# ElvisL1ves, you are a gutless chickenshit **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 26, 2008, 7:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elvisl1ves-you-are-a-gutless-chickenshit/450673 "2008-05-26T19:14:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Don\_t\_fight\_the\_hypothetical](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/59ef9b/32.png) [@Don\_t\_fight\_the\_hypothetical](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Don_t_fight_the_hypothetical)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2008, 1:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elvisl1ves-you-are-a-gutless-chickenshit/450673/21 "2008-05-27T01:03:47Z")
**Q.E.D.** , Your behavior isn’t a big deal to me one way or another. Generally I enjoy your posts. Lately I’ve just noticed a bit more snark than usual. Without dragging other threads into this just let me ask you this, serious question: In your 5th post you said > [@](#): > > “_I’ll grant you he could have been a tad more specific. But this pit thread? Lame. There’s nothing–absolutely nothing–which couldn’t have been addressed appropriately in the original GD thread_.” Why couldn’t that have been your first response instead of > [@](#): > > \*" You’re an overly sensitive idiot. He didn’t say anything about YOU, he called your facts–all of them–into question. And your response is to act like a fucking baby, “waaah, waaaah, you insulted meee. Let’s go to the Pit, instead of debating like adults! Put 'em up!” > > Give it a rest already.\*" ? ---
**Author:** ![Q.E.D](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/51bf81/32.png) [@Q.E.D](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Q.E.D)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2008, 1:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elvisl1ves-you-are-a-gutless-chickenshit/450673/22 "2008-05-27T01:05:28Z")
Hey, the OP set the tone. I’m just rolling with it. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2008, 1:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elvisl1ves-you-are-a-gutless-chickenshit/450673/23 "2008-05-27T01:07:26Z")
[QUOTE=Q.E.D.] You’re an overly sensitive idiot. He didn’t say anything about YOU, he called your facts–all of them–into question. And your response is to act like a fucking baby, “waaah, waaaah, you insulted meee. Let’s go to the Pit, instead of debating like adults! Put 'em up!” Give it a rest already. [/QUOTE] He called ALL of **RTF** ’s facts into question? Let’s see what facts **RTF** asserted in the OP: _That’s quite an assertion,_ (a) is that a fact; and (b) does anyone wish to argue that it isn’t quite an assertion? _and rather than hijack the ‘forking’ thread even further, it seemed to rate its own thread._ strikes me as more of a judgement call than a disputable fact. It certainly smacks of considerateness. _Personally, I see little evidence to support it._ A statement of opinion. **ElvisL1ves** did not see fit to offer a contrary opinion. _AFAICT, most of their dishonesties have concerned minor or personal matters,_ a judgement call again, rather than a fact. **Elvis** might have had the decency to offer what he saw as a major or public policy matter. _with possibly the biggest being the “I did not have sex with that woman, Monica Lewinsky” line of Bill’s._ It’s pretty well-supported that this was major, but on a personal matter. _If Starving Artist thinks the Clintons have lied about anything of real importance, and can give for-instances, we can compare their track record with that of other high officials._ Another factual statement, unless **Elvis** wishes to posit an argument that **SA** giving examples would somehow make debate impossible. From where I read, **ElvisL1ves** ’s response to **RTF** ’s OP was entirely a non-sequitur _vis-a-vis_ the OP itself, and was out of line. ---
**Author:** ![VarlosZ](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/d78d45/32.png) [@VarlosZ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VarlosZ)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2008, 1:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elvisl1ves-you-are-a-gutless-chickenshit/450673/24 "2008-05-27T01:14:11Z")
Wait, Post #2 ( **Q.E.D.**'s) is to be taken at face value? I assumed it was a case of sarcastically piling on **Elvis** , because if it’s not that then it’s completely fucking insane. ---
**Author:** ![Bobotheoptimist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/919ad9/32.png) [@Bobotheoptimist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bobotheoptimist)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2008, 1:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elvisl1ves-you-are-a-gutless-chickenshit/450673/25 "2008-05-27T01:15:36Z")
[QUOTE=RTFirefly] ElvisL1ves, you are a gutless chickenshit [/QUOTE] And your thread title is redundant. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2008, 1:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elvisl1ves-you-are-a-gutless-chickenshit/450673/26 "2008-05-27T01:34:33Z")
[QUOTE=Q.E.D.] What the hell, I’m bored. Let’s simplify that first post of mine for your benefit, shall we? Seems pretty specific to me. Also pretty specific. Specific again? Check. That too. See, there’s a whole bunch of stuff right there in my first post that specifically addresses the OP. [/QUOTE] Oh, I’m _so_ sorry. But now I see where I misunderstood you. You said “I gave you very specific things _to respond to_” (italics mine). That was clearly a typo. You obviously _meant_ to say, “I gave you very specific things _to have a good laugh at, and then disregard._” OK then, we’re good. 🙂 [QUOTE=Bobotheoptimist] And your thread title is redundant. [/QUOTE] My bad - I contracted it out to the Department of Redundancy Department. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Q.E.D](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/51bf81/32.png) [@Q.E.D](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Q.E.D)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2008, 1:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elvisl1ves-you-are-a-gutless-chickenshit/450673/27 "2008-05-27T01:44:14Z")
[QUOTE=RTFirefly] You obviously _meant_ to say, “I gave you very specific things _to have a good laugh at, and then disregard._” [/QUOTE] No, I didn’t mean that. If I meant that, I would have typed that. There are things there you could respond to, but you choose not to. That’s fine. No skin off my nose. ---
**Author:** ![Giraffe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/giraffe/32/129_2.png) [@Giraffe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Giraffe)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2008, 2:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elvisl1ves-you-are-a-gutless-chickenshit/450673/28 "2008-05-27T02:20:24Z")
[QUOTE=Q.E.D.] Give it a rest already. [/QUOTE] This is _excellent_ advice. I sure hope it also applies to attention whoring in the Pit. Because that would be, you know, swell. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2008, 2:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elvisl1ves-you-are-a-gutless-chickenshit/450673/29 "2008-05-27T02:24:56Z")
You know, this doesn’t happen very often, so I find it pretty remarkable. I’ve read this thread, and referred back to the other and pondered and considered… As Eugene V. Debs is my witness, I’ve got no idea what you people are pissed at each other about. ---
**Author:** ![Q.E.D](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/51bf81/32.png) [@Q.E.D](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Q.E.D)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2008, 2:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elvisl1ves-you-are-a-gutless-chickenshit/450673/30 "2008-05-27T02:28:58Z")
[QUOTE=elucidator] YAs Eugene V. Debs is my witness, I’ve got no idea what you people are pissed at each other about. [/QUOTE] Well, everyone’s pissed at ME for pointing out this thread is–as you note–pointless, in my usual charming manner. I dunno about the rest of it. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Omegaman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/e480ec/32.png) [@Omegaman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omegaman)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2008, 3:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elvisl1ves-you-are-a-gutless-chickenshit/450673/31 "2008-05-27T03:07:36Z")
[QUOTE=Q.E.D.] Well, everyone’s pissed at ME for pointing out this thread is–as you note–pointless, in my usual charming manner. I dunno about the rest of it. 😛 [/QUOTE] You are quite the charmer. Too bad they don’t make snake oil anymore. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Santo\_Rugger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e95f7d/32.png) [@Santo\_Rugger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Santo_Rugger)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2008, 3:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elvisl1ves-you-are-a-gutless-chickenshit/450673/32 "2008-05-27T03:42:20Z")
[QUOTE=Q.E.D.] Well, everyone’s pissed at ME for pointing out this thread is–as you note–pointless, in my usual charming manner. I dunno about the rest of it. 😛 [/QUOTE] Everyone’s pissed at you because you obviously haven’t been paying attention to any of the GD threads that have spawned this pitting. The bulk of **EL1** ’s arguments of late have been very snarky responses saying that he’s already presented/rebutted the information, so go look for it yourself. He’s still clinging to Clinton being more electable, even though she couldn’t even win the democratic nomination. Aside from the fact that \*\*Q.E.D \*\*is just like a dog, sticking his snout everywhere he can get it regardless of anything, **EL1** has shown in the last few weeks/months that he shares many traits with Clinton’s base of uneducated voters. I’d estimate about 20% of his posts about the current election(s) have merit, while the other 80% are there just to piss people off and remind them that Obama will need Clinton’s support in November. In short, he embodies all the characteristics that make people hate Clinton, and then takes on an elitist attitude or moronity that makes me and others grow impatient with trying to deal with him. I mean, seriously, why do we still give a fuck about the opinion of somebody who’s _still_ counting Clinton’s votes in MI but not giving _any_ credit to Obama? In short, fuck him. I’m done with the condescending bullshit facade of a debate put up by the mouthbreather. I’ll freely admit that I’m not the most sophisticated poster in GD or even on the board, but at least I’m not a dick to everybody when I can’t understand something simple. Ugh, makes me glad I’m not in high school any more, and have developed quite the sense of self control, comparatively. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2008, 4:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elvisl1ves-you-are-a-gutless-chickenshit/450673/33 "2008-05-27T04:56:22Z")
I used to think that **Elvis** was just an overly exuberant, stupid, and loyal supporter of a particular candidate. Now I’ve become convinced that he is just trolling, trying to bait for responses. Maybe once he tried to make real points in his own jerkish way, but now that his candidate is done he has come back to play the jerk, the shit-stirrer, and to troll. The consistent refusal to answer simple direct questions by claiming that he’s answered them many times before, when he has not once, and then claiming that it isn’t his job to show that he’s answered it before but our problem that we haven’t paid attention? That isn’t loyalist behavior or simple jerkdom. It is an attempt to troll, pure and simple. Now mind you sometimes it is so pathetic that it is funny but sometimes there are real subjects that he’s trolling over. Worth Pitting and giving the attention he seems to so desperately need? Probably not. If he really is a Clinton supporter at this point then I’d love it if he’d become a McCain man in the general. His support is the kind that drives turn-out for the other side! Now **Q.E.D.** I couldn’t tell from a hole in the ground, but the resemblance to a hole in the ass is striking. ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2008, 5:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elvisl1ves-you-are-a-gutless-chickenshit/450673/34 "2008-05-27T05:06:55Z")
[QUOTE=Q.E.D.] Hey, the OP set the tone. I’m just rolling with it. [/QUOTE] Shut up. ---
**Author:** ![Mosier](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7ea924/32.png) [@Mosier](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mosier)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2008, 7:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elvisl1ves-you-are-a-gutless-chickenshit/450673/35 "2008-05-27T07:41:11Z")
[QUOTE=Q.E.D.] And how am I meant to address your “topic?” Clearly, I disagree with it but any variation of “No, I’m not,” “That’s what you think” or “Oh, yeah? Prove it!” just sounds lame and defensive. _shrug_ You can’t win; I don’t bother trying. [/QUOTE] Do you realize that the argument you used here is exactly the same one RTF is using (and you are ridiculing) in the OP? He started a thread, Elvis replied with a blanket “I think you’re lying about the whole thing” statement without any sort of actual argument behind it, and that’s your idea of an appropriate GD response? You’re way out of line here. Actually, you’ve been on the wrong side in almost every discussion I’ve seen from you here lately. Are you just fucking with us? ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2008, 8:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elvisl1ves-you-are-a-gutless-chickenshit/450673/36 "2008-05-27T08:17:19Z")
When’s this fucking election going to be _over_, already? ---
**Author:** ![Merkwurdigliebe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/74df32/32.png) [@Merkwurdigliebe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merkwurdigliebe)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2008, 8:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elvisl1ves-you-are-a-gutless-chickenshit/450673/37 "2008-05-27T08:25:32Z")
Meh, I think he jumped the shark with the debate-free snark in GD where he made fun of anyone who took his OP seriously. ---
**Author:** ![Mellivora\_capensis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8797f3/32.png) [@Mellivora\_capensis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mellivora_capensis)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2008, 10:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elvisl1ves-you-are-a-gutless-chickenshit/450673/38 "2008-05-27T10:04:03Z")
[QUOTE=Bryan Ekers] When’s this fucking election going to be _over_, already? [/QUOTE] What election? ---
**Author:** ![Cicero](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cicero/32/3594_2.png) [@Cicero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cicero)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2008, 12:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elvisl1ves-you-are-a-gutless-chickenshit/450673/39 "2008-05-27T12:14:17Z")
I’m with **Elucidator**. ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2008, 12:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elvisl1ves-you-are-a-gutless-chickenshit/450673/40 "2008-05-27T12:20:37Z")
[QUOTE=Cicero] I’m with **Elucidator**. [/QUOTE] While you’re there, ask him what he thinks. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elvisl1ves-you-are-a-gutless-chickenshit/450673.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elvisl1ves-you-are-a-gutless-chickenshit/450673.md?page=3)