# Elizabeth Warren 2020 **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [August 17, 2019, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elizabeth-warren-2020/838800 "2019-08-17T17:03:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2019, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elizabeth-warren-2020/838800/121 "2019-08-26T15:52:20Z")
For some reason, I’m reminded of when Trump talked about “second amendment solutions” and Warren’s response was “he’s mad because he’s losing to a girl!” Zingers and comebacks ain’t her thing. ---
**Author:** ![Razncain](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/9d8465/32.png) [@Razncain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Razncain)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2019, 7:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elizabeth-warren-2020/838800/122 "2019-08-29T19:50:32Z")
> [@Richard\_Parker](#): > > America’s 40,000 gun deaths per year are not about terrorists or even mass shootings. In fact, all that death isn’t really about the “wrong” people buying guns. It is about their sheer number and availability of guns (and a certain American paranoid culture that leads to guns being kept in really unsafe circumstances). If I want to kill myself, or kill the guy who assaulted my cousin, I can get my hands on a gun legally or illegally as easily as a college freshman can get beer. > > We’re not about to ban hand guns, much less confiscate them. Even if it were politically possible, it would be unconstitutional. Pretty much the only meaningful, rational policy that leaves is efforts to reduce the overall supply of and demand for guns. Taxes seem like a good tool to me. If it means someone buys two handguns instead of three, that’s a clear win. If the concern is that people will practice at the range less, that seems like a problem we can avoid. Just heavily license and regulate ranges and have them provide ammo that is exempt from the tax. That statistic has been on the rise for sure as of late. For the longest of time that they have been tracking it’s been around 31,000 annually, IIRC from reading a few days ago, about 60% is from suicide. I’d like to keep it as a viable option for myself, if my health got so bad I’m no longer any good to me or other loved ones. About one-third of firearm violence is from gangs, either street or outlaw motorcycle gangs again IIRC. An ammo tax is not going to slow them down. I don’t think they are about to ban handguns either, but it is something I constantly hear about from others in TX that are Republicans, and that is, the Democratic candidates are really trying to do that in the long run, thinking one piece of legislation will lead to another, to where eventually none of us will have our guns. I have two friends I grew up with, we are in our sixties now, both have about 100 firearms each. I actually don’t think these are the type of people we have to worry about, they follow the law in every way, just to make sure they get to keep their guns. Their passion for firearms far exceed mine, can’t say I really even have a passion for them, I’ve got less than 10. I went over twenty years without firing a one. Only recently have I sort of got back into it some. I’m not a hunter, but do enjoy long range shooting targets, it’s amazing how accurate one can be with the right rifle and scope set up. But I can pretty much take or leave my guns, minus one handgun I want to keep. The funniest take on America’s love affair with firearms, and who is also anti-gun is Jim Jeffries, and he says basically America has one good argument for owning that many guns: “Fuck off, I like guns.” [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/0rR9IaXH1M0/hqdefault.jpg "Jim Jefferies -- Gun Control (Part 1) from BARE -- Netflix Special") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rR9IaXH1M0&t=26) ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2019, 10:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elizabeth-warren-2020/838800/123 "2019-08-29T22:02:58Z")
> [@Richard\_Parker](#): > > …If it means someone buys two handguns instead of three, that’s a clear win. … Why? It only takes one to shoot yourself or do a gang shooting. And those are like the vast majority of the deaths. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2019, 10:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elizabeth-warren-2020/838800/124 "2019-08-29T22:15:31Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > Why? It only takes one to shoot yourself or do a gang shooting. > > And those are like the vast majority of the deaths. How do those gang bangers acquire those guns? ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2019, 10:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elizabeth-warren-2020/838800/125 "2019-08-29T22:27:50Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > How do those gang bangers acquire those guns? Steal them or use a Straw man seller. But they only need one, so a extra $20 in taxes isnt going to make a difference. Idea like Warrens will only hurt the serious collectors and targets shooters, like those qualifying for our Olympics teams. What we need is to crack down on Straw man sellers. ---
**Author:** ![Moriarty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/moriarty/32/49_2.png) [@Moriarty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Moriarty)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2019, 3:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elizabeth-warren-2020/838800/126 "2019-08-30T03:51:26Z")
Random unsubstantiated internet story: I have a friend who makes movies (he’s an old friend from middle school; we’re only connected on social media). He’s working on something related to Roger Stone and posted a picture of him today (Stone will talk to anybody!). Per friend, Stone says the candidate he’s most worried about: Elizabeth Warren. Who would he love for Trump to run against? Joe Biden. I can certainly see this. Biden is sort of a version of Trump, in that both are older white guys who will trade insults and boasts. Warren is an intellectual who will talk policy; Trump can’t compete on that level, and his insults and boasts will seem excessively juvenile by comparison. I truly think she would win in a landslide. ---
**Author:** ![chappachula](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/d2c977/32.png) [@chappachula](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chappachula)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2019, 5:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elizabeth-warren-2020/838800/127 "2019-08-30T05:18:26Z")
> [@Moriarty](#): > > Biden is sort of a version of Trump, in that both are older white guys who will trade insults and boasts. Warren is an intellectual who will talk policy; Trump can’t compete on that level, and his insults and boasts will seem excessively juvenile by comparison. I truly think she would win in a landslide. You,re assuming that most voters are intellectuals who want to talk policy. To win the election you have to make people feel good in their guts, not their brains. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2019, 12:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elizabeth-warren-2020/838800/128 "2019-08-30T12:58:57Z")
> [@Moriarty](#): > > Biden is sort of a version of Trump, in that both are older white guys who will trade insults and boasts. Warren is an intellectual who will talk policy; Trump can’t compete on that level, and his insults and boasts will seem excessively juvenile by comparison. I truly think she would win in a landslide. I don’t know if I agree with that logic. If Warren wins against old white guys who boast and trade insults, and therefore would win by a landslide against Trump, I would expect her to be ahead of Biden in the polls. IOW why doesn’t her intellectual approach work against one boastful insulting old white guy, but would against another? Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2019, 1:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elizabeth-warren-2020/838800/129 "2019-08-30T13:12:33Z")
Biden boastful and insulting? What alternate universe timeline have you come from? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2019, 1:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elizabeth-warren-2020/838800/130 "2019-08-30T13:17:30Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > I don’t know if I agree with that logic. If Warren wins against old white guys who boast and trade insults, and therefore would win by a landslide against Trump, I would expect her to be ahead of Biden in the polls. IOW why doesn’t her intellectual approach work against one boastful insulting old white guy, but would against another? > > Regards, > Shodan Way too early to be making any kind of determination like this. Most Democratic primary voters still aren’t really paying much attention. ---
**Author:** ![Lamoral](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lamoral/32/16078_2.png) [@Lamoral](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lamoral)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2019, 1:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elizabeth-warren-2020/838800/131 "2019-08-30T13:20:25Z")
> [@Moriarty](#): > > I have a friend who makes movies (he’s an old friend from middle school; we’re only connected on social media). He’s working on something related to Roger Stone and posted a picture of him today (Stone will talk to anybody!). Per friend, Stone says the candidate he’s most worried about: Elizabeth Warren. Who would he love for Trump to run against? Joe Biden. If there’s one person whose political opinions I definitely trust, it’s Roger Stone. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2019, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elizabeth-warren-2020/838800/132 "2019-08-30T17:35:55Z")
> [@Moriarty](#): > > Random unsubstantiated internet story: > > I have a friend who makes movies (he’s an old friend from middle school; we’re only connected on social media). He’s working on something related to Roger Stone and posted a picture of him today (Stone will talk to anybody!). Per friend, Stone says the candidate he’s most worried about: Elizabeth Warren. Who would he love for Trump to run against? Joe Biden. > > I can certainly see this. Biden is sort of a version of Trump, in that both are older white guys who will trade insults and boasts. Warren is an intellectual who will talk policy; Trump can’t compete on that level, and his insults and boasts will seem excessively juvenile by comparison. … So we have a friend of someone on a MB :dubious:, and said friend sez :dubious: he 'working on something with Roger stone" :dubious: and then he sez Roger stone sez Trump is worried about Warren not biden. :dubious: Yeah, boy that is sure a solid source. :rolleyes: Besides the obvious fact that any consultant worth a damn would say the opposite of what he really meant\*, and the fact that Biden is nothing at all like trump, doesnt boast, doesnt insult. - in others words- if a GOP consultant sez he’s worried about Warren, not Biden, he’s actually worried about Biden. ---
**Author:** ![Moriarty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/moriarty/32/49_2.png) [@Moriarty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Moriarty)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2019, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elizabeth-warren-2020/838800/133 "2019-08-30T22:06:08Z")
> [@chappachula](#): > > You,re assuming that most voters are intellectuals who want to talk policy. > To win the election you have to make people feel good in their guts, not their brains. I think (hope…pray…) that there will be a rebound effect, a preview of which we saw in the midterms. After so much immaturity, I think a person who talks about ideas is going to seem like a refreshing adult. > [@](#): > > If Warren wins against old white guys who boast and trade insults, and therefore would win by a landslide against Trump, I would expect her to be ahead of Biden in the polls. IOW why doesn’t her intellectual approach work against one boastful insulting old white guy, but would against another? I have 2 theories: 1. Warren is not only going up against Biden, so it’s not yet a head to head matchup like it will be later in the primaries or in the general. Recall that the next democratic debate where Warren and Biden are on the same stage. So, she hasn’t yet gone up against Biden, as they are just two of a very large group; that dilutes the comparisons, although Warren has been making steady progress while Biden is pretty static in terms of approval 2. Because it’s so early, and there are so many candidates, many people aren’t yet paying attention and haven’t yet made the comparisons. In fact, I think this is why Biden is currently strong; the ‘idea’ of him is more appealing than he actually is, and his support will wane as people actually consider their choices. ---
**Author:** ![Moriarty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/moriarty/32/49_2.png) [@Moriarty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Moriarty)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2019, 10:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elizabeth-warren-2020/838800/134 "2019-08-30T22:13:17Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > So we have a friend of someone on a MB :dubious:, and said friend sez :dubious: he 'working on something with Roger stone" :dubious: and then he sez Roger stone sez Trump is worried about Warren not biden. :dubious: Yeah, boy that is sure a solid source. :rolleyes: Did I not preface my statement with “random internet story”? The guy makes legit documentaries (if you’ve watched ESPN’s 30 for 30 series, you’ve seen 3 of them, including the two he did about his Alma Mater’s college football dynasty years), but I mainly thought it was an amusing aside that I saw on Facebook. > [@](#): > > Besides the obvious fact that any consultant worth a damn would say the opposite of what he really meant\*, and the fact that Biden is nothing at all like trump, doesnt boast, doesnt insult. > > - in others words- if a GOP consultant sez he’s worried about Warren, not Biden, he’s actually worried about Biden. Biden doesn’t boast or insult? I recall him talking about “[beating up](https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/21/politics/joe-biden-donald-trump/index.html)” Trump, which was what I was referring to; a contest between Trump and Biden would probably devolve into a claim about who could do more pushups in high school.’ Here’s another one: [I am look forward to "“slap Trump in the mouth,” Biden said.](https://trendingpolitics.com/biden-once-again-threatens-to-physically-harm-president-trump/) ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2019, 1:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elizabeth-warren-2020/838800/135 "2019-08-31T01:26:04Z")
Trash talkin’ Trump is a special case. And does not apply to a primary race. No insults and boasts is not Biden’s general style. ---
**Author:** ![China\_Guy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/779978/32.png) [@China\_Guy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/China_Guy)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2019, 9:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elizabeth-warren-2020/838800/136 "2019-08-31T09:21:02Z")
You mean Donald “don’t throw me in the Biden patch” Trump? It’s real simple. Biden ran for President a couple of times and didn’t get close. What in the hell does anyone think a decade later and a foot closer to the grave that Biden can ac’tually seal the deal this time around? He’s the big swinging dick sales guy that never actually lands the contract. Jus’ saying… ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2019, 1:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elizabeth-warren-2020/838800/137 "2019-08-31T13:51:09Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > It’ll take more than a glowing GQ article to convince me she’s suddenly a good campaigner. But she’s moving her numbers, so I hope it’s true. Just look at her numbers, and that will tell you the story. When she entered the race, she was considered a long shot, one progressive hopeful among many. She has, in my view, run the most strategically sound campaign. You could argue that Bernie has also run a pretty smart campaign, but a lot of his campaign’s energy comes from 2016. I don’t see where Bernie has picked up new voters, but it’s indisputable that Warren has. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2019, 1:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elizabeth-warren-2020/838800/138 "2019-08-31T13:53:36Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Way too early to be making any kind of determination like this. Most Democratic primary voters still aren’t really paying much attention. This is so true. At this stage, it’s the activists and political junkies like us here on SDMB who are paying attention; most of America is not. What worries me like hell is that when Americans do turn in, they’re going to catch Biden mid-stream looking like a bumbling old man lacking the energy to compete with the right wing rage machine. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2019, 7:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elizabeth-warren-2020/838800/139 "2019-08-31T19:29:12Z")
> [@China\_Guy](#): > > You mean Donald “don’t throw me in the Biden patch” Trump? It’s real simple. Biden ran for President a couple of times and didn’t get close. What in the hell does anyone think a decade later and a foot closer to the grave that Biden can ac’tually seal the deal this time around? He’s the big swinging dick sales guy that never actually lands the contract. Jus’ saying… He ran for the Dem primaries and left early. Becuase his polling is excellent, better than anyones, especially vs trump. Not to mention Joe has been swiftboated as much as the GOP could manage, with the help of the bernie bros and the kremlin, and it aint sticking. Those havent even started on several of the other dem candidates, in fact the kremlin even helped Bernie’s 2016 campaign. ---
**Author:** ![Boycott](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boycott/32/6741_2.png) [@Boycott](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boycott)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2019, 7:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elizabeth-warren-2020/838800/140 "2019-08-31T19:31:04Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > This is so true. At this stage, it’s the activists and political junkies like us here on SDMB who are paying attention; most of America is not. What worries me like hell is that when Americans do turn in, they’re going to catch Biden mid-stream looking like a bumbling old man lacking the energy to compete with the right wing rage machine. People have been saying this for months. He was supposed to be on the way down after the confrontation with Harris in the July debate but two months on his numbers are very close to back to where they were pre-debate and it is Harris who is worse off now. Plus all of his “gaffes” have been discussed across the stations, frontpage of Washington Post, NYT, being discussed online. Millions of people watched Harris say “I don’t think you’re a racist _but_”. I don’t think people have soured totally on him because they feel they know him. They have a level of comfort with him. People like the guy, they like his experience and actually, they like his platform too. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elizabeth-warren-2020/838800.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elizabeth-warren-2020/838800.md?page=8)