# Elizabeth Warren 2020 **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [August 17, 2019, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elizabeth-warren-2020/838800 "2019-08-17T17:03:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 23
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2019, 9:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elizabeth-warren-2020/838800/441 "2019-11-01T21:53:31Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > Elizabeth Warren cannot – I repeat, CANNOT – defeat Donald Trump unless there is a massive economic crisis. > > The moment ordinary folk hear that her healthcare plan is going to cost $20 trill, it’s over. She’ll get laughed out of the debate auditorium. That’s her plan to not get elected. Maybe she knows something we don’t. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2019, 9:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elizabeth-warren-2020/838800/442 "2019-11-01T21:56:42Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > Elizabeth Warren cannot – I repeat, CANNOT – defeat Donald Trump unless there is a massive economic crisis. > > The moment ordinary folk hear that her healthcare plan is going to cost $20 trill, it’s over. She’ll get laughed out of the debate auditorium. Oh no, a random internet stranger says Warren can’t win! But there’s another random internet stranger who says she can win! What should I do? I know – I’ll ignore what random internet people predict, because such predictions are utterly worthless and those who make them are delusional if they think others should heed them, and I’ll just wait and see. That sounds good! ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2019, 10:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elizabeth-warren-2020/838800/443 "2019-11-01T22:01:23Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Oh no, a random internet stranger says Warren can’t win! But there’s another random internet stranger who says she can win! What should I do? > > I know – I’ll ignore what random internet people predict, because such predictions are utterly worthless and those who make them are delusional if they think others should heed them, and I’ll just wait and see. That sounds good! People are sharing opinions on a message board. It’s like communication in real life. Not everyone has to be a Miss Cleo to share opinions, do they? ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2019, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elizabeth-warren-2020/838800/444 "2019-11-01T22:06:53Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > Lol. Everyone who had any historical knowledge knew that the wealth tax proposal wasn’t going to be fixed at 3%. If ever implemented and found constitutional it won’t be single digit for long either. What historical knowledge are you referring to? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2019, 10:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elizabeth-warren-2020/838800/445 "2019-11-01T22:07:26Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > People are sharing opinions on a message board. It’s like communication in real life. Not everyone has to be a Miss Cleo to share opinions, do they? No, but I enjoy gently mocking silly posts like that that express certainty in the unknowable. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2019, 10:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elizabeth-warren-2020/838800/446 "2019-11-01T22:33:52Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > What historical knowledge are you referring to? The history of the income tax. Would you like some cites? ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2019, 11:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elizabeth-warren-2020/838800/447 "2019-11-01T23:08:42Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > The history of the income tax. Would you like some cites? Shouldn’t you be looking at the history of wealth taxes? ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2019, 11:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elizabeth-warren-2020/838800/448 "2019-11-01T23:14:59Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > Shouldn’t you be looking at the history of wealth taxes? No. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2019, 11:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elizabeth-warren-2020/838800/449 "2019-11-01T23:15:23Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > No, but I enjoy gently mocking silly posts like that that express certainty in the unknowable. It’s not so silly; it’s reality. It’s fact. You will see. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2019, 11:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elizabeth-warren-2020/838800/450 "2019-11-01T23:41:23Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > No, but I enjoy gently mocking silly posts like that that express certainty in the unknowable. “You will see.” I presume that little gem is coming to this thread soon, if it hasn’t already. ---
**Author:** ![Tamerlane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tamerlane/32/7602_2.png) [@Tamerlane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tamerlane)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2019, 1:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elizabeth-warren-2020/838800/451 "2019-11-02T01:25:34Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > It’s not so silly; it’s reality. It’s fact. > > You will see. > [@Happy\_Lendervedder](#): > > “You will see.” > > I presume that little gem is coming to this thread soon, if it hasn’t already. Now, I’d given you all due credit if you had posted that within five minutes. But 26 minutes? I just can’t do it :). ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2019, 1:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elizabeth-warren-2020/838800/452 "2019-11-02T01:44:56Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > It’s not so silly; it’s reality. It’s fact. > > You will see. You’re adorable! The thing is, you might be right. Or you might be totally wrong. There’s no way for you, or for me, to know. This is just a wild guess. It’s one you’re free to make… but when you express this kind of certainty, you just make me laugh. I’ll listen to Nate Silver’s data-based predictions, which have a great track record going back many years and many elections. Almost every other prediction is worthless crap. ---
**Author:** ![bionic\_man](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/49beb7/32.png) [@bionic\_man](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bionic_man)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2019, 3:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elizabeth-warren-2020/838800/453 "2019-11-02T03:05:18Z")
Nixon and gore were both vice presidents under a success nomination.i am wondering if that is a gander of being nominated.Humphrey never got renominated in 72 but Johnson wasn’t that popular at end of term.as a v.p. ever lost nomination? ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2019, 2:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elizabeth-warren-2020/838800/454 "2019-11-02T14:14:44Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > You’re adorable! > > The thing is, you might be right. Or you might be totally wrong. There’s no way for you, or for me, to know. This is just a wild guess. It’s one you’re free to make… but when you express this kind of certainty, you just make me laugh. > > I’ll listen to Nate Silver’s data-based predictions, which have a great track record going back many years and many elections. Almost every other prediction is worthless crap. I’m not wrong; Warren’s and Sanders’ campaigns might fare well in states and counties that are reliably blue, but they are not going to be well-received in the center of the United States. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2019, 2:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elizabeth-warren-2020/838800/455 "2019-11-02T14:42:43Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > I’m not wrong; Warren’s and Sanders’ campaigns might fare well in states and counties that are reliably blue, but they are not going to be well-received in the center of the United States. We’ll see. I’m unconvinced by the certainty of random strangers on the internet. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2019, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elizabeth-warren-2020/838800/456 "2019-11-02T17:25:45Z")
What _might_ work well is a 3% wealth tax applied only _instead_ of income tax when the individual’s wealth tax would be larger. > [@octopus](#): > > No. Anyone who thinks a wealth tax is likely to exceed 10% hasn’t thought through the simple arithmetic. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2019, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elizabeth-warren-2020/838800/457 "2019-11-02T19:16:22Z")
Warren’s going all in on this plan is IMHO a \*horrible \*idea and demonstrates horrible judgement. I’ve never thought that she would be the best president of the bunch but I _had_ managed to convince myself that she was possibly more electable than Biden as Biden has disappointed so far during this campaign. That’s regrettably now past tense. I am left with hoping that Biden either gets his shit together or falls so dramatically that he drops out leaving space for maybe Klobuchar to pop out of the lower tier … the former is of course more likely. Sigh. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2019, 9:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elizabeth-warren-2020/838800/458 "2019-11-02T21:55:59Z")
I just took a quick peek at what appears to be her website (it has her name in the domain, but, hell, who can tell anymore). One of the things that struck me was where she speaks of putting political/economic power back in the hands of the (common) people. “Back”? Can someone point me to a time when the people had any meaningful power of either kind? Like, ever? ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2019, 10:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elizabeth-warren-2020/838800/459 "2019-11-02T22:47:01Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > I just took a quick peek at what appears to be her website (it has her name in the domain, but, hell, who can tell anymore). One of the things that struck me was where she speaks of putting political/economic power back in the hands of the (common) people. “Back”? Can someone point me to a time when the people had any meaningful power of either kind? Like, ever? Sure. Back when America was great. I’ll let you google the exact date. ---
**Author:** ![That\_Don\_Guy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/that_don_guy/32/538_2.png) [@That\_Don\_Guy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/That_Don_Guy)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2019, 10:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elizabeth-warren-2020/838800/460 "2019-11-02T22:57:47Z")
> [@bionic\_man](#): > > Nixon and gore were both vice presidents under a success nomination.i am wondering if that is a gander of being nominated.Humphrey never got renominated in 72 but Johnson wasn’t that popular at end of term.as a v.p. ever lost nomination? I think the most recent one who actively campaigned for a nomination (unlike, say, Cheney or Quayle) and never got one was Truman’s VP, Alben Barkley; the Democrats nominated Adlai Stevenson instead. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elizabeth-warren-2020/838800.md?page=22) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elizabeth-warren-2020/838800.md?page=24)