# elucidator **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 28, 2005, 12:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elucidator/328230 "2005-10-28T00:41:29Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2005, 7:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elucidator/328230/81 "2005-10-29T19:06:59Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > …rather than straightforwardly concede the argument… Hmmm. These arguments you speak of, these crystalline paragons of argumentative perfection… which I have stubbornly refused to concede to though entirely and completely bested… They wouldn’t, by any chance, be arguments advanced by you, would they? ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2005, 7:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elucidator/328230/82 "2005-10-29T19:49:01Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Hmmm. These arguments you speak of, these crystalline paragons of argumentative perfection… which I have stubbornly refused to concede to though entirely and completely bested… > > They wouldn’t, by any chance, be arguments advanced by you, would they? No, he was thinking of **Starving Artist.** 😉 ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2005, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elucidator/328230/83 "2005-10-29T20:03:07Z")
> [@Spavined Gelding](#): > > …on this piece of fluff … Hey, c’mon, **Spav**! I’m being _Pitted_ here, and savagely! ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2005, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elucidator/328230/84 "2005-10-29T20:21:30Z")
> [@EddyTeddyFreddy](#): > > No, he was thinking of **Starving Artist.** 😉 Oh, Hell, no! Watching **SA** argue is like watching Stevie Wonder play tennis. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2005, 9:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elucidator/328230/85 "2005-10-29T21:06:49Z")
😃😃😃😃😃 I gotta love ya, **luci**! ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2005, 9:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elucidator/328230/86 "2005-10-29T21:42:02Z")
See what I mean, **lonesome loser**? ( **luci** hates when I talk like that, btw.) 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2005, 12:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elucidator/328230/87 "2005-10-30T00:13:27Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Hmmm. These arguments you speak of, these crystalline paragons of argumentative perfection… which I have stubbornly refused to concede to though entirely and completely bested… > > They wouldn’t, by any chance, be arguments advanced by you, would they? Yeah, amazingly, my razor-sharp intellect has been the only one I’ve ever seen pierce your armor. I know, I know… shocking. Actually, you have shown yourself impervious to concession no matter WHO has offered a better argument, **'luc**. ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2005, 12:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elucidator/328230/88 "2005-10-30T00:43:36Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Oh, Hell, no! Watching **SA** argue is like watching Stevie Wonder play tennis. Excepting that one suspects Stevie would know when he’s not hitting the balls. ---
**Author:** ![duffer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/duffer/32/1026_2.png) [@duffer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/duffer)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2005, 12:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elucidator/328230/89 "2005-10-30T00:49:42Z")
> [@Hentor the Barbarian](#): > > Excepting that one suspects Stevie would know when he’s not hitting the balls. Pot, kettle, kettle, po…ah who are we trying to kid. This from the anti-duffer. You’re as much a hack as I. You’re not going to win against **Bricker**. It’s like putting me up against **Tomndeb**. Though I don’t have the immunity of being a Moderator handing out cheap shots. When I want to insult someone I need to be wary of picking up a warning. ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2005, 5:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elucidator/328230/90 "2005-10-30T05:01:04Z")
> [@duffer](#): > > Pot, kettle, kettle, po…ah who are we trying to kid. This from the anti-duffer. You’re as much a hack as I. You’re not going to win against **Bricker**. It’s like putting me up against **Tomndeb**. Though I don’t have the immunity of being a Moderator handing out cheap shots. When I want to insult someone I need to be wary of picking up a warning. I’m not going to win against **Bricker**? What the fuck does **Bricker** have to do with any of this? What the fuck do you have to do with this? What the fuck does **tomndebb** have to do with this? Is this a whoosh? A huge non-sequitur? A post you meant for another thread? But I must say that I’m honored that you, **duffer** , regard me as an equal. All you other folks out there, keep reaching for the stars. One day, who knows? ---
**Author:** ![Ukulele\_Ike](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/df788c/32.png) [@Ukulele\_Ike](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ukulele_Ike)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2005, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elucidator/328230/91 "2005-10-30T18:50:41Z")
> [@duffer](#): > > Though I don’t have the immunity of being a Moderator handing out cheap shots. When I want to insult someone I need to be wary of picking up a warning. Oh, excuse me. {moderator hat off} I consider you a slightly irritating bonehead. As we are posting in the Pit, I am free to make this statement. {moderator hat on} Better? ---
**Author:** ![Bob\_Loblaw\_1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/4af34b/32.png) [@Bob\_Loblaw\_1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bob_Loblaw_1)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2005, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elucidator/328230/92 "2005-10-30T20:00:16Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Yeah, amazingly, my razor-sharp intellect has been the only one I’ve ever seen pierce your armor. I know, I know… shocking. > > Actually, you have shown yourself impervious to concession no matter WHO has offered a better argument, **'luc**. And can you offer the opinion of someone whose mind was changed to back this up, or are you always a self-proclaimed judge of your own cause? Care to offer an example? You have a pretty grandiose opinion of yourself. In this thread it looks to me like the usual suspects who claim to be conservatives getting together and beating up on someone who even they admit writes well. Real conservatives are over in Iraq fighting for their President’s cause. They are taking people with skills, such as dental and law, up to age 70. Conservatives who don’t at least march down to the local recruiter’s office and apply are just cowards. All this thread is about is a bunch of cowards who can’t stand it when someone contradicts them so the bully people. Hey, fuck 'em if the can’t take a joke. ---
**Author:** ![Zoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/a4c791/32.png) [@Zoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zoe)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2005, 11:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elucidator/328230/93 "2005-10-30T23:40:15Z")
> [@](#): > > **treis** : > …sick of you constantly shitting…and fucking…and scream about it…biggest hack… you and other dingbats…retarded…throwing feces everywhere… “What a swell party this is…” – Cole Porter (exists wearing a grin and a raincoat) ---
**Author:** ![wring](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/838e76/32.png) [@wring](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wring)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2005, 11:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elucidator/328230/94 "2005-10-30T23:58:21Z")
> [@Zoe](#): > > (\*\*exists \*\*wearing a grin and a raincoat) (emphasis added) 😃 ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2005, 12:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elucidator/328230/95 "2005-10-31T00:12:29Z")
I grin, therefore I am. ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2005, 12:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elucidator/328230/96 "2005-10-31T00:43:13Z")
> [@Zoe](#): > > (exists wearing a grin and a raincoat) And under the raincoat…? :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2005, 1:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elucidator/328230/97 "2005-10-31T01:00:43Z")
Another grin. ---
**Author:** ![Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f475e1/32.png) [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jimmy_Chitwood)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2005, 1:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elucidator/328230/98 "2005-10-31T01:10:25Z")
Grin and bare it. ---
**Author:** ![rayh](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e79b87/32.png) [@rayh](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rayh)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2005, 1:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elucidator/328230/99 "2005-10-31T01:19:47Z")
NOT THE ONE by Al Stewart From MODERN TIMES _Copyrighted material removed_ ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2005, 1:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elucidator/328230/100 "2005-10-31T01:47:34Z")
> [@Bob Loblaw](#): > > > [@Bricker](#): > > > > Yeah, amazingly, my razor-sharp intellect has been the only one I’ve ever seen pierce your armor. I know, I know… shocking. > > > > Actually, you have shown yourself impervious to concession no matter WHO has offered a better argument, 'luc. > > And can you offer the opinion of someone whose mind was changed to back this up, or are you always a self-proclaimed judge of your own cause? Care to offer an example? You have a pretty grandiose opinion of yourself. Um… My comment concerning my own razor-sharp intellect was sarcastic, genius, not literal. My own limited argumentative skills aside, I’d say it’s instructive that on a board filled with mazy, many sharp people, of whom many have argued with **elucidator** , not _one_ instance of elucidator conceding error can be found. It’s not a grandiose opinion of myself – it’s a comment on the law of averages. And to offer up an example of people who have had their minds changed – **Left Hand of Dorkness** , a liberal, and me, a conservative, have both admitted being on the wrong side of arguments and swayed by the presentation of the opposition in the past. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elucidator/328230.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elucidator/328230.md?page=6)