioned-about-something)** > > Answer (1 of 10): Hello and great question. > > The optics/image of a candidate has been the subject of politics for a long time. If there is one thing every human being is an expert at is body language. We have an innate sense of people based on their... > [@](#): > > Would Elizabeth Warren be more likable and electable if her voice was stronger? She always sounds like she’s about to cry, especially when she’s impassioned about something. > **[Opinion | "Likability" is a sexist, useless metric. The treatment of...](https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/elizabeth-warren-hillary-clinton-sexist-hypocrisy-likability-media-narrative-here-ncna955021)** > > At this rate, the only likable female president will be one who doesn't want the job. > [@](#): > > “Warren and her hectoring, know-it-all style leaves” women disappointed, Democratic analyst Dan Payne wrote at the time, complaining that “all she does in her ads is complain about national problems,” and describing her as “preachy” and “lawyer-like.” > Payne suggested she “lose the granny glasses,” “soften the hair” and get coaching to “deepen her voice, which grates on some.” She should also practice “ a little modesty,” he said, and “stop the finger-wagging” because “it adds to her strict schoolmarm appearance and bossy manner." [https://www.thenation.com/article/elizabeth-warren-meets-the-lefts-circular-firing-squad/](https://www.thenation.com/article/elizabeth-warren-meets-the-lefts-circular-firing-squad/) > [@](#): > > But now Warren is a bungling racist with a screechy voice [https://www.telegram.com/article/20120916/COLUMN01/109169735/1246](https://www.telegram.com/article/20120916/COLUMN01/109169735/1246) > [@](#): > > The ads are considered a big improvement over the ones where voters were subjected to her actual voice and opinions, even though the message is basically the same. > This, too, spells trouble for Warren. A candidate appears in a television ad, speaking in her normal, God-given voice, and the ads are so off-putting to voters that her campaign goes to great lengths to make new ones in which she’s not allowed to talk. It’s like one of those high-concept commercials that never show the product. > **[Massachusetts Senate challenger says she’ll win because men find Elizabeth...](https://thinkprogress.org/massachusetts-senate-challenger-beth-lindstrom-sexist-attack-warren-9193d388018b/)** > > "Men, three times a week they'll say, 'it is like nails on a chalk board,' truly." > [@](#): > > Massachusetts Senate challenger says she’ll win because men find Elizabeth Warren’s voice grating > “Men, three times a week they’ll say, ‘it is like nails on a chalk board,’ truly.” > **[Perspective | That grating noise? It’s people criticizing female voices on...](https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2019/09/11/that-grating-noise-its-people-criticizing-female-voices-debate-stage/)** > > Only Elizabeth Warren, Kamala Harris and Amy Klobuchar need worry about sounding ‘shrill,’ ‘emotional’ or like an ‘ice pick’ in the ear. > [@](#): > > The entire being of Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) regularly seems to vibrate with feeling, whether she’s correcting a crowd for laughing at the wrong moment or recalling her childhood tribulations. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2019, 12:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elizabeth-warren-2020/838800/372 "2019-10-23T00:13:22Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > There’s not a thing wrong with Warren’s voice except that she’s the front-runner. > > Warren has been in the public eye for, what, a decade or more? Since she became a national figure with the Consumer Protection Agency and all the news surrounding that? > > So if we were to look\*, would we find posts from those criticizing her voice here, talking about her voice back then? > > \*in social media sources in general, given that not everyone complaining had an account on SDMB ten years ago. First of all, an arched eyebrow and undirected accusations of inconsistency is a super lame “argument”. Secondly, some political appointee working on a specific policy committee does not get remotely the same attention or oratory critiques as a politician running for the presidency. You should know that. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2019, 12:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elizabeth-warren-2020/838800/373 "2019-10-23T00:28:40Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > Pretty funny that BB claims no one is talking about this. > > Start here, with too great a variety of characterizations of her voice for me to quote: > > [How would you describe Elizabeth Warren's voice? | Political Talk](https://www.tigerdroppings.com/rant/politics/how-would-you-describe-elizabeth-warrens-voice/84146484/) > > But there are a few others that do offer pithy excerpts: > > [https://www.quora.com/Would-Elizabeth-Warren-be-more-likable-and-electable-if-her-voice-was-stronger-She-always-sounds-like-shes-about-to-cry-especially-when-she-s-impassioned-about-something](https://www.quora.com/Would-Elizabeth-Warren-be-more-likable-and-electable-if-her-voice-was-stronger-She-always-sounds-like-shes-about-to-cry-especially-when-she-s-impassioned-about-something) > > [Elizabeth Warren, Hillary Clinton and the sexist hypocrisy of the 'likability' media narrative. Here we go again.](https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/elizabeth-warren-hillary-clinton-sexist-hypocrisy-likability-media-narrative-here-ncna955021) > > [https://www.thenation.com/article/elizabeth-warren-meets-the-lefts-circular-firing-squad/](https://www.thenation.com/article/elizabeth-warren-meets-the-lefts-circular-firing-squad/) > > [https://www.telegram.com/article/20120916/COLUMN01/109169735/1246](https://www.telegram.com/article/20120916/COLUMN01/109169735/1246) > > [Massachusetts Senate challenger says she’ll win because men find Elizabeth Warren’s voice grating – ThinkProgress](https://thinkprogress.org/massachusetts-senate-challenger-beth-lindstrom-sexist-attack-warren-9193d388018b/) > > [https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2019/09/11/that-grating-noise-its-people-criticizing-female-voices-debate-stage/](https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2019/09/11/that-grating-noise-its-people-criticizing-female-voices-debate-stage/) …LOL. Your very first cite is to a website called “Tiger Droppings”. Its a fucking messageboard about sports, with article like “Wow, Actress Kate Beckingsale Really Gets Stretched out before her workouts” and “Cincinnati fan cuts her jeans in the back to show off her Bangals leg tattoo” highlighted on their front page. Your second cite is to quora which uBlock Origin has got on its blocklist for bad trackers. Your third cites Dan Payne, a pundit who gets paid for “hot takes”, the fourth cite actually says the literal opposite of what you think it does, the fifth cite is from two-thousand-and-fucking-twelve and the fact that they may have done ads where she wasn’t talking \*then \*has no relevance to what they are doing _now_, the sixth cite was from a \*challenger \*to Warren, and I’m not going to click on the seventh because I only get three free articles from the Washington Post and I’m not going to waste a click considering how useless the rest of your cites have been. But all of that is beside the point: because if you thought that I meant “literally nobody else on the planet has ever talked about Warren’s voice” then you are mistaken. I did a cursory google search. I found nothing. That means **nobody of note** is having this discussion. I’m sure SirWinston and Hemphead over at [tigerdroppings.dot.com](http://tigerdroppings.dot.com) have strong opinions on Warren. But if you think that’s enough to swing an election then its over to you to make that case. ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2019, 1:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elizabeth-warren-2020/838800/374 "2019-10-23T01:50:32Z")
Amazing how far the goalposts have moved since earlier today. :rolleyes: > [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > How many people are complaining about Warren’s voice? How is this even an issue? Just try googling “elizabeth warren’s voice” or “elizabeth warren’s vocal delivery.” Would it surprise you to find that almost nobody is complaining about her vocal delivery? It would be a disaster for her to “work like hell” on her voice for the next year to please a single person on the straightdope message board. That doesn’t make any sense. ---
**Author:** ![Linden\_Arden](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/53a042/32.png) [@Linden\_Arden](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Linden_Arden)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2019, 2:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elizabeth-warren-2020/838800/375 "2019-10-23T02:26:05Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > There’s not a thing wrong with Warren’s voice except that she’s the front-runner. Her voice is part of the persona she projects and right now her persona is that of a Female Dukakis - a weak ineffectual old matron with little respect outside the 10-15% faithful who already support her. Democrats can fumble this layup away if they don’t get behind someone who inspires confidence among the center and Obama has done his two terms. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2019, 2:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elizabeth-warren-2020/838800/376 "2019-10-23T02:39:08Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > Amazing how far the goalposts have moved since earlier today. :rolleyes: …what goalpost have been moved? You cited a guy named “Hemphead” posting on a place called “tigerdroppings.” You cited an opponent, an “ask questions” forum, a pundit and somebody from 2012.“ **Almost nobody** is complaining about her vocal delivery” is a statement that is backed up by your cites, which shows a bunch of nobodies complaining about her vocal delivery. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![dalej42](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@dalej42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dalej42)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2019, 3:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elizabeth-warren-2020/838800/377 "2019-10-23T03:02:50Z")
> [@Lamoral](#): > > I just watched a live clip of Warren speaking at some kind of teachers’ rally in Chicago. (It popped up on YouTube after a different video finished playing.) I have to say, there is simply no way around this - her voice _sounds like she is perpetually about to cry._ I don’t know how else to put this, that’s the way it sounds. I haven’t ever heard anyone else whose style of delivering public speeches is so …beseeching? Bleating? Quavering? I don’t know what other words to use. It sounds weak. It sounds grating. It’s downright hard to listen to for prolonged periods of time. > > This has nothing to do with her gender. Harris doesn’t speak this way. Gabbard doesn’t speak this way. Klobuchar (who I don’t like, but still) doesn’t speak this way. Hillary Clinton did not speak this way. If that tone of voice were coming from a dude, it would be every bit as unsettling to me. What can I say? > > I think this is a weakness of Warren’s. I’ve made no secret of the fact that I think Buttigieg has the best speaking delivery of any of the candidates - that’s my gold standard of how it should be. > > edit - [here’s a clip - listen for yourself.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLaO2ORSp8A) Actually, regardless of her speaking voice, she made a bad political mistake by wading into the mess of the the Chicago Teachers Union strike. I hope for her sake she knows what a hornet’s nest that strike is here. It’s fine to support them if you want. But they ain’t no cute and cuddly group of teachers who just want what’s best for the children. ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2019, 3:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elizabeth-warren-2020/838800/378 "2019-10-23T03:55:50Z")
BB, what happened to “a single person on the straightdope message board”? :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![Lamoral](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lamoral/32/16078_2.png) [@Lamoral](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lamoral)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2019, 3:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elizabeth-warren-2020/838800/379 "2019-10-23T03:59:14Z")
Regardless of how big its internet footprint is, the phenomenon exists. I’m not trying to convince anyone of anything. I’m just pointing something out. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2019, 4:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elizabeth-warren-2020/838800/380 "2019-10-23T04:46:28Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > BB, what happened to “a single person on the straightdope message board”? :dubious: …did you miss “Would it surprise you to find that **almost nobody** is complaining about her vocal delivery?” You quoted those words. I wrote those words. What is it, do you think I meant when I said “almost nobody?” And did you miss the context of "“a single person on the straightdope message board”? Its seems that you did considering your decision to remove the context from that quote. I said " **It would be a disaster for her to “work like hell” on her voice for the next year** to please a single person on the straightdope message board." The person demanding that Warren works like hell on her voice is here on this messageboard. It wouldn’t surprise me if you found a few others. But it should have been obvious that my statement was directed at the person on the straightdope messageboard or said Warren should “work like hell.” No goalposts shifted. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elizabeth-warren-2020/838800.md?page=18) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elizabeth-warren-2020/838800.md?page=20)