# Elseworlds: CW Arrowverse crossover event 2018 **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [October 16, 2018, 11:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elseworlds-cw-arrowverse-crossover-event-2018/823075 "2018-10-16T23:54:16Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2018, 3:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elseworlds-cw-arrowverse-crossover-event-2018/823075/41 "2018-12-11T03:16:43Z")
> [@Andy\_L](#): > > Lots of fun stuff tonight, but my favorites were > > Barry Allen from Earth-(19)90 ‘Jay?’ ‘No.’ ‘Dad?’ ‘…No.’ [beat] ‘Oh, hey, John.’ ---
**Author:** ![Andy\_L](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c67d28/32.png) [@Andy\_L](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Andy_L)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2018, 3:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elseworlds-cw-arrowverse-crossover-event-2018/823075/42 "2018-12-11T03:17:43Z")
> [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](#): > > ‘Jay?’ > ‘No.’ > ‘Dad?’ > ‘…No.’ > > [beat] > > ‘Oh, hey, John.’ “Where’s your ring?” ---
**Author:** ![Terminus\_Est](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terminus_est/32/3087_2.png) [@Terminus\_Est](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terminus_Est)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2018, 3:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elseworlds-cw-arrowverse-crossover-event-2018/823075/43 "2018-12-11T03:23:31Z")
> [@Andy\_L](#): > > “Where’s your ring?” I just got this. John [del]Diggle[/del]Stewart! ---
**Author:** ![Terminus\_Est](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terminus_est/32/3087_2.png) [@Terminus\_Est](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terminus_Est)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2018, 4:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elseworlds-cw-arrowverse-crossover-event-2018/823075/44 "2018-12-11T04:15:20Z")
Meanwhile, over on _Legends_: Gideon: You missed calls from Barry Allen, Oliver Queen, and Kara Zor-El. Ray: Sounds like the annual crossover. Nate: Hard pass. ---
**Author:** ![E-DUB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/e-dub/32/403_2.png) [@E-DUB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-DUB)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2018, 5:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elseworlds-cw-arrowverse-crossover-event-2018/823075/45 "2018-12-11T05:12:14Z")
Hey, they lost a guy last time. ---
**Author:** ![Kamino\_Neko](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kamino_neko/32/34_2.png) [@Kamino\_Neko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kamino_Neko)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2018, 7:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elseworlds-cw-arrowverse-crossover-event-2018/823075/46 "2018-12-11T07:02:05Z")
> [@Terminus\_Est](#): > > The best one for me was “M. Guggenheim” locked up in Arkham Asylum. OTOH, Penguin (the first name we saw) being in Arkham is one of my pet peeves. (It’s an ASYLUM, people. Yes, one where they send criminals, but it’s for the legally insane. Penguin belongs in Blackgate.) OTOOH… The only identifiable inmate we saw was Psycho Pirate, who was a cute choice in this context. Random thoughts… In the comics, Doctor Destiny’s tool is usually a Dreamstone, rather than a book. As of the late 80s, it’s the actual Dreamstone of Dream of the Endless. But a book is still a tool of one of the Endless - the eldest, Destiny. Sneaky bastards. (Noteably, Destiny was the only Endless not created by Gaiman.) The writing in the Book of Destiny is the same as the time language that Nora uses (and Barry found in the Speed Force, and apparently that Thawne uses). … On that note, where the heck IS Nora? I see no reason that swapping Ollie and Barry would have changed her history, when nothing other than their appearances was different before they woke up. The Monitor shares his surname with [the first Monitor to become Mandrakk](https://dc.wikia.com/wiki/Monitor_Dax_Novu), although he seems to be more of a warped version of [the original Monitor](https://dc.wikia.com/wiki/Monitor_(Pre-Crisis)). ‘X-ray vision. And you do have a lot of tattoos.’ Kara, what would Alex, and Eliza, and Clark think if they knew you did that sort of thing with your x-ray vision?! The actor playing Doctor Deegan is the same one who played Ritchie on Constantine (would have noted it after yesterday’s, but I dismissed the idea and didn’t bother looking him up until this one). ---
**Author:** ![Kamino\_Neko](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kamino_neko/32/34_2.png) [@Kamino\_Neko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kamino_Neko)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2018, 11:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elseworlds-cw-arrowverse-crossover-event-2018/823075/47 "2018-12-11T11:22:50Z")
Just rewatched the Flash episode and something struck me that didn’t the first time. When Amazo copies powers, the users symbols show up on his chest, briefly. Which is weird and bugged me from the start, but, whatever. I’m watching a superhero show, I’m willing to put some logic to the side for looking cool. But…he even does it when he leaches Ralph and Frost, neither of whom have symbols… ---
**Author:** ![Terminus\_Est](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terminus_est/32/3087_2.png) [@Terminus\_Est](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terminus_Est)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2018, 12:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elseworlds-cw-arrowverse-crossover-event-2018/823075/48 "2018-12-11T12:13:23Z")
> [@Kamino\_Neko](#): > > But…he even does it when he leaches Ralph and Frost, neither of whom have symbols… Killer Frost does have a symbol. She wears it as a belt buckle, or rather wore it back when she still had that light blue jacket. Elongated Man has a symbol in the comics, but the TV show hasn’t shown it yet. ---
**Author:** ![Terminus\_Est](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terminus_est/32/3087_2.png) [@Terminus\_Est](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terminus_Est)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2018, 2:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elseworlds-cw-arrowverse-crossover-event-2018/823075/49 "2018-12-11T14:21:01Z")
[From Marc Guggenheim’s Twitter](https://twitter.com/mguggenheim/status/1072009867064299520): The sketch that led our superheroes to Gotham City was by Jim Lee. ---
**Author:** ![Kamino\_Neko](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kamino_neko/32/34_2.png) [@Kamino\_Neko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kamino_Neko)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2018, 2:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elseworlds-cw-arrowverse-crossover-event-2018/823075/50 "2018-12-11T14:27:56Z")
It’s weird how much better Lee’s art looks when it’s not coloured. ---
**Author:** ![amarinth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3be4f8/32.png) [@amarinth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/amarinth)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2018, 7:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elseworlds-cw-arrowverse-crossover-event-2018/823075/51 "2018-12-11T19:58:28Z")
On the character stuff - I have no idea what’s going on with Oliver & Felicity (I don’t watch Arrow). But it’s not like Iris knew immediately that Barry wasn’t Barry. She didn’t figure it out until well after she’d drugged him - and that was after having spoken to Oliver, cooked breakfast for Oliver, and made out with Oliver. All Felicity did was pass her “husband” in the hallway and exchanged fewer than 10 words with him. They were really not being fair to her. So, Batman exists in both worlds? Also, is there any real difference between Oliver Queen & Bruce Wayne? Because they seem to have remarkably similar backstories & MOs. ---
**Author:** ![Yodalicious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yodalicious/32/8195_2.png) [@Yodalicious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yodalicious)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2018, 2:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elseworlds-cw-arrowverse-crossover-event-2018/823075/52 "2018-12-12T02:29:14Z")
Supergirl just ended 30 minutes ago in the east, so I’ll use a spoiler box Title card at the very end - “Coming Fall 2019 - Crisis on Infinite Earths” :eek:😃 ---
**Author:** ![D\_Odds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/d_odds/32/2882_2.png) [@D\_Odds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Odds)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2018, 2:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elseworlds-cw-arrowverse-crossover-event-2018/823075/53 "2018-12-12T02:43:56Z")
> [@amarinth](#): > > On the character stuff - > I have no idea what’s going on with Oliver & Felicity (I don’t watch Arrow). But it’s not like Iris knew immediately that Barry wasn’t Barry. She didn’t figure it out until well after she’d drugged him - and that was after having spoken to Oliver, cooked breakfast for Oliver, and made out with Oliver. All Felicity did was pass her “husband” in the hallway and exchanged fewer than 10 words with him. > They were really not being fair to her. > > So, Batman exists in both worlds? > Also, is there any real difference between Oliver Queen & Bruce Wayne? Because they seem to have remarkably similar backstories & MOs. Green Arrow has been a stand-in for Batman both in the CW-verse and previously in Smallville. There are tons of similarities BUT the personality/motivation is (was?) very different in the comics. While I watch and like _Arrow_, it really is just a Batman series. I’d really like a Green Arrow series. ---
**Author:** ![Andy\_L](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c67d28/32.png) [@Andy\_L](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Andy_L)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2018, 2:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elseworlds-cw-arrowverse-crossover-event-2018/823075/54 "2018-12-12T02:50:40Z")
What did Lois use to such good effect when she, Jon, and Brainy arrived? ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2018, 2:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elseworlds-cw-arrowverse-crossover-event-2018/823075/55 "2018-12-12T02:53:13Z")
Thor’s hammer? ---
**Author:** ![Andy\_L](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c67d28/32.png) [@Andy\_L](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Andy_L)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2018, 2:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elseworlds-cw-arrowverse-crossover-event-2018/823075/56 "2018-12-12T02:54:39Z")
> [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](#): > > Thor’s hammer? That’s what it looked like but it couldn’t be, right? ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2018, 3:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elseworlds-cw-arrowverse-crossover-event-2018/823075/57 "2018-12-12T03:00:16Z")
[/Wryly Gives A Knowing Grin Like The Last Son Of Krypton Would] ---
**Author:** ![Terminus\_Est](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terminus_est/32/3087_2.png) [@Terminus\_Est](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terminus_Est)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2018, 4:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elseworlds-cw-arrowverse-crossover-event-2018/823075/58 "2018-12-12T04:08:49Z")
> [@Yodalicious](#): > > Supergirl just ended 30 minutes ago in the east, so I’ll use a spoiler box > > Title card at the very end - “Coming Fall 2019 - Crisis on Infinite Earths” > > :eek:😃 They’ve been teasing this all throughout the crossover. I didn’t think they’d actually come out and announce it like that. So the stated goal of this crossover not including the Legends (except for Gary, who apparently is still Gary whatever the reality) was to give more time for the Big Three to interact. I feel like the first two parts accomplished that. This last part had less of that, and was more Supergirl-focused despite being set mostly in Central City. Less interaction makes sense since you want to turn your attention to taking down the Big Bad. I like that they found a way to include Brainy and J’onn. You just know Lois was the one who got them to come over. With Lois and Clark going off-planet, _Supergirl_ isn’t going to have to dance around the question of where Superman is all the time. Now are John Deegan and Psycho Pirate going to be mainly Batwoman villains? ---
**Author:** ![amarinth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3be4f8/32.png) [@amarinth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/amarinth)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2018, 6:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elseworlds-cw-arrowverse-crossover-event-2018/823075/59 "2018-12-12T06:28:17Z")
Somehow, the Supergirl episode ended up being about Barry & Oliver. ---
**Author:** ![Kamino\_Neko](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kamino_neko/32/34_2.png) [@Kamino\_Neko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kamino_Neko)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2018, 6:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elseworlds-cw-arrowverse-crossover-event-2018/823075/60 "2018-12-12T06:55:52Z")
> [@Andy\_L](#): > > What did Lois use to such good effect when she, Jon, and Brainy arrived? Probably one of Steel’s hammers. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elseworlds-cw-arrowverse-crossover-event-2018/823075.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elseworlds-cw-arrowverse-crossover-event-2018/823075.md?page=4)