# Ellen Page is trans/nonbinary now, name is Elliot **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [December 1, 2020, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ellen-page-is-trans-nonbinary-now-name-is-elliot/926940 "2020-12-01T18:09:16Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 14
**Author:** ![FinsToTheLeft](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finstotheleft/32/2930_2.png) [@FinsToTheLeft](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinsToTheLeft)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2021, 1:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ellen-page-is-trans-nonbinary-now-name-is-elliot/926940/261 "2021-08-29T01:29:10Z")
Bumping the thread because I just had dinner in the same restaurant as Elliot. Low key small neighbourhood place, no entourage, appeared to be on date. He looked very happy and relaxed but everyone left them alone and didn’t bug him. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2021, 1:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ellen-page-is-trans-nonbinary-now-name-is-elliot/926940/262 "2021-08-29T01:39:45Z")
Alright. I feel properly updated. ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2021, 2:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ellen-page-is-trans-nonbinary-now-name-is-elliot/926940/263 "2021-08-29T02:18:43Z")
> [@FinsToTheLeft](#): > > He looked very happy and relaxed but everyone left them alone and didn’t bug him. I mean…how many people do you expect actually _recognized_ him? He hasn’t exactly had a high-profile lead role since _Juno_ 14 years ago–and that was of course _before_ going through a radical change of appearance. ---
**Author:** ![Enjoy\_Slurm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/enjoy_slurm/32/3937_2.png) [@Enjoy\_Slurm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enjoy_Slurm)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2021, 4:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ellen-page-is-trans-nonbinary-now-name-is-elliot/926940/264 "2021-08-29T04:12:32Z")
Maybe you missed The Umbrella Acadamy since it was on Netflix but it was a really good show. Elliot played one of the main characters but it was before he transitioned. > **[The Umbrella Academy (TV Series 2019–2023) - IMDb](https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1312171/)** > > The Umbrella Academy: Created by Steve Blackman, Jeremy Slater. With Elliot Page, Tom Hopper, David Castañeda, Emmy Raver-Lampman. A family of former child heroes, now grown apart, must reunite to continue to protect the world. ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2021, 5:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ellen-page-is-trans-nonbinary-now-name-is-elliot/926940/265 "2021-08-29T05:57:44Z")
> [@Enjoy\_Slurm](#): > > Maybe you missed The Umbrella Acadamy since it was on Netflix but it was a really good show. Nope, didn’t miss it. But an ensemble cast with a viewership that has to be a small fraction of the people who saw _Juno_. ---
**Author:** ![FinsToTheLeft](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finstotheleft/32/2930_2.png) [@FinsToTheLeft](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinsToTheLeft)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2021, 10:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ellen-page-is-trans-nonbinary-now-name-is-elliot/926940/266 "2021-08-29T10:24:34Z")
> [@Darren\_Garrison](#): > > Nope, didn’t miss it. But an ensemble cast with a viewership that has to be a small fraction of the people who saw _Juno_ . He’s either still filming or just finished filming Season 3 here in Toronto, so i wasn’t that surprised. ---
**Author:** ![epbrown](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e47774/32.png) [@epbrown](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/epbrown)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2021, 10:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ellen-page-is-trans-nonbinary-now-name-is-elliot/926940/267 "2021-08-29T10:47:11Z")
Yeah, that’s not how it works. Millions more people watch even poorly watched shows than even blockbuster movies. Nielsen wasn’t doing streaming ratings at the time, but I’d bet many more people have seen Page in Umbrella Academy than Juno, Inception, even her X-men film role as Kitty Pryde. Btw, UA3 just wrapped - Netflix posted an announcement yesterday. ---
**Author:** ![ISiddiqui](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/97f17d/32.png) [@ISiddiqui](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ISiddiqui)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2021, 7:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ellen-page-is-trans-nonbinary-now-name-is-elliot/926940/268 "2021-08-29T19:47:48Z")
And Elliot is the top billed actor on Umbrella Academy. Netflix definitely promoted his role in marketing the show. (Also he was a big part of Inception) ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2021, 8:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ellen-page-is-trans-nonbinary-now-name-is-elliot/926940/269 "2021-08-29T20:57:50Z")
So how did they handle it on the show? Did his character transition, too, or are they still giving him female makeup, costuming, etc.? ---
**Author:** ![FinsToTheLeft](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finstotheleft/32/2930_2.png) [@FinsToTheLeft](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinsToTheLeft)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2021, 9:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ellen-page-is-trans-nonbinary-now-name-is-elliot/926940/270 "2021-08-29T21:42:39Z")
They’ve been pretty tight lipped about S3, I haven’t seen any hints not just about how Vanya fits in. ---
**Author:** ![N9IWP](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/n9iwp/32/3154_2.png) [@N9IWP](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/N9IWP)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2021, 10:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ellen-page-is-trans-nonbinary-now-name-is-elliot/926940/271 "2021-08-29T22:34:20Z")
IMHO Elliot is a good enough actor to play CIS female if that is the direction they want to go, but they certainly could have Vanya be non-binary as well. Brian ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2021, 10:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ellen-page-is-trans-nonbinary-now-name-is-elliot/926940/272 "2021-08-29T22:38:59Z")
The umbrella academy is bigger than Juno was, he was also in Inception not that long ago which was way bigger than both. ---
**Author:** ![Enjoy\_Slurm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/enjoy_slurm/32/3937_2.png) [@Enjoy\_Slurm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enjoy_Slurm)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2021, 4:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ellen-page-is-trans-nonbinary-now-name-is-elliot/926940/273 "2021-08-30T04:22:41Z")
> [@epbrown](#): > > Btw, UA3 just wrapped - Netflix posted an announcement yesterday. That’s good to know. In the comics The Sparrow Acadamy doesn’t come in until the end of UA3: Hotel Oblivion, so it’ll be interesting to see where the TV show goes since they are starting out with The Sparrow Acadamy, Unless of course more time travel is involved and then anything goes. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2021, 7:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ellen-page-is-trans-nonbinary-now-name-is-elliot/926940/274 "2021-08-31T07:49:13Z")
> [@FinsToTheLeft](#): > > He’s either still filming or just finished filming Season 3 here in Toronto, so i wasn’t that surprised. Filming has just wrapped on S3, according to the various cast members. ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2022, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ellen-page-is-trans-nonbinary-now-name-is-elliot/926940/275 "2022-03-30T17:16:29Z")
> [@N9IWP](#): > > Curious what this means for season 3 of Umbrella Academy (IMDB has already updated Elliot’s new name in the credits, and pronouns in his biography as far as I can tell) > **[Elliot Page Returns to Umbrella Academy as Viktor Hargreeves](https://gizmodo.com/umbrella-academy-season-3-elliot-page-viktor-hargreeves-1848725548)** > > Elliot Page has released the first look at their character Viktor Hargreeves in the upcoming third season of Netflix's Umbrella Academy. It's the first season of the show after Page's own coming out as transgender in 2020. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2022, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ellen-page-is-trans-nonbinary-now-name-is-elliot/926940/276 "2022-03-30T17:28:44Z")
He made the scene at the Oscars: > **[Elliot Page says wearing his Oscars 2022 tux was pure ‘trans joy’](https://pagesix.com/2022/03/30/elliot-page-says-wearing-his-oscars-2022-tux-was-pure-trans-joy/)** > > The “Juno” actor presented Best Original Screenplay at Sunday’s Academy Awards, saying “it’s really cool to see yourself for the first time.” ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2022, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ellen-page-is-trans-nonbinary-now-name-is-elliot/926940/277 "2022-03-30T17:58:34Z")
Wow, that’s fantastic - I was really worried they’d either drop Page or make him wear drag to maintain the character as female but this seems like a very good solution. I hope Page can reach a place where he is comfortable viewing his work from before his transition. As a very public transman I can’t help but wonder how big an issue that is for him. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2022, 10:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ellen-page-is-trans-nonbinary-now-name-is-elliot/926940/278 "2022-03-31T10:02:00Z")
One person I saw online is conjecturing that this won’t be the same character having transitioned, but the same character from the alternate universe. ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2022, 10:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ellen-page-is-trans-nonbinary-now-name-is-elliot/926940/279 "2022-03-31T10:50:13Z")
And… so what? If it works in the narrative it works. ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2022, 12:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ellen-page-is-trans-nonbinary-now-name-is-elliot/926940/280 "2022-03-31T12:56:35Z")
Netflix already confirmed that it’s not the case and Elliott’s character comes out as transgender. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ellen-page-is-trans-nonbinary-now-name-is-elliot/926940.md?page=13) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ellen-page-is-trans-nonbinary-now-name-is-elliot/926940.md?page=15)