Elizabeth Warren 2020

That’s her plan to not get elected. Maybe she knows something we don’t.

Oh no, a random internet stranger says Warren can’t win! But there’s another random internet stranger who says she can win! What should I do?

I know – I’ll ignore what random internet people predict, because such predictions are utterly worthless and those who make them are delusional if they think others should heed them, and I’ll just wait and see. That sounds good!

People are sharing opinions on a message board. It’s like communication in real life. Not everyone has to be a Miss Cleo to share opinions, do they?

What historical knowledge are you referring to?

No, but I enjoy gently mocking silly posts like that that express certainty in the unknowable.

The history of the income tax. Would you like some cites?

Shouldn’t you be looking at the history of wealth taxes?

No.

It’s not so silly; it’s reality. It’s fact.

You will see.

“You will see.”

I presume that little gem is coming to this thread soon, if it hasn’t already.

Now, I’d given you all due credit if you had posted that within five minutes. But 26 minutes? I just can’t do it :).

You’re adorable!

The thing is, you might be right. Or you might be totally wrong. There’s no way for you, or for me, to know. This is just a wild guess. It’s one you’re free to make… but when you express this kind of certainty, you just make me laugh.

I’ll listen to Nate Silver’s data-based predictions, which have a great track record going back many years and many elections. Almost every other prediction is worthless crap.

Nixon and gore were both vice presidents under a success nomination.i am wondering if that is a gander of being nominated.Humphrey never got renominated in 72 but Johnson wasn’t that popular at end of term.as a v.p. ever lost nomination?

I’m not wrong; Warren’s and Sanders’ campaigns might fare well in states and counties that are reliably blue, but they are not going to be well-received in the center of the United States.

We’ll see. I’m unconvinced by the certainty of random strangers on the internet.

What might work well is a 3% wealth tax applied only instead of income tax when the individual’s wealth tax would be larger.

Anyone who thinks a wealth tax is likely to exceed 10% hasn’t thought through the simple arithmetic.

Warren’s going all in on this plan is IMHO a *horrible *idea and demonstrates horrible judgement. I’ve never thought that she would be the best president of the bunch but I had managed to convince myself that she was possibly more electable than Biden as Biden has disappointed so far during this campaign. That’s regrettably now past tense.

I am left with hoping that Biden either gets his shit together or falls so dramatically that he drops out leaving space for maybe Klobuchar to pop out of the lower tier … the former is of course more likely.

Sigh.

I just took a quick peek at what appears to be her website (it has her name in the domain, but, hell, who can tell anymore). One of the things that struck me was where she speaks of putting political/economic power back in the hands of the (common) people. “Back”? Can someone point me to a time when the people had any meaningful power of either kind? Like, ever?

Sure. Back when America was great. I’ll let you google the exact date.

I think the most recent one who actively campaigned for a nomination (unlike, say, Cheney or Quayle) and never got one was Truman’s VP, Alben Barkley; the Democrats nominated Adlai Stevenson instead.