# Elucidator, Lobohan, thanks a bunch. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 2, 2009, 12:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elucidator-lobohan-thanks-a-bunch/487938 "2009-03-02T00:20:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2009, 11:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elucidator-lobohan-thanks-a-bunch/487938/81 "2009-03-02T23:58:42Z")
STFU! Don’t be getting all reasonable all the sudden and stop people from getting their freak on. ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2009, 12:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elucidator-lobohan-thanks-a-bunch/487938/82 "2009-03-03T00:00:06Z")
Well, i guess at least, in the future, if you act like a jackass, all someone has to do in order to get an apology is wait for you to act like a hypocrite as well. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2009, 12:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elucidator-lobohan-thanks-a-bunch/487938/83 "2009-03-03T00:03:39Z")
> [@Scylla](#): > > It was snarky and unnecessary and I regret the unprovoked attack. I apologize. But only after you got caught with your dick in the peanut butter. ---
**Author:** ![Scylla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a5b964/32.png) [@Scylla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scylla)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2009, 12:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elucidator-lobohan-thanks-a-bunch/487938/84 "2009-03-03T00:15:18Z")
> [@mhendo](#): > > Well, i guess at least, in the future, if you act like a jackass, all someone has to do in order to get an apology is wait for you to act like a hypocrite as well. It’s fortunate for me that I have you cataloguing all my errors in order to present them to me at the appropriate time. Creepy, but fortunate. Since you think it was a jackass thing to do, that makes you on my side in this thread, doesn’t it? ---
**Author:** ![lissener](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lissener/32/6139_2.png) [@lissener](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lissener)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2009, 12:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elucidator-lobohan-thanks-a-bunch/487938/85 "2009-03-03T00:30:44Z")
> [@mhendo](#): > > Well, i guess at least, in the future, if you act like a jackass, all someone has to do in order to get an apology is wait for you to act like a hypocrite as well. Thread winner. ---
**Author:** ![Scylla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a5b964/32.png) [@Scylla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scylla)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2009, 12:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elucidator-lobohan-thanks-a-bunch/487938/86 "2009-03-03T00:49:17Z")
> [@lissener](#): > > Awesome. My first interaction with Scylla was him telling me that “queer” had become a perfectly acceptable synonym for gay, no matter who said it or what the context. Then there was his stunning racism-justifying thread about “green” people, truly a classic. You should tell them about our last interraction. You were getting pitted… again. About being a film snob or something. I’m not a fan of the massive pile-on. There’s a disproportionate number of people here who seem to live for them though. They rarely say anything of any importance or worth. Their main purpose here is simply to take part in a pile-on, to egg it on, so they can get some cheap shots in safely. You’re familiar with the type. Anyway, I came into the thread and mentioned that you’d turned me onto Verhoven and posted my opinion on the elements he uses in his film. Once an actual discussion broke out the assholes went away and the pile on stopped. Though I didn’t think you deserved it there, I didn’t do it for you. I hate the pile-ons. I hate it when it happens to **bricker** **liberal** **Shodan** you or anybody else. I hate it even when it is “deserved.” Cause really that’s just an excuse. So, you have a choice. You can join in the pile on as you’re doing now giving proof to Auden’s words: “I and the public know What all schoolchildren learn, Those to whom evil is done Do evil in return.” Doubtless, it will be your turn in the barrel again before too long. Or, you could chose an alternative behavior. ---
**Author:** ![lissener](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lissener/32/6139_2.png) [@lissener](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lissener)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2009, 12:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elucidator-lobohan-thanks-a-bunch/487938/87 "2009-03-03T00:56:58Z")
Dude. Go outside. ---
**Author:** ![Scylla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a5b964/32.png) [@Scylla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scylla)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2009, 1:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elucidator-lobohan-thanks-a-bunch/487938/88 "2009-03-03T01:00:01Z")
Here it is: [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=10247254&highlight=veerhoven#post10247254](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=10247254&highlight=veerhoven#post10247254) Starting at post 56, ---
**Author:** ![Scylla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a5b964/32.png) [@Scylla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scylla)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2009, 1:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elucidator-lobohan-thanks-a-bunch/487938/89 "2009-03-03T01:01:04Z")
> [@lissener](#): > > Dude. Go outside. No way. I know that’s you behind the tree. ---
**Author:** ![askeptic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/eb9ed0/32.png) [@askeptic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/askeptic)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2009, 1:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elucidator-lobohan-thanks-a-bunch/487938/90 "2009-03-03T01:01:29Z")
they should have learned not to throw stones when living in glass houses… ---
**Author:** ![Half\_Man\_Half\_Wit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/half_man_half_wit/32/21766_2.png) [@Half\_Man\_Half\_Wit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Half_Man_Half_Wit)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2009, 1:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elucidator-lobohan-thanks-a-bunch/487938/91 "2009-03-03T01:01:42Z")
> [@mhendo](#): > > Yeah, it certainly helps to have a username that is not an actual word. > > And if you’re name is **Liberal** , just forget it. 🙂 Yeah, or try having an username with two three letter words the search engine ignores, and ‘half’. > [@lissener](#): > > Quotes not necessary unless your name includes a space. The quotes – they do nothing! At least not that I could see. Well, just now they gave me one of those memory allocation errors that are apparently so in vogue these days, and a 300 sec waiting period, so I guess that’s not technically nothing. ---
**Author:** ![lissener](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lissener/32/6139_2.png) [@lissener](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lissener)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2009, 1:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elucidator-lobohan-thanks-a-bunch/487938/92 "2009-03-03T01:06:41Z")
Scylla, you are a hypocritical, thin-skinned \*baby \*. . . who happened, after hearing about him for, what, 8 or 9 years in these forums–championed by others than myself, BTW–to give a Dutch film director an honest shot with an open mind, and found that his supporters–of whom there are many–may just have something. How does that mean that \*one \*of his fans owes you a blowjob or something? Your allowing yourself to appreciate an artist who has nothing to do with me on his own merits is your own gift to yourself; one of those things referred to as “its own reward.” What the FUCK does it have to do with me? And how do I owe you a blind eye on all your future transgressions just because you came to agree with, for example, **Cervaise** ’s opinion of the value of Verhoeven’s work? Now, you want to send me some cash, we can talk blind eyes . . . everyone has his price. Otherwise, when you’re a jerk, you’re a jerk, although now you’re a Verhoeven-appreciating jerk. If that makes you feel better. ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2009, 1:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elucidator-lobohan-thanks-a-bunch/487938/93 "2009-03-03T01:10:42Z")
> [@lissener](#): > > Scylla, you are a hypocritical, thin-skinned \*baby \*. . . who happened, after hearing about him for, what, 8 or 9 years in these forums–championed by others than myself, BTW–you gave a Dutch film director an honest shot with an open mind, and found that his supporters–of whom there are many–may just have something. > > How does that mean that \*one \*of his fans owes you a blowjob or something? Your allowing yourself to appreciate an artist who has nothing to do with me on his own merits is your own gift to yourself; one of those things referred to as “its own reward.” > > What the FUCK does it have to do with me? And how do I owe you a blind eye on all your future transgressions just because you came to agree with, for example, **Cervaise** ’s opinion of the value of Verhoeven’s work? > > Now, you want to send me some cash, we can talk blind eyes . . . everyone has his price. Otherwise, when you’re a jerk, you’re a jerk, although now you’re a Verhoeven-appreciating jerk. If that makes you feel better. No, he’s not saying you owe him for turning him on to Verhoven. He’s saying you owe him for that time he saved you from the mob. It’s kind of like he saved you from drowning. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Devil\_s\_Grandmother](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/74df32/32.png) [@The\_Devil\_s\_Grandmother](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Devil_s_Grandmother)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2009, 1:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elucidator-lobohan-thanks-a-bunch/487938/94 "2009-03-03T01:15:40Z")
> [@BJMoose](#): > > Sorry about stealing your thunder (and believe me, I have no desire to get on the wrong side of Lucifer’s Nana!). The quip is some old Milton Berle schtick that got stuck to my hoof somewhere along the line. No worries. I just thought vanity searching was something everyone did. I thought name-dropping in a thread was done to attract the poster who might be able to answer the question. ---
**Author:** ![lissener](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lissener/32/6139_2.png) [@lissener](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lissener)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2009, 1:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elucidator-lobohan-thanks-a-bunch/487938/95 "2009-03-03T01:31:22Z")
> [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](#): > > No, he’s not saying you owe him for turning him on to Verhoven. He’s saying you owe him for that time he saved you from the mob. > > It’s kind of like he saved you from drowning. Right. That’s insane. What he’s saying is that he doesn’t respond honestly in a pit thread; he’ll support people he feels some loyalty to, but otherwise fuck’em. Sorry, Scylla, I was glad to see you finally allowed yourself to see through the bullshit surrounding Verhoeven and his work to appreciate him on his own merit, but I can’t make myself feel I owe you anything for that. I didn’t create the bullshit you had to find your way through. To the extent that I was any kind of guide in getting you through it, well then I’d have to say \*you \*owe _me_. 🆒 Not serious of course, but perhaps you see my point. Thanks for responding honestly in the thread you linked to above. I’ll respond honestly in this one. ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2009, 1:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elucidator-lobohan-thanks-a-bunch/487938/96 "2009-03-03T01:59:57Z")
> [@Scylla](#): > > It’s fortunate for me that I have you cataloguing all my errors in order to present them to me at the appropriate time. Creepy, but fortunate. I have no catalog. Don’t flatter yourself. You know how i found your indiscretion? It was really quite easy, and took virtually no time. I searched your username, and put **trihs** (from **Der Trihs** ) in the search field. I figured , if you had engaged in unprovoked attacks before, that **Der Trihs** would be a likely candidate for your wrath. As it happened, that search took me to the thread in question, although, as it turns out, it wasn’t **Der Trihs** who you pre-emptively insulted, but three other posters. The whole search took about 2 minutes, and i only undertook it in the first place because you never struck me as the sort of person who would refrain from insulting someone just because they happened to be absent. > [@Scylla](#): > > Since you think it was a jackass thing to do, that makes you on my side in this thread, doesn’t it? No, i only used the term to indicate your own feelings on the matter. If you’re interested, i actually have sympathy for your post in the _other_ thread, and i think it was unnecessary for you to apologize for it here. I don’t think there is anything especially heinous about bringing up third parties in threads where they aren’t participating. I’ve done it on occasions, both in a positive and a negative way. I have no problem with your pre-emptive calling-out of those three guys. Your only jackass behavior in this whole incident, as far as i’m concerned, is your hypocrisy over the issue. ---
**Author:** ![Scylla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a5b964/32.png) [@Scylla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scylla)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2009, 2:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elucidator-lobohan-thanks-a-bunch/487938/97 "2009-03-03T02:11:03Z")
> [@lissener](#): > > Right. > > That’s insane. > > What he’s saying is that he doesn’t respond honestly in a pit thread; he’ll support people he feels some loyalty to, but otherwise fuck’em. No. That was honest in that other thread. > [@](#): > > Sorry, Scylla, I was glad to see you finally allowed yourself to see through the bullshit surrounding Verhoeven and his work to appreciate him on his own merit, but I can’t make myself feel I owe you anything for that. I didn’t create the bullshit you had to find your way through. To the extent that I was any kind of guide in getting you through it, well then I’d have to say \*you \*owe _me_. 🆒 > > Not serious of course, but perhaps you see my point. Of course. I think you’re missing mine. There’s a group here, that pretty much lives for the snark, the meltdown. It’s fun for them, and they get something out of it. I don’t like it. When they went after you, I could have ignored it. Or, I could have chosen from the many negative interactions we’ve had and fed it, and indulged any ill feelings I had for you. Or, I could deny the trainwreck crowd their fun by engaging you in a positive way. I chose to be positive there. You had similar choices here, but chose differently. > [@](#): > > Thanks for responding honestly in the thread you linked to above. I’ll respond honestly in this one. Fair enough. ---
**Author:** ![Scylla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a5b964/32.png) [@Scylla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scylla)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2009, 2:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elucidator-lobohan-thanks-a-bunch/487938/98 "2009-03-03T02:16:20Z")
> [@mhendo](#): > > Your only jackass behavior in this whole incident, as far as i’m concerned, is your hypocrisy over the issue. Hypocrisy isn’t such a big deal for me. At some point or another I’ve done most of the things I despise in others. It really has no bearing on whether those things are right or wrong themselves. ---
**Author:** ![DianaG](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/7ab992/32.png) [@DianaG](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DianaG)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2009, 2:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elucidator-lobohan-thanks-a-bunch/487938/99 "2009-03-03T02:16:28Z")
Dude, you’re like… a fucking \*hero \*or something. ---
**Author:** ![imthjckaz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/imthjckaz/32/3223_2.png) [@imthjckaz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/imthjckaz)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2009, 2:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elucidator-lobohan-thanks-a-bunch/487938/100 "2009-03-03T02:34:15Z")
You guys throw around the word jackass like it’s a bad thing. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elucidator-lobohan-thanks-a-bunch/487938.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elucidator-lobohan-thanks-a-bunch/487938.md?page=6)