# Elizabeth Warren is running for the Senate **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [September 14, 2011, 3:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elizabeth-warren-is-running-for-the-senate/596250 "2011-09-14T03:59:33Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2012, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elizabeth-warren-is-running-for-the-senate/596250/181 "2012-06-02T16:30:47Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > Still, it’s a rare politician who isn’t caught having embellished his family history at one time or another. Her transgression, if it even is one, doesn’t seem out of line with what we see all the time. Sure, and somebody generally starts threads about those other embellishments too: GWB’s military service, Rubio’s “refugee” parents, Biden’s sort-of-plagiarism, and so on. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2012, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elizabeth-warren-is-running-for-the-senate/596250/182 "2012-06-02T16:57:40Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > Sure, and somebody generally starts threads about those other embellishments too: GWB’s military service, Rubio’s “refugee” parents, Biden’s sort-of-plagiarism, and so on. So what? ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2012, 5:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elizabeth-warren-is-running-for-the-senate/596250/183 "2012-06-02T17:13:59Z")
You seem to be arguing that Warren’s error/lie/whatever doesn’t warrant a thread. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2012, 6:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elizabeth-warren-is-running-for-the-senate/596250/184 "2012-06-02T18:03:28Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > You seem to be arguing that Warren’s error/lie/whatever doesn’t warrant a thread. Well, first of all, this is a side topic in a thread that was started about EW. The OP doesn’t mention this issue at all. So this isn’t a thread about it. Secondly, you’re wrong. I find it an interestingly humorous story about a politician caught up in embellishment. Some people seem to be outraged about it. I’m not. Are you? And if you’re not, are arguing that this topic doesn’t warrant a thread? ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2012, 12:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elizabeth-warren-is-running-for-the-senate/596250/185 "2012-06-03T00:03:50Z")
I’m not outraged, but that might be because I don’t live in Massachusetts and don’t give a shit. If I did, I might have started a thread about it. ---
**Author:** ![waterj2](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/858c86/32.png) [@waterj2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/waterj2)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2012, 1:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elizabeth-warren-is-running-for-the-senate/596250/186 "2012-06-03T01:27:32Z")
> [@Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](#): > > In addition, it appears Ms. Warren has a challenge from the left (apparently to some she is not leftist enough): [http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/27/us/politics/democrat-challenges-elizabeth-warren-in-massachusetts.html](http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/27/us/politics/democrat-challenges-elizabeth-warren-in-massachusetts.html). Perhaps Marisa DeFranco can pull a Sharron Angle or a Christine O’Donnell… _Keeps fingers crossed_ According to the email I just received from the Warren campaign, she just got 95% of the vote at the state convention. She needed 85% to avert a primary challenge. So, no such luck for you. Meanwhile, Warren’s favorability throughout the Native American heritage non-scandal has remained flat (after declining in April from its peak), and her unfavoribility is actually dropping: [http://polltracker.talkingpointsmemo.com/contests/elizabeth-warren-favorability-ma](http://polltracker.talkingpointsmemo.com/contests/elizabeth-warren-favorability-ma) ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2012, 3:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elizabeth-warren-is-running-for-the-senate/596250/187 "2012-06-03T03:28:23Z")
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**Author:** ![gamerunknown](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/6bbea6/32.png) [@gamerunknown](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gamerunknown)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2012, 1:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elizabeth-warren-is-running-for-the-senate/596250/188 "2012-06-16T01:04:46Z")
> [@Really Not All That Bright](#): > > In terms of admission to Harvard University, he is correct. He’s wrong on the male part. Females are [under represented](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_the_US) in [Harvard](http://www.provost.harvard.edu/institutional_research/factbook.php). Females form 50.6% of the US population and 48.4% of students there. Native Americans are likewise underrepresented, forming 0.4% of students and 0.9% of the US population. Blacks are underrepresented, forming 12.6% of the US population and 5.6% of students. Asians are overrepresented at 4.8% of the US population and 12.5% of the students. If he wanted to argue consideration for the world as a whole, blacks are still underrepresented at [20](http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_percentage_of_people_in_the_world_are_black)% of the world population. Claiming blacks have an easier admission criteria regardless is merely taking the argument a step back to the [substantial environmental benefits](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2mjvFNOwmc) that white individuals enjoy and the environmental effects black people [suffer](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stereotype_threat). Claiming inherent racial differences is best saved for [another thread](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=653191). ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2012, 2:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elizabeth-warren-is-running-for-the-senate/596250/189 "2012-06-16T02:06:43Z")
That’s not how it works. You have to look at the number of students in each group relative to the number of _applicants_, not the general population. If Harvard only had two female applicants, it would hardly be “discrimination” if it only had two female students. I notice that you left out the part of the quoted post that makes the second paragraph of yours superfluous, by the way. ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2012, 3:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elizabeth-warren-is-running-for-the-senate/596250/190 "2012-06-16T03:51:58Z")
I think people are being too hard on Warren. I mean, she’s running in MA and she’s doing thing the MA way. I mean, sheeze, the other senator turned a scratch on the arm into three Purple Hearts and being embraced as a war hero. Until he threw the medals away at the Washington Hall to be an anti-war hero. Until he decided to tell the American people he was “reporting for duty” as a surviving war hero. If she’s turning some high cheekbones and being able to walk softly at night into being a Cherokee, meh. Small potatoes. By MA standards, any way. By normal standards she’d slink away in embarrassment, but like I said, it’s MA! ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2012, 4:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elizabeth-warren-is-running-for-the-senate/596250/191 "2012-06-16T04:01:05Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > I think people are being too hard on Warren. I mean, she’s running in MA and she’s doing thing the MA way. I mean, sheeze, the other senator turned a scratch on the arm into three Purple Hearts and being embraced as a war hero. Until he threw the medals away at the Washington Hall to be an anti-war hero. Until he decided to tell the American people he was “reporting for duty” as a surviving war hero. If she’s turning some high cheekbones and being able to walk softly at night into being a Cherokee, meh. Small potatoes. By MA standards, any way. By normal standards she’d slink away in embarrassment, but like I said, it’s MA! Really? Do you want a purple heart band-aid so you can belittle someone who actually served in wartime, in the war ZONE, as opposed to the son of privilege who got a stateside billet because of who his father was? ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2012, 5:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elizabeth-warren-is-running-for-the-senate/596250/192 "2012-06-16T05:42:09Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > I think people are being too hard on Warren. I mean, she’s running in MA and she’s doing thing the MA way. I mean, sheeze, the other senator turned a scratch on the arm into three Purple Hearts and being embraced as a war hero. Until he threw the medals away at the Washington Hall to be an anti-war hero. Until he decided to tell the American people he was “reporting for duty” as a surviving war hero. If she’s turning some high cheekbones and being able to walk softly at night into being a Cherokee, meh. Small potatoes. By MA standards, any way. By normal standards she’d slink away in embarrassment, but like I said, it’s MA! I’m no fan of Kerry, but this is a fucking idiotic post. You know he still has a two-inch piece of shrapnel lodged in his thigh, right? ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2012, 2:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elizabeth-warren-is-running-for-the-senate/596250/193 "2012-06-16T14:04:48Z")
[Warren says Americans “understand the game is rigged.”](http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/06/14/warren-americans-understand-the-game-is-rigged/) ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2012, 2:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elizabeth-warren-is-running-for-the-senate/596250/194 "2012-06-16T14:21:19Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > I’m no fan of Kerry, but this is a fucking idiotic post. You know he still has a two-inch piece of shrapnel lodged in his thigh, right? Not the result of enemy fire, thus it does not merit the award. This has all been discussed before. So, let’s concentrate on the present attempt of a prospective MA senator to fabricate a history. I didm’t intend to my observation to turn into a hijack. [QUOTE=jayjay] Really? Do you want a purple heart band-aid so you can belittle someone who actually served in wartime, in the war ZONE, as opposed to the son of privilege who got a stateside billet because of who his father was? [/QUOTE] What does Bush have to do with Kerry’s service? Unless you think I’m a fan of Bush and/or voted for him. Which I am not. And did not. ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2012, 2:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elizabeth-warren-is-running-for-the-senate/596250/195 "2012-06-16T14:55:39Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > What does Bush have to do with Kerry’s service? About as much as Kerry’s service has to do with Warren’s campaign. ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2012, 3:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elizabeth-warren-is-running-for-the-senate/596250/196 "2012-06-16T15:07:48Z")
> [@Robot\_Arm](#): > > About as much as Kerry’s service has to do with Warren’s campaign. True. But the similarity of fabricating a persona struck me and I thought it interesting that they were both from MA. It’s not really anything to make a big deal about. I mean it’s not like she drove a car off a bridge with someone in the passenger seat and didn’t immediately notify the police. THAT would be an even odder coincidence. ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2012, 3:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elizabeth-warren-is-running-for-the-senate/596250/197 "2012-06-16T15:46:04Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > she’s doing thing the MA way. And for Pete’s sake, it’s such a terrible way! Why, just look at the divorce rate among the godless gay-marrying heathens there! Oh, wait; it’s [the lowest in the nation, after D.C.](http://www.divorcemag.com/statistics/statsUS.shtml) Um, well, but just look at the terrible joblessness among those damned job-destroying socialist liberals! Oh, wait; it’s got a 6[.0 percent unemployment rate.](http://www.bls.gov/eag/eag.ma.htm) But, but, but… universal health coverage under the MA model will bankrupt everyone! Oh, wait; health insurance cost increases have been [declining sharply](http://articles.boston.com/2012-05-01/business/31492131_1_health-insurance-rate-increases-hospitals-and-doctors-groups). Hell, we’ve even got the [fourth-lowest rate of obesity](http://healthyamericans.org/reports/obesity2010/release.php?stateid=MA) in the whole damned country. Yeh, that “MA way” sure is a helluva flop, huh? ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2012, 3:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elizabeth-warren-is-running-for-the-senate/596250/198 "2012-06-16T15:47:43Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > they were both from MA. You do know that Warren was born and raised in Oklahoma, right? ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2012, 3:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elizabeth-warren-is-running-for-the-senate/596250/199 "2012-06-16T15:55:01Z")
> [@EddyTeddyFreddy](#): > > Yeh, that “MA way” sure is a helluva flop, huh? You know…“Taxachusetts!” Hurrhurr..amirite!? ---
**Author:** ![boytyperanma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/4491bb/32.png) [@boytyperanma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/boytyperanma)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2012, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elizabeth-warren-is-running-for-the-senate/596250/200 "2012-06-16T16:59:40Z")
> [@EddyTeddyFreddy](#): > > You do know that Warren was born and raised in Oklahoma, right? Look now, **Magellan01** is trying his best to unfairly disparage Warren by connecting her to totally unrelated and in some cases made up fantasies of his, you can’t go around destroying his narrative by pointing out facts. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elizabeth-warren-is-running-for-the-senate/596250.md?page=9) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elizabeth-warren-is-running-for-the-senate/596250.md?page=11)