# Elizabeth Warren 2020 **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [August 17, 2019, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elizabeth-warren-2020/838800 "2019-08-17T17:03:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2019, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elizabeth-warren-2020/838800/41 "2019-08-18T17:17:05Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > It’s possible to rate your own healthcare positively but the entire system negatively. If you believe that your own costs are good because you’re fairly healthy, you can still worry about what catastrophic illness would do you to your family’s finances, and think that an overhaul of the system is the best approach. That’s exactly what his link shows. People are mostly positive on their own coverage, negative on “the system”. That’s why taking on the system is good politics but not simultaneously taking away anyone’s current plan is not. ---
**Author:** ![dalej42](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@dalej42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dalej42)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2019, 6:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elizabeth-warren-2020/838800/42 "2019-08-18T18:08:01Z")
My current list is: Pete Buttigieg Kamala Harris Elizabeth Warren Warren is really gaining steam among my Twitter bubble, which I admit is a very self selected sample. ‘Elizabeth Warren has a plan for that’ is usually trending on Twitter. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2019, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elizabeth-warren-2020/838800/43 "2019-08-18T18:32:27Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > That’s exactly what his link shows. People are mostly positive on their own coverage, negative on “the system”. That’s why taking on the system is good politics but not simultaneously taking away anyone’s current plan is not. Yeah, I understand what the link shows–but your conclusion is wrong. I’m reasonably positive on my own insurance, but that doesn’t mean I think it’s the best possible world. If you take away my insurance in the process of providing universal health coverage, I’d be very pleased–because under our current system, my own coverage could suddenly turn to shit. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2019, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elizabeth-warren-2020/838800/44 "2019-08-18T20:01:53Z")
Despite claims to the contrary, Elizabeth Warren has her finger on the pulse of the American electorate. This fact was brought home to me by a sponsored ad that just appeared on my Facebook feed, in which Warren urges prospective voters to enter a [“Have A Beer\* With Elizabeth Warren”](https://elizabethwarren.com/grab-a-drink-with-elizabeth-contest-rules/) contest and announces that her favorite beer is Michelob Ultra. I would enter (no [del]purchase[/del] donation is required), but have trouble getting past the incongruity of hoisting a beer with Ms. Warren and watching her motion over an aide after every tiny sip to wipe that icky foam off her lip. I’d sooner [go drinking with Hillary Clinton](https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/oct/20/hillary-clinton-donald-trump-disagreement-on-drink/). \*or other beverage. The winner also gets two nights’ stay in a hotel for some reason, maybe to sleep off the effects of the beer. ---
**Author:** ![Fugazi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/f08c70/32.png) [@Fugazi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fugazi)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2019, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elizabeth-warren-2020/838800/45 "2019-08-18T20:07:01Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > Yeah, I understand what the link shows–but your conclusion is wrong. > > I’m reasonably positive on my own insurance, but that doesn’t mean I think it’s the best possible world. If you take away my insurance in the process of providing universal health coverage, I’d be very pleased–because under our current system, my own coverage could suddenly turn to shit. Exactly. I pay quite a bit in premiums. For that I get a $3000 deductible. My company puts $2000 in a HSA type thing, but 1 ER visit can easily wipe that out and have me paying $1000 out of pocket. Then there’s the jumping through hoops to get mail order pharmacy set up for my wife’s meds because they wouldn’t pay for a regular pharmacy anymore. The only thing that saves me from really paying out is I get all my care through the VA. If all my premiums went to taxes instead to pay for healthcare and I never had to deal with another insurance company, I’d be very happy. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2019, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elizabeth-warren-2020/838800/46 "2019-08-18T20:23:51Z")
I’m surprised Warren’s support for a wealth tax isn’t immediately disqualifying in the minds of rational voters. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2019, 9:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elizabeth-warren-2020/838800/47 "2019-08-18T21:27:43Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > That’s a non sequitur. Yeah, we need to get him out of office. But the last two presidents that were elected were quintessentially unelectable: a black man in a country that had only ever elected white men, and then Trump. > > Our electorate clearly doesn’t care about electability. They got elected, thereby, _ipso facto,_ they had electability. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2019, 9:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elizabeth-warren-2020/838800/48 "2019-08-18T21:30:10Z")
> [@AHunter3](#): > > Who are these suburbanites who are perfectly happy with their health insurance? :dubious: > > “OK, we need you to get an x-ray. We don’t do that here” > … > “Your prescription has been sent in to your pharmacy” > … > > _later, goes to a specialist’s office for the first time, feeling awful sick_ > …" Xray- Down the hall to the left. Pharmacy- ground floor. Specialist- another office, 15 minutes away. Here’s your appt. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2019, 9:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elizabeth-warren-2020/838800/49 "2019-08-18T21:35:02Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > I’m surprised Warren’s support for a wealth tax isn’t immediately disqualifying in the minds of rational voters. She’s running for the Democratic nomination. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![sps49sd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a9a28c/32.png) [@sps49sd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sps49sd)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2019, 10:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elizabeth-warren-2020/838800/50 "2019-08-18T22:33:29Z")
I was lukewarm about Warren- it seems \*everyone \*is espousing ideas that sound fine but don’t stand up to scrutiny- but her (and Harris) using the 5 year anniversary of Ferguson to repeat the lie that Micheal Brown was murdered is just chumming for votes. It doesn’t appear to have hurt her support here, but it feels like Hilary Lite, saying something she (hopefully) doesn’t believe to get unearned support. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2019, 10:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elizabeth-warren-2020/838800/51 "2019-08-18T22:48:33Z")
So, you’re saying that he’s still alive? ---
**Author:** ![Ukulele\_Ike](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/df788c/32.png) [@Ukulele\_Ike](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ukulele_Ike)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2019, 10:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elizabeth-warren-2020/838800/52 "2019-08-18T22:49:44Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > She’s running for the Democratic nomination. Are you two tag-teaming now? ---
**Author:** ![Boycott](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boycott/32/6741_2.png) [@Boycott](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boycott)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2019, 11:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elizabeth-warren-2020/838800/53 "2019-08-18T23:02:19Z")
> [@sps49sd](#): > > I was lukewarm about Warren- it seems \*everyone \*is espousing ideas that sound fine but don’t stand up to scrutiny- **but her (and Harris) using the 5 year anniversary of Ferguson to repeat the lie that Micheal Brown was murdered is just chumming for votes.** > > It doesn’t appear to have hurt her support here, but it feels like Hilary Lite, saying something she (hopefully) doesn’t believe to get unearned support. I hadn’t heard of that until you mention it. All I see from a search is a few tweets…is there any word of mouth comment? Because if it was just tweets well nobody really cares about a move like that outside the online social media bubble. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2019, 11:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elizabeth-warren-2020/838800/54 "2019-08-18T23:37:27Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > Yeah, I understand what the link shows–but your conclusion is wrong. > > I’m reasonably positive on my own insurance, but that doesn’t mean I think it’s the best possible world. If you take away my insurance in the process of providing universal health coverage, I’d be very pleased–because under our current system, my own coverage could suddenly turn to shit. > [@Fugazi](#): > > . > > If all my premiums went to taxes instead to pay for healthcare and I never had to deal with another insurance company, I’d be very happy. My conclusion isn’t wrong just because a couple of Dopers would be fine with banning private insurance. Sheesh. [Poll: Most Americans want universal healthcare but don’t want to abolish private insurance](https://thehill.com/hilltv/what-americas-thinking/428958-poll-voters-want-the-government-to-provide-healthcare-for) > [@](#): > > a Hill-HarrisX survey released Thursday, 13 percent of respondents said they would prefer a health care system that covers all citizens and doesn’t allow for private plans, an approach that is sometimes referred to as “single-payer.” > > The most popular option, at 32 percent, consisted of a universal, government-operated system that also would allow people to buy private, supplemental insurance. > > Twenty-six percent of respondents said they wanted a government insurance plan offered to all citizens, but one that doesn’t compel people with private plans to use it, a system sometimes called a “public option.” Talking about banning private insurance doesn’t fly with the American public. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2019, 11:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elizabeth-warren-2020/838800/55 "2019-08-18T23:39:01Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > She’s running for the Democratic nomination. > > Regards, > Shodan You know, for someone who belongs to the party of Trump, you have absolutely no room to question anyone’s intelligence or rationality. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2019, 12:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elizabeth-warren-2020/838800/56 "2019-08-19T00:00:15Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > They got elected, thereby, _ipso facto,_ they had electability. You know, I suppose it’s possible that I’m so politically naive that the above tautology is gonna BLOW MY FUCKIN MIND, in which case, great job posting it! But if that’s not the case, maybe you could reread what you quoted, look over the history of the thread, and figure out if maybe you’re missing something in the conversation. > [@CarnalK](#): > > My conclusion isn’t wrong just because a couple of Dopers would be fine with banning private insurance. No fooling! MIND=BLOWN Christ, y’all, can you knock it off with the Captain Obvious posts? As for the rest of what you said, your new cite offers evidence that wasn’t in the previous, and I appreciate that new cite. I’m not sure you’re correct on the rationale behind those polling results, though. ---
**Author:** ![AHunter3](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ahunter3/32/368_2.png) [@AHunter3](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AHunter3)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2019, 12:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elizabeth-warren-2020/838800/57 "2019-08-19T00:09:21Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > > [@AHunter3](#): > > > > AHunter3 View Post > > Who are these suburbanites who are perfectly happy with their health insurance? > > > > “OK, we need you to get an x-ray. We don’t do that here” > > … > > “Your prescription has been sent in to your pharmacy” > > … > > > > _later, goes to a specialist’s office for the first time, feeling awful sick_ > > Xray- Down the hall to the left. > Pharmacy- ground floor. > Specialist- another office, 15 minutes away. Here’s your appt. I don’t doubt you if that’s what your experience has been. But what I posted above was my own personal experience with private employer-offered health insurance, and I actually _am_ a suburbanite. ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2019, 1:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elizabeth-warren-2020/838800/58 "2019-08-19T01:27:05Z")
> [@Happy\_Lendervedder](#): > > You know, for someone who belongs to the party of Trump, you have absolutely no room to question anyone’s intelligence or rationality. If you have a need or a desire to toss personal barbas, take it to The BBQ Pit, not here. [/Moderating] ---
**Author:** ![sps49sd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a9a28c/32.png) [@sps49sd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sps49sd)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2019, 1:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elizabeth-warren-2020/838800/59 "2019-08-19T01:28:42Z")
> [@Boycott](#): > > I hadn’t heard of that until you mention it. All I see from a search is a few tweets…is there any word of mouth comment? Because if it was just tweets well nobody really cares about a move like that outside the online social media bubble. Sure they were tweets, and the Washington Post gave them [both](https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/08/13/harris-warren-ignore-doj-report-claim-that-michael-brown-was-murdered/) four Pinocchios. Vox had an [article](https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/8/12/20801975/elizabeth-warren-kamala-harris-michael-brown-ferguson-tweets), too. If you mean no progressive “really cares about” facts obscuring a narrative, then I understand you. > [@Chronos](#): > > So, you’re saying that he’s still alive? Are you addressing that to me, mister moderator, sir? Maybe you could address that query to the US Department of Justice. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2019, 1:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elizabeth-warren-2020/838800/60 "2019-08-19T01:42:25Z")
> [@AHunter3](#): > > I don’t doubt you if that’s what your experience has been. But what I posted above was my own personal experience with private employer-offered health insurance, and I actually _am_ a suburbanite. Thing is that those items have little to nothing to do with who is paying the bill or how it gets paid. Well run large groups will run … well. Coordinating and facilitating care. Some large groups and smaller pracowill be more disjointed, even as they might have other pluses. That will be true whatever the payment scheme. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elizabeth-warren-2020/838800.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elizabeth-warren-2020/838800.md?page=4)