# ElvisL1ves Speaks From the Ass **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 5, 2004, 3:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elvisl1ves-speaks-from-the-ass/263215 "2004-09-05T15:11:10Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![milroyj](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a88e57/32.png) [@milroyj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/milroyj)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2004, 12:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elvisl1ves-speaks-from-the-ass/263215/61 "2004-09-06T00:48:56Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > No, he can’t. All the primary cites he can find require registration. This is not the same thing as being unable to find any cite at all. Now, unless you want to accuse the half dozen posters in this thread who have verified the exsistence of the primary cite via their own registered services liars, why don’t you just shut the fuck up, already? Those who make the claim need to back it up. ---
**Author:** ![chique](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/4491bb/32.png) [@chique](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chique)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2004, 12:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elvisl1ves-speaks-from-the-ass/263215/62 "2004-09-06T00:49:37Z")
> [@milroyj](#): > > Hmm, that would fall firmly in the category of none of your damn business. Thanks for being a jerk, though. I wasn’t being I jerk. I asked a serious question. If you do have a drinking problem I hope, for your sake, that you get some help for it. If you do not have a drinking problem, then you’re just an asshole and I don’t have to excuse you for other reasons. No skin off my nose either way. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2004, 12:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elvisl1ves-speaks-from-the-ass/263215/63 "2004-09-06T00:51:42Z")
> [@milroyj](#): > > Those who make the claim need to back it up. And they have, by any reasonable standard. Of course, given the amount of distance between your thought processes and “reasonable,” it’s no surprise that you would not perceive this. ---
**Author:** ![Brutus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@Brutus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Brutus)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2004, 12:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elvisl1ves-speaks-from-the-ass/263215/64 "2004-09-06T00:51:51Z")
> [@samclem](#): > > …This is a lie. If you go to that link, and read page 3, post # 129, you will see what I’ve already explained once in this here cotton pickin’ thread. Post #129 (Now on page 4, by some mystery of the Netherworlds) > [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > **milroyj** : The full transcript is available from [transcripts.tv](http://transcripts.tv), but only at a price you’re not worth. [Here’s a second-hand transcript:](httpz;[//boards.charlierose.com/](https://boards.charlierose.com/) board/topic.asp?ti=6858&pg=11 ) > > > [@](#): > > > > "According to the transcript of the March 18, 2003 Good Morning America show (note that [transcripts.tv](http://transcripts.tv) is linked to from the bottom of the Good Morning America homepage): > > > > DIANE SAWYER, ABC NEWS: (OC) You said that, that Mrs. Bush at one point had said to the two of you, don’t watch too much TV. You may be watching too much TV. > > > > FORMER FIRST LADY BARBARA BUSH, UNITED STATES: No question. > > > > DIANE SAWYER, ABC NEWS: (OC) You do watch? > > > > FORMER FIRST LADY BARBARA BUSH, UNITED STATES: I watch none. He sits and listens and I read books, because I know perfectly well that, don’t take offense, that 90 percent of what I hear on television is supposition, when we’re talking about the news. And he’s not, not as understanding of my pettiness about that. But why should we hear about body bags, and deaths, and how many, what day it’s gonna happen, and how many this or what do you suppose? Or, I mean, it’s, it’s not relevant. So, why should I waste my beautiful mind on something like that. And watch him suffer. > > > > This part of the interview is not mentioned in the sanitized Good Morning America web page overview of the March 18, 2003 segment with the senior Bush’s. The photo below is from that page." > > It’s not at all hard to find, really. Point of contention: Please hover yon mouse cursor over the link in **ElvisL1ves** post. Please, I beg you. What URL leaps out? OK, since you didn’t do as I asked, nay!, begged, here you go: **httpz;[//boards.charlierose.com/](https://boards.charlierose.com/) board/topic.asp?ti=6858&pg=11** Let’s focus on that for a moment. Ponder the nature of that URL. Is there a typo? An error? Explainations are in order if a mistake was made. But ‘_[boards.charlierose.com](http://boards.charlierose.com)_’? What sort of fucking cocknugget will post a link to the Charlie-fucking-Rose forums for a cite? It is damned well obvious that two standards of ‘acceptable cite’ exist here. There is the (formerly) commonly-held standard that a cite should be from a broadly acceptable news source, and now we have this new standard, that as long as one is bashing a Bush, the Charlie Rose forums will suffice. ---
**Author:** ![black\_rabbit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/f19dbf/32.png) [@black\_rabbit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/black_rabbit)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2004, 12:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elvisl1ves-speaks-from-the-ass/263215/65 "2004-09-06T00:57:51Z")
> [@milroyj](#): > > Alternatively, why doesn’t **Elvis** , et al, post a link, available to all? Because he can’t, that’s why. Oh well. Remind me to use this one on my professors next time I don’t feel like typing up footnotes or a bibliography. “Since this is hardcopy, **Prof. Milroy** , and you wouldn’t be able to click directly on any of my citations, I figured, why bother?” ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2004, 12:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elvisl1ves-speaks-from-the-ass/263215/66 "2004-09-06T00:58:48Z")
[Here’s the cite](http://www.transcripts.tv/search/do_details.cfm?ShowDetailID=20041), from “a broadly acceptable source”. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2004, 12:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elvisl1ves-speaks-from-the-ass/263215/67 "2004-09-06T00:59:09Z")
Yikes! Damn, I’m sorry people, I simply grabbed the first cite that came up on Google, and didn’t see the whole interview. Mea culpa. :smack: **milroyj** -so next time someone uses say, a book as a cite, are you going to claim it’s invalid because you can’t access it online? BTW, I am so linking to this thread the next time the **Brutus-milroyj** types\* use Free Republic as a cite. \*I didn’t want to say conservatives or Republicans, because I realize that the majority of conservatives on the SDMB are intelligent, reasonable folks, rather than Dubya’s fluffers. ---
**Author:** ![Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f475e1/32.png) [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jimmy_Chitwood)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2004, 1:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elvisl1ves-speaks-from-the-ass/263215/68 "2004-09-06T01:00:21Z")
LexisNexis allows users to email documents directly from the database. I’ve emailed a copy of the transcript directly from Nexis to **milroyj**. Glad to be of service. ---
**Author:** ![chique](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/4491bb/32.png) [@chique](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chique)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2004, 1:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elvisl1ves-speaks-from-the-ass/263215/69 "2004-09-06T01:01:35Z")
> [@Brutus](#): > > **httpz;[//boards.charlierose.com/](https://boards.charlierose.com/) board/topic.asp?ti=6858&pg=11** > > Let’s focus on that for a moment. Ponder the nature of that URL. Is there a typo? An error? Explainations are in order if a mistake was made. But ‘_[boards.charlierose.com](http://boards.charlierose.com)_’? What sort of fucking cocknugget will post a link to the Charlie-fucking-Rose forums for a cite? If you actually _clicked_ the link, you would see that it links to [underreported.com](http://underreported.com), which links to…tada!..transcripts.tv, which appears to be the official place from which one can purchase transcripts from ABC news. Your mouse isn’t broken, is it? It still clicks? ---
**Author:** ![Brutus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@Brutus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Brutus)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2004, 1:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elvisl1ves-speaks-from-the-ass/263215/70 "2004-09-06T01:11:47Z")
> [@chique](#): > > If you actually _clicked_ the link, you would see that it links to [underreported.com](http://underreported.com), which links to…tada!.. Click the link, you say? Hrmmm, a novel concept. Let me try…I get taken to a page that is titled: (seems to be a discussion regarding ‘httpz’) **Re: [Uri-review] httpz:// scheme, aliases, protocol names** But that is all besides the point. > [@](#): > > .transcripts.tv, which appears to be the official place from which one can purchase transcripts from ABC news. I can create a Geocities webpage and link to [transcripts.tv](http://transcripts.tv). No proof is evident just in the existence of a link. It looks like **Jimmy Chitwood** has taken positive measures to resolve this issues. Kudos to him for doing it. ---
**Author:** ![chique](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/4491bb/32.png) [@chique](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chique)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2004, 1:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elvisl1ves-speaks-from-the-ass/263215/71 "2004-09-06T01:29:50Z")
> [@Brutus](#): > > Click the link, you say? Hrmmm, a novel concept. Let me try…I get taken to a page that is titled: (seems to be a discussion regarding ‘httpz’) > > **Re: [Uri-review] httpz:// scheme, aliases, protocol names** Even an interent imbecile like me knows enough to clean up a crappy link > [@](#): > > I can create a Geocities webpage and link to [transcripts.tv](http://transcripts.tv). No proof is evident just in the existence of a link. Too true! Or you could go [here](http://www.abcnewsstore.com/) and read what it says under “Transcripts”. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2004, 1:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elvisl1ves-speaks-from-the-ass/263215/72 "2004-09-06T01:43:57Z")
Jesus fucking Christ, **Brutus** , just admit you were fucking wrong and quit acting like an asshole. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2004, 1:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elvisl1ves-speaks-from-the-ass/263215/73 "2004-09-06T01:51:14Z")
> [@Diogenes the Cynic](#): > > Jesus fucking Christ, **Brutus** , just admit you were fucking wrong and quit acting like an asshole. Now c’mon **Diogenes** , be fair-I don’t think **Brutus** is even capable of not being an asshole. (At least when it comes to politics) ---
**Author:** ![Brutus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@Brutus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Brutus)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2004, 1:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elvisl1ves-speaks-from-the-ass/263215/74 "2004-09-06T01:54:08Z")
> [@chique](#): > > Even an interent imbecile like me knows enough to clean up a crappy link And that I can now click my way directly to the ‘Charlie Rose’ forums is somehow better? > [@](#): > > Too true! Or you could go [here](http://www.abcnewsstore.com/) and read what it says under “Transcripts”. I don’t doubt that transcripts can indeed be purchased from the well-named ‘[transcripts.tv](http://transcripts.tv)’. What I do doubt, and will continue to doubt, is the content of said transcripts. We’ll see; **Jimmy Chitwood** ’s effort could well resolve this whole matter as far as I am concerned. But there is a valuable lesson for you folks in this whole affair: Veracity of provided cites is important, if you want people to accept your claims. While I would (and do) happily read the Opinion Journal or National Review, and accept most of what I read there, my definition of ‘cite’ has matured enough that I will not use those sites (or others) when trying to prove a point. Quite a few times I’ve had to just bite my tongue and not post something, because I couldn’t find a _broadly acceptable_ cite (CNN/BBC/ABC/etc) for what I learned at another, perhaps less-trustworthy, source. ---
**Author:** ![Frostillicus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e9bcb4/32.png) [@Frostillicus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frostillicus)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2004, 2:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elvisl1ves-speaks-from-the-ass/263215/75 "2004-09-06T02:01:05Z")
This thread has demonstrated to me why certain people are willing to believe any and every thing that comes out of George W. Bush’s mouth, but immediately dismiss anything that might cast the Bush family in a negative light. They are being guided purely by faith. Reason has long since left the building. ---
**Author:** ![chique](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/4491bb/32.png) [@chique](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chique)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2004, 2:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elvisl1ves-speaks-from-the-ass/263215/76 "2004-09-06T02:13:00Z")
> [@Brutus](#): > > But there is a valuable lesson for you folks in this whole affair: \ What a load of horseshit. **mhendo** posted concurrence of Mrs. Bush’s words more than seven freakin’ hours ago. You and **milly** got your panties in a wad because you couldn’t see it. _That’s all_. I assume that if I post something from last year’s anthropology text book or this year’s biology text I’ll get the same bullshit from you two. Idiots. I don’t blame you for disliking the words that came out of Mrs. Bush’s mouth, but attacking the people who report what she said makes the both of you look like imbeciles. ---
**Author:** ![ZombiesAteMyBrain](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/b4bc9f/32.png) [@ZombiesAteMyBrain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZombiesAteMyBrain)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2004, 2:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elvisl1ves-speaks-from-the-ass/263215/77 "2004-09-06T02:16:25Z")
> [@milroyj](#): > > **mhendo** ,Saying that you found it on Lexus/Nexis, but can’t link to it, is not a cite. Here is a cite for the Daily Telegraph article - which anyone in the UK can tell you is not the ‘liberal’ media. > **[Opinion](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/?xml=%2Fopinion%2F2003%2F04%2F15%2Fdo1503.xml)** > > The best opinions, comments and analysis from The Telegraph. you have to register to read it - but it’s free and only takes a minute. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2004, 2:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elvisl1ves-speaks-from-the-ass/263215/78 "2004-09-06T02:19:56Z")
> [@Frostillicus](#): > > This thread has demonstrated to me why certain people \ immediately dismiss anything that might cast the Bush family in a negative light. Let me see if I’ve got this straight. What you’re saying is that if someone in the Bush family is misquoted and their words are taken out of context and made to appear t be something that is not only different from what they really said, but horrifically and disgustingly so, we _still_ shouldn’t dismiss it because to do so would prove we are mindless Bush-lemmings? You are saying that it’s wrong for us to disprove untruthful things about our candidate? I’m sure you might want to rethink what you’ve said in this regard. ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2004, 3:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elvisl1ves-speaks-from-the-ass/263215/79 "2004-09-06T03:43:10Z")
> [@](#): > > If you think I should take the time to trace everything anyone says in any thread on any subject I’m about to post to, you’re quite mistaken. I definitely think that if you attempt to redirect a thread by accusing various people of having misquoted someone or having quoted them out of context (particularly when the entire context has already been posted before you post), then you should take the time to find the facts. When posting such a hijack in support of **milroyj** , it is in _your_ interest to first be sure of the facts. YMMV, obviously. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Zoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/a4c791/32.png) [@Zoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zoe)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2004, 3:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elvisl1ves-speaks-from-the-ass/263215/80 "2004-09-06T03:51:13Z")
**Starving Artist** , when you examine what Mrs. Bush said _in context_ it still connotes an indifference and insensitivity that is chilling, especially when you consider that at the time she thought that 90% of what was on television was speculation or supposition. Liberals were not the only ones who reacted that way to what was actually said. The elder George Bush commented that she was going to get them in trouble. And her comments were edited, if I understand correctly, from one of the versions that was published (or broadcast?). I don’t know if Diane Sawyer had anything to do with removing that material, but I do know that she was at one time a “West Winger” for President Nixon, serving as a press aide. (I think she may have held more than one position.) When Nixon returned to San Clemente after his resignation, she lived with the Nixons for a while helping to organize his memoirs. She was very loyal to him. I gather that she _may_ be a loyal Republican and may have wanted to protect the elder Mrs. Bush from her own comments. This is just totally speculation on my part. I have always admired both Mrs. Bush and Diane Sawyer. Neither one has ever come across before as meanspirited in my opinion and both are strong women. Mrs. Bush was speaking from a mother’s point of view. No mother wants to hear her son criticized so harshly. (I still think that no journalist should have cut it.) But there were and are other mothers whose children have put themselves in harm’s way on the fields of combat. They would be more sensitive to speculation about the dangers to their children. And whether Mrs. Bush agrees or not, the number of body bags, now officially called _transport tubes_, is presently terribly relevant to all of us. I believe that all of our beautiful minds should have to face the truth of those flag draped coffins… …And the thousands wounded in combat… …And the 6,000+ wounded in non-combat related injuries – some critically. I wonder if the Pentagon ever decided to list their names too. Anyway, **Mr. Artist** , you know that for some crazy reason you are one of my pet Republicans. 😉 Nothing I am saying is intended as a criticism of you personally. **Elvis1** , thanks for continuing to provide interesting information and documentation. The is one pitting that did not work _at all_. A nitpick for anyone interested: There really is no such thing as “a cite.” **Cite** is a verb. I am open to correction on this if I am mistaken. I continue to misuse the word **cite** myself. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elvisl1ves-speaks-from-the-ass/263215.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elvisl1ves-speaks-from-the-ass/263215.md?page=5)